John likened the attitude of them who departed the church in disbelief to that of the future Antichrist. The Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Son of God.
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The TRUE Meaning Of The Little Horn Prophecy For the End
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There is no future single antichrist in 1 John 2:18. John identifies a single antichrist as hearsay ("ye have heard that antichrist shall come"), and instead describes the reality that there were already many antichrists ("even now are there many antichrists")..
The many antichrists "went out from us, but they were not of us."
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You are the one denying what you posted. The Bible states exactly what they quoted. Daniel never wrote that what Gabriel said was already fulfilled. You cannot even point to any thing they actually said that agrees with your opinion.
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No they were actual days in 171 BC when Antiochus Epiphanes set up the AoD in the Temple.
The 62 weeks ended in the middle of the first century BC. Years before Jesus was born.
The Covenant will be confirmed at the sounding of the 7th Trumpet.
No, the prophecy lasted 7 weeks, then later 62 weeks. Jesus is the 70th week, and He has not been placed as King until the 7th Trumpet sounds.
The Cross was the end of the middle of the 70th week. The 7th Trumpet is the end of the last half of the 70th week.
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Jesus said the AoD was stil future, and the AoD that Daniel spoke of pointed to the destruction of the Jews and their city/temple...which is why the prophecy says "for thy people and thy holy city".
If you start the 490 from the only decree that fulfills Daniel's prophecy - Artaxerxes' 457 B.C. decree - then the 7 and 62 end in 27 A.D. when Jesus walked out of the Jordan. The 70th immediately followed the 69th.
Isaiah, Malachi, Paul, Jesus, and Daniel all point to Jesus as the One to "confirm the covenant" while Job says Satan (and by extension, his antichrist in Rome) never makes covenants with anyone.
No, the 7 was immediately followed by the 62 with no gaps (just like all other Numerically Specific Time Prophecies) as "from the going forth of the commandment...unto Messiah the Prince" proves was an unbroken block of time on the prophetic timeline from the 457 B.C. decree to the 27 A.D "anointing" of Jesus in the Jordan.
Agreed.
Actually, based on the positions of the first six Trumpets on the prophetic timeline, the 7th Trumpet began blowing in 1844 and will continue to blow until "the Trump of God" is blown by God Himself at the Second Coming.
Trying to link those prophecies about The NEW COVENANT which Jesus offered as being the same as the Daniel 9:27 word "covenant" is completely ludicrous and reveals either one who tries to do that doesn't have much study in God's Word, or they have an agenda from the "synagogue of Satan" that hates Jesus of Nazareth.
Now we kind of know where Phoneman777 is coming from, from supporters of the false Jews...
Why do I point to that? Simple...
Lord Jesus forewarned in Matthew 24:23-26 about a SINGULAR pseudo-Christ that will come at the end of this world, and work great signs and wonders, that IF... it were possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect.
The tense of those Matthew 24:23-26 verses are in the SINGULAR TENSE, which is even why Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined the Greek word pseudochristos there in Matthew 24:24 to mean "a spurious Messiah".
The other matter which especially confirms Phoneman777's false idea that the coming Antichrist will be a Gentile, is his lying against what Lord Jesus Christ said in pointing to a the Antichrist being a pseudo-Christ, which means a 'false-Messiah'. God's Word thus declares that the coming Antichrist will... try and play The MESSIAH of The Bible.
Are we to really think then, that Phoneman777 doesn't really know the BIBLICAL REQUIREMENT for one to be MESSIAH? Who is he trying to fool? YOU... brethren in Christ, you are who he is trying to fool with his lies from the "synagogue of Satan" that come and hide here on a Christian forum!
FACTS: The Old Testament Scriptures declare many things about the identity of Messiah, that He would be born of a 'virgin', that He would come from the area Bethlehem-Judah, and even through the prophet David in Psalms 22 that He would be executed and say the very words on the cross that Jesus of Nazareth did! The prophets also declared that Messiah would be born of the TRIBE OF JUDAH OF THE HOUSE OF DAVID, even as Hebrews 7 also declares that Jesus was born of the tribe of Judah.
Notice what the 2nd century Church father Hippolytus said about the coming Antichrist for the end of this world...
6. Now, as our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also God, was prophesied of under the figure of a lion, on account of His royalty and glory, in the same way have the Scriptures also aforetime spoken of Antichrist as a lion, on account of his tyranny and violence. For the deceiver seeks to liken himself in all things to the Son of God. Christ is a lion, so Antichrist is also a lion; Christ is a king, so Antichrist is also a king. The Saviour was manifested as a lamb; so he too, in like manner, will appear as a lamb, though within he is a wolf. The Saviour came into the World in the circumcision, and he will come in the same manner. The Lord sent apostles among all the nations, and he in like manner will send false apostles. The Saviour gathered together the sheep that were scattered abroad, and he in like manner will bring together a people that is scattered abroad. The Lord gave a seal to those who believed on Him, and he will give one like manner. The Saviour appeared in the form of man, and he too will come in the form of a man. The Saviour raised up and showed His holy flesh like a temple, and he will raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem.
Bible Scripture and even the witnesses of the early Church fathers like Hippolytus, testify that the Antichrist will... be a JEW, and NOT a Gentile. And the reason is simple. It is because MESSIAH per Bible Scripture is to come from the tribe of Judah of the house of David. And the Antichrist is coming to PLAY MESSIAH in JERUSALEM for the end of this world. The Antichrist will be told to deceived Jews that he is MESSIAH, and they will believe the "synagogue of Satan" that will tell them so. But those in Christ Jesus are NOT to believe it, but instead WAIT for our TRUE MESSIAH Jesus Christ to return and destroy the Antichrist.
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Although there is a lot of truth in what you say in your OP, what you say above is exactly what you are doing with this, because you have chosen to isolate Daniel 7 from Daniel 8 and 11 which are talking about the same kingdoms and the same fourth kingdom, and interpret Daniel 7 on its own, making yourself guilty of picking-n-choosing which texts of scripture to cover, while leaving others out which affect the interpretation.
So you are 100% guilty of doing what you accuse anyone who disagrees with your interpretation of the text of doing.
Let's take a look at the three kingdoms when they are again mentioned in Daniel chapter 8:
Daniel 8:20-25
"The ram which you saw having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
And the shaggy goat is the king of Greece. And the great horn between his eyes is the first king. And as for that being broken, and four stood up in its place; four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in its power."
(The Diadochi wars which broke out after the death of Alexander he Great eventually led to the empire of Alexander the Great being divided up into four regions, with Ptolemy, Cassander, Antigonus, and Seleucis ruling over Egypt, Macedonia, Asia Minor, and Persia).
HERE ARE THE IMPORTANT VERSES THAT CANNOT BE IGNORED IN INTERPRETATION OF THE TEXT:
Daniel 8:20-25
"And in the latter time of THEIR kingdom, .."
(in the latter time of the kings of the Greek kingdom after it was divided into four parts):
"And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors have come to the full, a king, fierce of face, and skilled at intrigues, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power.
And he shall destroy marvelously, and shall prosper and work, and destroy the mighty and the holy people. And also through his understanding, he shall cause deceit to succeed in his hand. And he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many. He also shall stand up against the Ruler of rulers. But he shall be broken without a hand."
IF THERE EVER WAS A PERSON WHO FULFILLED THE ABOVE, HE IS THE TYPE OF THE ANTICHRIST - THE 8TH KING WHOSE POWER IS NOT BY HIS OWN POWER -
because the 10 kings will hand over all their power and authority to him, and the kingdom itself will receive its kingdom, power and authority from Satan (Revelation 13 & Revelation 17).
SO WAS THERE SOMEONE WHO FULFILLED THE ABOVE?
The latter time of the Greek Kingdom was WAY EARLIER than when the Roman Empire rose to power. Rome was still a republic until 31 B.C, and due to civil wars and internal conflicts, the Roman Republic had become very destabilized by 31 B.C. Octavian was only named "Augustus" in 31 B.C. The last Queen of Egypt, Cleopatra, lived from 70/69 B.C to 30 B.C, and reigned from 51 B.C to 30 B.C. It was only after her death that the formerly strong Ptolemaic Egyptian kingdom became a province of a newly formed Roman Empire.
Again, you have chosen to isolate Daniel 7 from Daniel 8 and 11 which are talking about the same kingdoms, and interpret Daniel 7 on its own, making yourself guilty of "picking-n-choosing which texts of scripture to cover, while leaving others out which affect the interpretation.
100% guilty.
Daniel 11:29-30: The Seleucid kingdom, the Ptlolemaic (Egyptian) kingdom, and the Roman republic:
In 170 B.C Antiochus IV of the Seleucid kingdom attacked Egypt, succeeded in his campaign, and installed a puppet king. Then he withdrew - but the kingdom reverted to the rule of the Ptolemaic Egyptian kings after his withdrawal.
In 168 B.C Antiochus IV attacked Egypt again, but he was forced to withdraw because the Roman republic, allied to Egypt, threatened him with war with Rome if he did not, and Rome, though it was not yet an empire, had a powerful navy at its disposal. Gaius Popillius Laenas, Roman ambassador, drew a circle around Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 168 B.C and told him to consider himself at war with Rome if he steps out of the circle before giving the ambassador a reply as to whether or not he would withdraw from Egypt. This is recorded in Daniel 11:29-30.
After he was forced to withdraw from Egypt in 168 B.C, Antiochus IV turned his attention against the Jews and Jerusalem, breathing hatred of their religion and culture. It's at this point that he defiled the temple sanctuary in Jerusalem, placing an abomination of desolation in it (Daniel 11:31-39).
In 167 BC, Antiochus IV ordered an altar to Zeus, "the king of the gods" erected in the temple in Jerusalem, and compelled Jews to dissolve the laws of Judea, to keep their infants un-circumcised, and to sacrifice swine's flesh upon the altar (see Daniel 8:11-14; Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11).
Antiochus IV Epiphanes reigned in the latter years of the four Greek kingdoms. He fulfilled what was written about the fourth kingdom - but did not complete the prophecy, because the fourth kingdom will be destroyed by Christ. It's the kingdom that had once existed, but did not exist when John received the Revelation, that John was told will ascend from the bottomless pit and go to perdition.
Its 10 kings are not "Roman" or Western. They are Middle-Eastern.
These are the four beasts being spoken of in Daniel 7, and it was way to early for the Roman Empire. Revelation 13:2 also identifies the final kingdom as the same kingdoms: lion, leopard and bear - not the Roman Empire. The legs of iron were the two kingdoms of the Greek kingdom that became the most dominant of the four kingdoms before the demise of these kingdoms - Egypt and Seleucia.
The feet of the entire image hold the image up, and no part of the image was Roman. The ten kings and the king who they will hand over all their power and authority to, will be destroyed by Christ when He returns. They are the kings of the kingdoms of the lion, the leopard and the bear.
So you are 100% guilty of doing what you accuse anyone who disagrees with your interpretation of the text of doing.
Let's take a look at the three kingdoms when they are again mentioned in Daniel chapter 8:
Daniel 8:20-25
"The ram which you saw having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
And the shaggy goat is the king of Greece. And the great horn between his eyes is the first king. And as for that being broken, and four stood up in its place; four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in its power."
(The Diadochi wars which broke out after the death of Alexander he Great eventually led to the empire of Alexander the Great being divided up into four regions, with Ptolemy, Cassander, Antigonus, and Seleucis ruling over Egypt, Macedonia, Asia Minor, and Persia).
HERE ARE THE IMPORTANT VERSES THAT CANNOT BE IGNORED IN INTERPRETATION OF THE TEXT:
Daniel 8:20-25
"And in the latter time of THEIR kingdom, .."
(in the latter time of the kings of the Greek kingdom after it was divided into four parts):
"And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors have come to the full, a king, fierce of face, and skilled at intrigues, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power.
And he shall destroy marvelously, and shall prosper and work, and destroy the mighty and the holy people. And also through his understanding, he shall cause deceit to succeed in his hand. And he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many. He also shall stand up against the Ruler of rulers. But he shall be broken without a hand."
IF THERE EVER WAS A PERSON WHO FULFILLED THE ABOVE, HE IS THE TYPE OF THE ANTICHRIST - THE 8TH KING WHOSE POWER IS NOT BY HIS OWN POWER -
because the 10 kings will hand over all their power and authority to him, and the kingdom itself will receive its kingdom, power and authority from Satan (Revelation 13 & Revelation 17).
SO WAS THERE SOMEONE WHO FULFILLED THE ABOVE?
The latter time of the Greek Kingdom was WAY EARLIER than when the Roman Empire rose to power. Rome was still a republic until 31 B.C, and due to civil wars and internal conflicts, the Roman Republic had become very destabilized by 31 B.C. Octavian was only named "Augustus" in 31 B.C. The last Queen of Egypt, Cleopatra, lived from 70/69 B.C to 30 B.C, and reigned from 51 B.C to 30 B.C. It was only after her death that the formerly strong Ptolemaic Egyptian kingdom became a province of a newly formed Roman Empire.
Again, you have chosen to isolate Daniel 7 from Daniel 8 and 11 which are talking about the same kingdoms, and interpret Daniel 7 on its own, making yourself guilty of "picking-n-choosing which texts of scripture to cover, while leaving others out which affect the interpretation.
100% guilty.
Daniel 11:29-30: The Seleucid kingdom, the Ptlolemaic (Egyptian) kingdom, and the Roman republic:
In 170 B.C Antiochus IV of the Seleucid kingdom attacked Egypt, succeeded in his campaign, and installed a puppet king. Then he withdrew - but the kingdom reverted to the rule of the Ptolemaic Egyptian kings after his withdrawal.
In 168 B.C Antiochus IV attacked Egypt again, but he was forced to withdraw because the Roman republic, allied to Egypt, threatened him with war with Rome if he did not, and Rome, though it was not yet an empire, had a powerful navy at its disposal. Gaius Popillius Laenas, Roman ambassador, drew a circle around Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 168 B.C and told him to consider himself at war with Rome if he steps out of the circle before giving the ambassador a reply as to whether or not he would withdraw from Egypt. This is recorded in Daniel 11:29-30.
After he was forced to withdraw from Egypt in 168 B.C, Antiochus IV turned his attention against the Jews and Jerusalem, breathing hatred of their religion and culture. It's at this point that he defiled the temple sanctuary in Jerusalem, placing an abomination of desolation in it (Daniel 11:31-39).
In 167 BC, Antiochus IV ordered an altar to Zeus, "the king of the gods" erected in the temple in Jerusalem, and compelled Jews to dissolve the laws of Judea, to keep their infants un-circumcised, and to sacrifice swine's flesh upon the altar (see Daniel 8:11-14; Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11).
Antiochus IV Epiphanes reigned in the latter years of the four Greek kingdoms. He fulfilled what was written about the fourth kingdom - but did not complete the prophecy, because the fourth kingdom will be destroyed by Christ. It's the kingdom that had once existed, but did not exist when John received the Revelation, that John was told will ascend from the bottomless pit and go to perdition.
Its 10 kings are not "Roman" or Western. They are Middle-Eastern.
These are the four beasts being spoken of in Daniel 7, and it was way to early for the Roman Empire. Revelation 13:2 also identifies the final kingdom as the same kingdoms: lion, leopard and bear - not the Roman Empire. The legs of iron were the two kingdoms of the Greek kingdom that became the most dominant of the four kingdoms before the demise of these kingdoms - Egypt and Seleucia.
The feet of the entire image hold the image up, and no part of the image was Roman. The ten kings and the king who they will hand over all their power and authority to, will be destroyed by Christ when He returns. They are the kings of the kingdoms of the lion, the leopard and the bear.
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How can you say the AoD was fulfilled both in the past and the future, but then deny the same point about how Antiochus Epiphanes fulfilled the prophecy, but it will happen again in the future?
Jesus was referring to the point that they knew the prophecy had been fulfilled, but it would happen again, at the Second Coming.
There were gaps, because the angel prophesied there would be gaps. Your explanation is not the fulfillment of prophecy, but a contrived human explanation of your own historical interpretation.
The angel prophecied gaps, and you say nope, the angel was wrong, and today humans have the right way Daniel 9 should have been written, removing the gaps that were prophecied.
Jesus is the 70th week both as Messiah in the first century, and as the Prince to come at the Second Coming. The 7th Trumpet declares the end of the 70 weeks, because that is the time that is up, at that point, not in the first century. According to you time is already up, and Jesus is already sitting on a throne in Jerusalem.
"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."
Jesus in Jerusalem is now in control of every nation on earth. You said that took place in 1844. I don't think the current nations got the memo, that Jesus was now controlling them. For disobedience alone they all should have been wiped off the face of the earth. No one has gone up year to year to worship Jesus with a delegation of tribute. Zechariah 14.
The church has realized since the first century that Jesus has been given all authority. That is not the issue. At the 7th Trumpet, all on earth understand that Jesus from Jerusalem is now the realized leader of every nation. Because the Prince "to come" part only works after the "coming part" as Prince to the earth, not remote from heaven for thousands of years.
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Davy, let's talk about what Malachi said:
Malachi speaks of Jesus, the "Messenger of the Covenant" who "shall come".
Daniel 9 speaks of "Messiah the Prince" aka "the prince that shall come" who will confirm the "Covenant".
Since you know what you won't admit - that these two verse by themselves more than point to Jesus as the "covenant maker" of Daniel 9 - there must be other verses which you think prove otherwise, so what are they?
...because I'd love the opportunity to give you the same reasons the Protestant Reformers gave for why your Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurist nonsense doesn't hold water.
Anyone who thinks Messiah can be a Gentile is off their rocker, or... they have an agenda from the "synagogue of Satan".
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I support true Israel alone.
"false christs" is plural, not singular...understand?
Davy doesn't understand that "false christs" is plural - namely, the plurality of the papal succession.
Someone please explain to Davy that "antichrist" aka "son of perdition" rises "within us" - the church - before turning apostate and going "out from us" - just as what happened to Judas, which is why Jesus called him the "son of perdition".
Someone else please ask Davy to explain how it is that antichrist is a Jew who arises among the "left behind" after the church is "raptured" if antichrist is supposed to arise within the church before going out?
I've maintained that "anti- Christos" means "in place of Christ" or "instead of Christ" or "in behalf of Christ". The papacy has always claimed to be just that.
See how Davy reacts to unanswerable truth with ad hominem? He can't help himself.
Someone please tell Davy there's nothing in this passage about "the end of the world" arrival of antichrist. He, like all Jesuit-sympathizing hacks, is so anxious to establish error as "truth" that he sees words that aren't even there!
Now, let's find out if the Early Church Fathers were Historicists like me or Jesuit Futurists like Davy:
Early Church Fathers Were Historicist – H. Grattan Guinness
I continually hear that the early church fathers were all futurists with only vague references, there is nothing vague in what our author reveals here: .1. The Fathers interpreted the four wild bea…
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Someone please remind Davy that the only way for antichrist to go "out from us" is that antichrist must first arise "within us" - the Gentile church - which is impossible if the antichrist is a Jew who doesn't arise until after the "rapture" at the "end of the world".
Ah! Davy, you certainly have got that right. The problem is that people today still have not understood the entities of the five beasts mentioned in Daniel 7:1-12 and where they have come from. Being able to answer this question of the true identities of the five entities that are described in Daniel 7 does help us to understand better the big picture of what is going on.
The story has moved on considerably since the reformation fathers and they used their interpretation of the five beasts to demonise the RCC and the pope to break away from the RCC and the false theologies being presented at that time in history.
The Reformation fathers wrongly linked the Statue prophecy, which was primarily to do with the future events that would befall the Land of Babylon and the countries that would hold dominion over the land of Babylon. Some 19 years after Daniel penned Daniel 2 Jeremiah added further information about what would happen during the time that Israel began desiring to reconnect with God once more. Jeremiah did not see that the Roman Empire would be the fourth segment in the Statue prophecy and suggested that the fulfilment of this prophecy would occur during this present time.
Having a flawed interpretation of the actual entity of the Little Horn and where the Little Horn comes from, clouds the story that is being presented in the scriptures and we will search in all the wrong place to find the little horn entity today.
Because the influence of the Little Horn is over 2,300 years, the Little Horn is not of human form but the little Horn will actively control the human armies that he is given to accomplish his trampling of God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts up and until the end of the sixth age when the completion of the 2,300 years will occur.
Keeping these things in mind, helps us to understand the events that are associated with the Little Horn Prophecy to trample God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts right up until the end of the sixth age.
Shalom
PS: - at the end of the sixth age the little Horn will be judged and imprisoned in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years to await the time of his punishment.
Douggg, this is your opinion that Daniel 8:14 is prophetically talking about only 2,300 days, whereas my understanding based on the historical evidence of just how long God's earthly hosts have been trampled upon by the Little Horn through the armies that the Little Horn has and still is being given, strongly confirms that the understanding is that the prophecy was for 2,300 years where the usual rule found in the Prophecies in the Book of Daniel was that a year duration was represent by a day within the prophecy itself. Since the Grecian empire's armies have been used from around 250 BC during the initial period of the Israelites being trampled followed by the Roman Empire's arm and then all the armies of the nations were also used right up and until this present time, it is inconceivable that the time span of God's earthly hosts only being trampled for 2,300 days when the time span of the trampling of God's earthly hosts is not approaching 2,300 years and will end in around 20 years' time.
The historical evidence refutes your understanding.
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The 2300 day vision is for the time of the end. Daniel 8:17.
The time of the end is when the abomination of desolation is setup, Danlel 12:7-9, Daniel 12:11-12.
Jesus said when the end shall be in Matthew 24:14-31, referring to the abomination of desolation setup.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The 2300 days begin after the gospel of the kingdom has been preached to all nations. You have changed the text to 2300 years AND have those 2300 years beginning before the gospel of the king being preached to all nations.
So Jay, your interpretation is wrong on three accounts:
1. the vision is 2300 days, not years.
2. the vision is time of the end
3. the vision begins after the gospel of the kingdom has been preached to all nations, not before.
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Simple:
Daniel says the AoD happens after Messiah the Prince arrives and is rejected.
Antiochus' pig BBQ happened before Messiah arrived. Right or wrong?
Again, Daniel says the AoD happens after Messiah the Prince arrives.
Right or wrong?
You can read from Genesis to Revelation an not find a single "gap" in any "Numerically Specific Time Prophecy" nor any angel declaring such:
Noah preached 120 years, no gaps
Israel was captive in Egypt 400 years, no gaps
Israel wandered 40 years, no gaps
Elijah's famine lasted 3 1/2 years, no gaps
Ezekiel laid on his side for ten days, no gaps
Israel was captive in Babylon 70 years, no gaps
God doesn't need "gaps" to make His prophecies fit - only Jesuit ideas require that.
What angel and what "gap"???
I read that Jesus is "God" and Jesus is "man" but never that He's "a 70th week".
No, I said Jesus is in the Heavenly Sanctuary and in 1844 He moved from the Holy Place to the Most Holy Place and began to "cleanse the sanctuary" in fulfillment of the prophecy in Daniel 8.
You can't point to a single post where I said that, friend.
Zechariah 14 will not be fulfilled by those now occupy that small speck that is all that's left of the ancient land of Israel.
The church will fulfill these prophecies, according to Romans 15.
You're not sticking to the prophetic timeline which relies on our understanding of the OT sanctuary so that we can understand the significance of where Jesus stands in sanctuary in Revelation - because if He's in the Holy Place, those prophecies begin unfolding before 1844 - including the Trumpets - and if He's seen in the Most Holy Place cleansing the sanctuary, those prophecies unfold after 1844.
Daniel never says "the prince of the Earth" will come.
He says "Messiah the Prince" will come and "the Prince that shall come".
Once again brethren in Christ, be careful of listening to those of the "synagogue of Satan" (i.e., false Jews) that come here to distort the simplicity of God's written Word.
The coming false-Messiah WILL NOT COME CLAIMING TO BE A GENTILE. He will only be claimed to be a JEW.
Anyone with common sense ought to easily understand that the Orthodox unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem would NEVER bow in worship to a pope who claims to represent the Christian Church. The Orthodox Jew would ONLY bow to a MESSIAH that comes from the tribe of Judah, because that is one of the requirements THE JEWS ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THE MESSIAH OF THE BIBLE.
The Orthodox Jews don't believe Jesus of Nazareth is The MESSIAH, so they await another to come in the future.
The coming false-Messiah WILL NOT COME CLAIMING TO BE A GENTILE. He will only be claimed to be a JEW.
Anyone with common sense ought to easily understand that the Orthodox unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem would NEVER bow in worship to a pope who claims to represent the Christian Church. The Orthodox Jew would ONLY bow to a MESSIAH that comes from the tribe of Judah, because that is one of the requirements THE JEWS ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THE MESSIAH OF THE BIBLE.
The Orthodox Jews don't believe Jesus of Nazareth is The MESSIAH, so they await another to come in the future.
Douggg,
The timeline that you represent in your pretty diagrams represents your understanding of the timeline of the events during the last 1,000 plus years before the judgement of the people begins in the GWTR. Sadly, there are many so called profits who hold to similar understandings but have not understood the scriptures or what is presented in them.
let us consider your evidence: -
Daniel 8:17-19: - 17 So he came near where I stood, and when he came I was afraid and fell on my face; but he said to me, "Understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end."
18 Now, as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep with my face to the ground; but he touched me and stood me upright. 19 And he said, "Look, I am making known to you what shall happen in the latter time of the indignation; for at the appointed time the end shall be.
Douggg, when will the latter time of the indignation occur? I would suggest to you that it will occur when the fourth age of the visitation of the fathers' iniquities upon there children and the children's children comes to an end, in around 20 years' time.
Douggg, Daniel 7:11-12, will occur in around 20 years' time from now.
The abomination of desolation is only hinted at in Daniel 7:25.
In the Book of revelation, the abomination of desolation happens after the Bottomless pit is unlocked and the Beasts, the Little Horn/False Prophet and Satan has been released. The beast, the Little Horn/False Prophet and Satan will be imprisoned in the bottomless pit in around 20 years' time from now when God will judge the heavenly hosts in heaven, and the kings of the earth at Armageddon and imprison them for many days to await the time of their punishment.
At this present time, the Daniel 8:13-14 is drawing towards its completion. It should be noted that this prophecy is only applicable to the Jewish Temple and the nation of Israel. Christians are not at the moment being openly trampled by the Little Horn. After Satan, the False Prophet and the beast are released from the Bottomless pit, they will also go after the "Christian" Saints as well and the Great Tribulations will commence.
Your summary, which I quoted first in this post, is not based on any scripture at all but is only what you believe will happen.
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I am not claiming to be a prophet.
What are you talking about ? The latter time of the indignation is when the transgressors have reached their full number, verse 23. i.e. the ten kings of Daniel 7 who the little horn will come up in their midst.
The abomination of desolation is not mentioned at all in Daniel 7:25. Only the actions of the little horn person.
The bible does not say anything about the little horn/false prophet being imprisoned in the bottomless pit.
I gave the scriptures.
Jay, we are so far apart on eschatology, and what you write is I can see no rationale in it, I think I should probably just not waste my energy in trying to convince you otherwise.
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