Hidden In Him
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I have an interesting book which discusses the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives. I think it clarifies what can be confusing in scripture. It's called Receiving The Power by Zeb Bradford Long and Douglas McMurray, two Presbyterian Charismatics. It was recommended to me by a Messianic Jew - so very ecumenical.!
1. Their thesis is that there are two distinctive ways in which the Holy Spirit acts and these are often confused, not the least because the same phrases are used in scripture regarding them. These two ways are referred to by Long & McMurray as ‘the Spirit upon’ and ‘the Spirit within’. Thus there is an external and internal work of the Spirit. This is true both for the Old Testament and the New
Correspondingly there are:
2. two ways of receiving the Holy Spirit;
3. two ways of being filled with the Holy Spirit (or full of the Holy Spirit);
4. two 'baptisms'.
That's a lot to discuss. I will start with point 1. above and move on to the others later.
1. The Spirit 'upon' and the Spirit 'within':
.Actual quotations from the book are in blue.
There are two major motifs in scripture…that reflect two different operations of the Holy Spirit. One motif has the Spirit coming “upon” people for power in ministry. A second has the Spirit coming “within” people for salvation and to develop in them skill, wisdom, godly character and maturity in faith and love. Both motifs are equally important and equally biblical.
Thus there is an external and internal work of the Spirit. This is true both for the Old Testament and the New.
The external work corresponds to the charismatic gifts of the Spirit which are given for work of ministry. Examples of the ‘Spirit upon’ from the Old Testament are 2Chr 15:1-2 (for prophecy), 1Sam 19:23-24 (ecstatic praise of God), Ez 1:3-4 (for visions).
Examples from the New Testament are Acts 2:17 (Peter quoting Joel), Acts 10:44-47 (tongues, extolling God), Avts 19:6 (tongues, prophecy)
The internal work corresponds to the sanctifying gifts of the Spirit, as well as practical gifts. Examples from the Old Testament are Gen 41:38-39 (wisdom), Ex 31:1-5 (knowledge and craftsmanship).]
Examples from the New Testament are 1Cor 6:19, 2 Cor 1:22, Eph 4:16.
Long & McMurray use the imagery of a tree where, in the external work, the Spirit gives gifts like those on a Christmas tree, which can be added or removed. They are given for ministry and for the building up of the Church. The internal work is more like the sap permeating the tree giving it life and producing fruit that comes from within. Thus the internal work helps us grow in holiness and spiritual fruitfulness.
It is important that these two workings are kept in balance.
As bitter experience has shown, the “Spirit upon” for gifts and power may occur to great effect, but if there is no parallel growth in the inward work of the Spirit, there can follow a loss of power leading to disaster…. Many a large church or impressive evangelistic ministry has been swept away because the preacher or evangelist neglected the inward work of the Holy Spirit becoming proud and unaccountable…
An opposite but equally tragic situation afflicts the Church when there is an inward work of the Holy Spirit but rejection of the outward work. In this case a believer may pursue moral living, altruistic works, concise exposition of the Word and genuine Christian fellowship but demonstrate no spiritual power to set people free from bondage or fulfil the task of evangelism and making disciples…..
This half-full Christianity is as scandalous as the other. The world scorns a powerless church as much as it scorns an immoral one…… Surely the answer to both dilemmas is that we open our lives to both kinds of infilling, to the work of “the Spirit upon” and “the Spirit within”.
Blessings to you in Christ Jesus, Mongo. I don't believe we've talked before.
Without any desire to be confrontational here - rather just wanting to discuss this subject in Peace - I personally think their argument is making too much theological differentiation out of the wording. Take the analogy of a bucket. First it rains upon the bucket, and then the bucket receives rain within it, after which it begins to fill with water until full. I think these are all just different phases of the same event taking place, and so too in the Spirit. I think much of their arguments stem largely from assumptions that the Holy Spirit indwells believers permanently, as opposed to outpourings to perform works of power, which do not.
The Spirit UPON us is entering INTO Christ. Just like in the upper room in Acts.
The Spirit within us is only quickened to life when we enter Christ so that we become filled with the Spirit.
In the OT the Spirit would be ON the prophets...but since there was no indwelling Christ...there was nothing to burst forth into. It was just God's power and authority....but without the character of Christ.
So then the NT "being filled with the Spirit" is both being IN Christ (under His power) and having Christ within. When both of these are present we can walk the same way Jesus did....in power and authority but also in the character of Jesus having His eyes to love with.
Episkopos, while you won't see me expressing any animosity over it, I actually agree with @Giuliano on this one. Your translation of Micah 2:11 is excellent, but it doesn't negate the verses he quoted you which demonstrate the Spirit also dwelt within believers during OT times. To me, the primary difference is simply that the outpouring was made possible for Gentile and Jewish believers alike to exist as one spiritual temple together, making the need for a physical temple and its restrictions obsolete. But I'd be glad to discuss it : )
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