The Twins

[Episkopos]

@Behold may be off-base on a few things...

But his story of the two nuns is based on biblical truths.

If you think that it isn't, that says to me that you are the one who doesn't have any understanding of the gospel message.

Man...you agree with a complete fabrication based on a religious intolerance and false spirituality?

You haven't understood the gospel or the kind of attitude or discernment that it takes to avoid a superficial and self-serving view of God and the way people try using Him to serve themselves.

The OP is just a dilettante trying to justify himself for being born again...and then making everything about how that is a status that makes him able to understand things that are way beyond him. A child does this with make-believe stories.

But there is a real life and a real God. And real consequences to making things up and passing that off as in any way truthful. Show a little fear of the Lord. Show a little wisdom.

I wish people dropped the fantasies and got on with trying to discover the truth.

 

[mjrhealth]

Man...you agree with a complete fabrication based on a religious intolerance and false spirituality?

You haven't understood the gospel or the kind of attitude or discernment that it takes to avoid a superficial and self-serving view of God and the way people try using Him to serve themselves.

The OP is just a dilettante trying to justify himself for being born again...and then making everything about how that is a status that makes him able to understand things that are way beyond him. A child does this with make-believe stories.

But there is a real life and a real God. And real consequences to making things up and passing that off as in any way truthful. Show a little fear of the Lord. Show a little wisdom.

I wish people dropped the fantasies and got on with trying to discover the truth.

The world is getting darker, the truth is not something the enemy wants known, can you imagine "christians: with truth, those little candles would burn so bright they would be spotted a mile away and who wants to be a target for the enemy.

 

[mjrhealth]

It is biblically viable this story about two different people who went, one to heaven, and the other to hell. It is even a picture of what the Bible teaches about heaven and hell.

I'm not certain why you, @Episkopos, would think that this is based on a lie.

If you really think that, there must be something deeply wrong with your theology.

It doesnt describe God... not by any means. Based on that story alone many christians will never see heaven,.

 

[Taken]

More fictional beliefs. I hope no one buys into your fictional theoretical rhetoric.

Men "make up" scenarios of situations called "parables", to make a Point of a Truthful outcome.

The scenario Behold presented, was about Twin women Discovering for themselves Dispair among homeless Orphans.
It is not unrealistic to believe Anyone would have compassion toward Homeless Orphans.
The Point Behold was revealing WAS:
One Twin WAS taking care of Homeless Orphans AS a Servant of God...To Glorify God.
The Other Twin WAS taking care of Homeless Orphans Because SHE felt sorry for the Orphans, and SHE felt better, By HER helping the Orphans.

Aiding Another IS NOT for the purpose To make "US" "feel better"...BUT rather to Accredit God, that God makes it Possible for one to Aid an other...and it is That which Glorifies Gods Great Name.

Parables by men, need not be based on a TRUE scenario...but the Lesson/Point must be True.

Parables by Jesus, Are Every Word True. For the Simple Fact, He IS the Truth, and Can Not Speak anything that IS NOT TRUE.

Behold's scenario/story/Parable did not need to be True.
The Point/Lesson...out Come of each Twin WAS True...and Told WHY it was True.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[justbyfaith]

Man...you agree with a complete fabrication based on a religious intolerance and false spirituality?

You haven't understood the gospel or the kind of attitude or discernment that it takes to avoid a superficial and self-serving view of God and the way people try using Him to serve themselves.

The OP is just a dilettante trying to justify himself for being born again...and then making everything about how that is a status that makes him able to understand things that are way beyond him. A child does this with make-believe stories.

But there is a real life and a real God. And real consequences to making things up and passing that off as in any way truthful. Show a little fear of the Lord. Show a little wisdom.

I wish people dropped the fantasies and got on with trying to discover the truth.

He might've just shown forth the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, it is the same principle.

Except his story shows forth the reality that a person can have works and yet be lacking in faith; and that in such a case their works will not save them.

This is a biblical understanding, @Episkopos.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

It doesnt describe God... not by any means. Based on that story alone many christians will never see heaven,.

Jesus-Nicodemus? ‘You must be born again’...’or you will perish’

 

[Episkopos]

He might've just shown forth the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, it is the same principle.

Except his story shows forth the reality that a person can have works and yet be lacking in faith; and that in such a case their works will not save them.

This is a biblical understanding, @Episkopos.

Again....so off. So where does it say that the poor man Lazarus was born again? Show us from the word!!!

Your error is so great as to be fully against the biblical teaching.

You need to learn a lot more before you can state anything close to the truth.

God is merciful on the poor and they who suffer which has NOTHING to do with being born again into the higher race of faith.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

Again....so off. So where does it say that the poor man Lazarus was born again? Show us from the word!!!

Your error is so great as to be fully against the biblical teaching.

You need to learn a lot more before you can state anything close to the truth.

God is merciful on the poor and they who suffer which has NOTHING to do with being born again into the higher race of faith.

As he was poor, probably had nowhere else to turn-but The Lord.
it is a parable though, or is it?

 

[justbyfaith]

Again....so off. So where does it say that the poor man Lazarus was born again? Show us from the word!!!

That's simple.

Jesus said you must be born again in order to be saved.

Lazarus was saved, he was in Abraham's bosom, the place of the righteous dead; and his destination was heaven.

Therefore, he must have been born again; because he was indeed saved.

Because he was saved he cannot, not, be born again.

 

[mjrhealth]

That's simple.

Jesus said you must be born again in order to be saved.

Lazarus was saved, he was in Abraham's bosom, the place of the righteous dead; and his destination was heaven.

Therefore, he must have been born again; because he was indeed saved.

Because he was saved he cannot, not, be born again.

He could not have being born again as Jesus had not yet completed His work, how men limit God so, make Him like an ignorant man.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

He could not have being born again as Jesus had not yet completed His work, how men limit God so, make Him like an ignorant man.

As it was a parable-He probably meant future tense

 

[Episkopos]

Jesus said you must be born again in order to be saved.

You need to find a de-programmer.

Where does it say in the bible that you must be born again to be saved? Do you realize that seeing the kingdom of God is about a spiritual faculty not some invented religious saved status?

Do you realize what indoctrination is? What hypnotic suggestion is? What religious conditioning is?

Imagine a person who is so blind and then claims to be a watchman? The blind watching over the blind?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Imagine a person who is so blind and then claims to be a watchman? The blind watching over the blind?

Curious, haven’t read all the post here ...do you watch? What does watching mean to you?

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

Where does it say in the bible that you must be born again to be saved?

John 3:3 ????

 

[Episkopos]

John 3:3 ????

LOL...Now read it. Without a human selfish interpretation.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

LOL...Now read it. Without a human selfish interpretation.

I must be too selfish...because When I read it, Jesus definitely says ‘we must be born again, in order to be saved’

 

[Episkopos]

I must be too selfish...because When I read it, Jesus definitely says ‘we must be born again, in order to be saved’

Maybe you have a bad translation. Could you post your version of the bible where it talks about salvation?

 

[marks]

Where does it say in the bible that you must be born again to be saved? Do you realize that seeing the kingdom of God is about a spiritual faculty not some invented religious saved status?

This is very important I think! It can be easy to substitute an understanding for a word, and suddenly the passage becomes a little different.

In this case, you must be born again . . . why? To be saved? Or to see the kingdom of God? I think the thought is that to see the kingdom of God presumes that we are 'saved', yet, we do disservice to the text that way. Because seeing the kingdom of God is it's own thing, and we shouldn't miss that.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

The point is that you cannot see the kingdom of God unless you are saved.

So, if you must be born again in order to see the kingdom of God, does it not follow that you must be born again to be saved?

It translates out into people trying to find loopholes in the word of God.

Just take it for what it means.

 

[Taken]

That's simple.

Jesus said you must be born again in order to be saved.

Lazarus was saved, he was in Abraham's bosom, the place of the righteous dead; and his destination was heaven.

Therefore, he must have been born again; because he was indeed saved.

Because he was saved he cannot, not, be born again.

Lazarus' Saved soul with Abraham's Saved soul...tells us, Both Abraham & (this) Lazarus were Bodily dead.

If this same (soul Saved Lazarus) died After Jesus, he could have Received a Quickened spirit (born Again), before his bodily death.

Jesus said a man must be born Again...
The only indication of timeframe, I've read is it Had to be a death After Jesus' Death and Ascension.

Glory to God,
Taken