The Unsaved Man Does Not Need To “Stop Sinning”

[Behold]

Not inheriting the kingdom of God clearly means losing their inheritance of the kingdom of God.

It clearly does not.
It clearly means that the Inheritance is exactly like the Gift of Salvation.

You dont have it, until its given to you, and once you have it, its yours.

The Inheritance is based on being born again.
You can never stop being born again., and such is the eternal inheritance that is based only on being born again.

Curtis, there is a reason that there is no verse in the bible, NT OR OT, THAT SAYS....you can stop being born again.
Why?
Because you can't stop being born, once you are born.
And in the case of a spiritual Birth......its the same as being born of your mother.
You didnt cause it, and you can't undo it.

Here is how retarded it is.....spiritually retarded,.....to try to believe and teach that you can "lose your salvation".

Its like this...
If you can stop being born again, if you can stop being born, ......then you can lose your salvation.
How ridiculous is this, idea?

Try it like this.....Go to your mother and say.....>"mama i dont believe in you anymore, and i dont want to be born....so, as of today i lost my birth, and im not really here".

See that?
Its retarded behavior.

Now go to God who has ALSO birthed you, and say....>"im not born again any more".

See that stupidity?
Its literally beyond stupid to think that way, and believe that way, about Salvation, yet millions of believers have been taught to be "stuck on Stupid", and God knows they are stuck on it..... thats a fact.

Reader, dont be that one.

 

[dev553344]

Sorry, maybe this is a continuation of a discussion elsewhere? But, isn't that a given? Who would tell an unsaved person to stop sinning? I think it would be like telling an arsonist to stop flicking their lighter.

They have 12 step programs for sex, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, gambling, etc. So I think it's OK to tell the unsaved to quit sinning. People do it all the time.

 

[dev553344]

I should point out that the 10 commandments are also in the laws in modern society. So it's also OK to tell the sinners to stop breaking those commandments that are written into current law. Like stealing or adultery in the states where it's unlawful. Yeah and killing is also breaking the law.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Oof. I’m too horrified to continue in this thread. I’m sorry I even entered it.

 

[GEN2REV]

Welp, .... looks like the whole 'Gang' is here!

And the battle cry is, "Those who love God enough to strive to obey His Commandments go straight to hell!" ... right?

I mean, because ... God only allows those who don't make the slightest effort to obey Him and follow His ways into heaven. Right?

Sounds like you guys all know what you're talking about. Keep going!

Heaven is to the left! Just follow the crowd that did 'nothing' for their salvation!!

That's right!! There ya go!! Don't mind the heat!!
Nothing to see here!! Keep it moving!!

 

[dev553344]

Welp, .... looks like the whole 'Gang' is here!

And the battle cry is, "Those who love God enough to strive to obey His Commandments go straight to hell!" ... right?

I mean, because ... God only allows those who don't make the slightest effort to obey Him and follow His ways into heaven. Right?

Sounds like you guys all know what you're talking about. Keep going!

Heaven is to the left! Just follow the crowd that did 'nothing' for their salvation!!

That's right!! There ya go!! Don't mind the heat!!
Nothing to see here!! Keep it moving!!

The fire needs more wood. Most of those guys on the left are idols of themselves and made of fine crafted wood me thinks

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Welp, .... looks like the whole 'Gang' is here!

And the battle cry is, "Those who love God enough to strive to obey His Commandments go straight to hell!" ... right?

I mean, because ... God only allows those who don't make the slightest effort to obey Him and follow His ways into heaven. Right?

Sounds like you guys all know what you're talking about. Keep going!

Heaven is to the left! Just follow the crowd that did 'nothing' for their salvation!!

That's right!! There ya go!! Don't mind the heat!!
Nothing to see here!! Keep it moving!!

What a dumb observation and conclusion......”New Creations” with “ New Hearts” will naturally strive to obey their Heavenly Father —- sin has all of the allure as sticking one’s hand in a fire to one that has been “Born from Above”......I obey God as much as I can...I get blessed because of that....when I choose to disobey God , guess who pays the price ?.I just know that Obedience to the Law is the ultimate in Wisdom, but we are not saved by * OUR* Obedience .....I got Saved by *HIS* Obedience and by my Faith in His Shed Blood.....The Bible speaks about an Obedience to the Gospel .....concentrate on THAT Obedience ( you obey the Gospel by Resting in it) and watch God take care of the rest...You will “ find yourself” being Obedient without having to try so hard......in the end,it’s NOT what YOU do .....it’s what HE does through you....

 

[Lambano]

Oof. I’m too horrified to continue in this thread. I’m sorry I even entered it.

This is extremely bad. It’s really, really bad.

That's because we're hearing from you the same message we've always heard: "Clean yourself up with your own power or its the flames for you!" All that message does is makes me want to throw a childish temper tantrum. So I did. I'm not proud of that, but I'll at least be honest about it

Yeah, there's something seriously broken with my "want to".

Yeah, I'm insecure. And I'm not alone in my insecurity. Hopefully I'm better than I was. (Except mature people don't throw spiritual temper tantrums.)

I don't know if this kind of preaching does anything but keep believers at the childish stage where obedience is given out of fear of punishment, rather than because it pleases the Father who loves them. I do remember the point in my own life when I was a teenager and my mother's health started failing. I realized that the punishments she could dish out were less painful than the knowledge that I had disappointed her love for me.

 

[GEN2REV]

What a dumb observation and conclusion......”New Creations” with “ New Hearts” will naturally strive to obey their Heavenly Father —- sin has all of the allure as sticking one’s hand in a fire to one that has been “Born from Above”......I obey God as much as I can...I get blessed because of that....when I choose to disobey God , guess who pays the price ?.I just know that Obedience to the Law is the ultimate in Wisdom, but we are not saved by * OUR* Obedience .....I got Saved by *HIS* Obedience and by my Faith in His Shed Blood.....The Bible speaks about an Obedience to the Gospel .....concentrate on THAT Obedience ( you obey the Gospel by Resting in it) and watch God take care of the rest...You will “ find yourself” being Obedient without having to try so hard......in the end,it’s NOT what YOU do .....it’s what HE does through you....

Let's see:

"Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not ... in Thy Name done many wonderful works? And then I will profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me ye that work iniquity."
Matthew 7:22-23

And what is iniquity?

The Biblical definition of iniquity is SIN.
What is SIN?

Sin is the breaking of the Commandments of God. 1 John 3:4

Thus, those who live their lives NOT OBEYING the 10 Commandments of God are "workers of iniquity" - per Jesus Christ.

They will be separated in that day from those who, through patience and endurance, strived daily to obey the Commandments of God written IN STONE by the very finger of God Himself. And they will be delivered to destruction.

"Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the Commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."
Revelation 14:12

The faith and ways of Jesus Christ include keeping the 10 Commandments of God.
John 15:10

 

[stunnedbygrace]

That's because we're hearing from you the same message we've always heard: "Clean yourself up with your own power or its the flames for you!" All that message does is makes me want to throw a childish temper tantrum. So I did. I'm not proud of that, but I'll at least be honest about it

You only hear that because you have dropped some of the balls you were juggling.
And you have never, never once heard from me to clean yourself up with your own power. I got stuck in that for many years. I would rather pluck out my own eye than lead someone else into that.

 

[GEN2REV]

I don't know if this kind of preaching does anything but keep believers at the childish stage where obedience is given out of fear of punishment, rather than because it pleases the Father who loves them.

This is the only reason true believers obey the 10 Commandments. They do it out of love for God, not out of fear.
John 14:15

 

[Pearl]

It is a mistake to tell a man devoid of the Holy Spirit ( the Unsaved Man, in other words ) to “stop sinning”......It is God’s Holy Spirit that compels one to hate and abandon sin or to even have the “ Desire” to abandon sin, much less have any Power to do anything about it.....

Dogs bark, cats, meow and sinners sin because it's their nature.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Dogs bark, cats, meow and sinners sin because it's their nature.

Amen!, Thats why we need to be made into a new creation, through christ.

A dog returns to his vomit because he is still a dog. He does not know any better. When we are made into new creation, our need of sin (to serve self) is removed. Only then can we start to grow into the knowledge and grace of Christ, and start to see victory over sin.

 

[Pearl]

Amen!, Thats why we need to be made into a new creation, through christ.

A dog returns to his vomit because he is still a dog. He does not know any better. When we are made into new creation, our need of sin (to serve self) is removed. Only then can we start to grow into the knowledge and grace of Christ, and start to see victory over sin.

There are lots of people who don't understand this.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There are lots of people who don't understand this.

Yeah, Sadly they think they have to clean themselves up. Not realising thats an impossible task.

 

[doxley]

That's because we're hearing from you the same message we've always heard: "Clean yourself up with your own power or its the flames for you!" All that message does is makes me want to throw a childish temper tantrum. So I did. I'm not proud of that, but I'll at least be honest about it

I don't understand this forum, I can't work out who likes who or who doesn't. Someone suddenly comes out with harsh words towards another and I'm looking around me, as though to say "Where on earth did that come from".

 

[Pearl]

Yeah, Sadly they think they have to clean themselves up. Not realising thats an impossible task.

Yep, I've heard it so often; people beating themselves because they don't think they're good enough - but who is.

 

[Pearl]

I don't understand this forum, I can't work out who likes who or who doesn't. Someone suddenly comes out with harsh words towards another and I'm looking around me, as though to say "Where on earth did that come from".

Oh good a fellow Brit. You'll get used to it and it does have an ignore option. And there are lots of nice people who are good to chat to. Welcome to the forum.

 

[doxley]

Oh good a fellow Brit. You'll get used to it and it does have an ignore option. And there are lots of nice people who are good to chat to. Welcome to the forum.

Ah thank you. I appreciate it

 

[Episkopos]

Yep, I've heard it so often; people beating themselves because they don't think they're good enough - but who is.

There is a basic dishonesty with Western believers. On the one hand they will say that to stop sinning means only to stop a LIFESTYLE of sin...because they don't believe in resurrection life that overcomes ALL sin. So that is unbelief in the gospel in itself.

But then these same deniers will claim that ALL non- Christians live in a lifestyle of sin...which is ludicrous. Travel the world and go see the poor who suffer every day just to survive. Now compare that lifestyle with right Westerners who enjoy so many benefits and pleasures. Can we not see WHO is headed for judgment? Is the rich Western world (dogmatic beliefs notwithstanding) not under the "woes" of the Lord?

Who is wise nowadays?