There Ain’t No Way This Guy Is Saved......Right?

[amigo de christo]

OSAS?

Paul makes clear that after we have been saved, there is a continuing conflict between our wanting to walk in the flesh, (that wants us to live in sin)- and our desire to walk after the Holy Spirit that now dwells in us - and Paul warns that choosing to live in sins (works of the flesh), will keep us out of heaven:


Gal 5:16 ThisI say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.


Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Gal 5:18 But IF ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


Gal 5:19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these;Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell YOU again, as I have also told youin time past, that they which DO such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.


Paul warns us over and over, that if we as believers choose to walk after the flesh, we will die (spiritually) - but if we choose to walk after the spirit, we will have everlasting life:


Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.


Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded isDEATH, but to be spiritually minded isLIFE and peace.


Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind isENMITY against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


And Romans 8 is talking about spiritual death, not physical death, as proven by the prodigal son, who died spiritually while he was out in the world sinning:


In the prodigal son story, the father represents God, thus the son represents believers who are Gods adopted sons.


He’s already a son when the story starts.


He leaves the father to live in sin


When he returns to the father in repentance, the father says: this is my son WHO WAS DEAD, but is now alive AGAIN, he WAS LOST, but now IS FOUND.


Luk 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother *was dead*, and is *alive again*; and *was lost*, and *is found*.


He obviously wasn’t dead physically and resurrected.


How then was he dead?


He was dead in his sins.


Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened,who *were dead* in *trespasses and sins*


Thus the son was alive, left his Father to live a sinful life, became DEAD in his sins, then returned in repentance, and became alive AGAIN.


Yes, the soul of a believer can die:


Jas 5:19 My BROTHERS, if anyone among YOU wanders from the truth and someone brings him back,


Jas 5:20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will SAVE HIS SOUL FROM DEATH and will cover a multitude of sins.


And in Verse 8:7 of Romans above, believers having a carnal mind is ENMITY against God, meaning you actually become Gods ENEMY.


Will God let His enemies into heaven?


Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is ENMITY with God? whosoever therefore will be a FRIEND OF THE WORLD is the ENEMY of God.


The verse above says sexual sins and being worldly, makes you Gods ENEMY, and the verse that follows proves the Jas 4:4 warning above, is to believers, not the unsaved:


The next verse makes even more clear that the warning against living a lifestyle of sexual sins is to the BRETHREN:


1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, YOUR SANCTIFICATION: that you abstain from sexual immorality;

1Th 4:4 that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor,

1Th 4:5 not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God;

1Th 4:6 that no one transgress and wrong his BROTHER in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we told you beforehand and solemnly WARNED you.

1Th 4:7 For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness.

1Th 4:8 Therefore whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.


Our sanctification is to abstain from sexual immorality, verse 3, above.


We are expected and required as believers, to live the most sinless life we can, and to repent when we know we’ve sinned.


Scripture clearly shows that continuing to remain in Christ is conditional on us 1) continuing to walk in the light, as He is in the light, and 2) continuing to walk after the spirit, instead of after the flesh.


In the two verses below, You can see the conditional part of these scriptures that are always left out by hyper-grace, OSAS teachers.


1Jn 1:7 But (IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light), we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


The blood of Jesus cleansing the believer is conditional on their choosing to continue to walk in the light, as He is in the light.


Next:

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, (who walk NOT AFTER THE FLESH, but after the Spirit).


Having no condemnation, and remaining in Christ, is conditional upon continuing to walk after the Spirit, and not after the flesh.


And Paul warns us against being deceived about living in sin as a believer, when he wrote:


Gal 6:7 Be Not DECEIVED ; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man SOWETH,that shall he also REAP.


Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; BUT he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting


You reap everlasting life only if you sow to the spirit (walk after the Spirit, Romans 8:1) , but reap spiritual death if you sow to your flesh.


When we do occasionally sin, we must confess it, for God to forgive it. 1 John 1:9.


The lies of hyper grace are twofold: you don’t ever need to repent after salvation when you sin; and you can’t lose salvation.


This makes grace a license to sin, since sin has no eternal penalty.


Thus if you want a mistress on the side, you can have one, and regularly commit adultery - or if you’re a drunkard you can get drunk every day - you can live a sinful lifestyle with impunity.


I personally know people that are living in sin, and use OSAS as their sinning license, and they get angry if you tell them that Paul warned the brethren in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that living in the sin of drunkenness or adultery, etc, will keep them out of heaven.


In that passage, Paul warns some of the believers that they are defrauding their brethren, (which is stealing, being a thief) then warns them that stealing, and other sins, will keep them from heaven:


1Co 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and DEFRAUD and that yourbrethren.


1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? BE NOT DECEIVED: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,


1Co 6:10 Nor THIEVES, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Another warning by Paul, to the saints of God, about living a sinful lifestyle as a child of God:


Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;


Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh SAINTS.


Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.


Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath ANY inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.


Eph 5:6 Let no man DECEIVE you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the WRATH of God upon the children of disobedience.


Eph 5:7 Be not YE therefore partakers WITH them.


In Luke 8 Jesus tells the parable of the sower who sows the seed of the word of God.


Some seed sown lands on a rock. The seed GROWS, and thus results in new life, but then it withers and dies.


Jesus in the example of the seed sown on a rock, shows that some people BELIEVE for a while, but then FALL AWAY.


Luk 8:5 A sower went out to sow his seed...


Luk 8:6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.


Luk 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, *receive the word with joy*; and these have no root, which FOR A WHILE BELIEVE, and in time of temptation FALL AWAY.


Notice above, they *received the word with joy*


To receive the word with joy, is to become a follower of Jesus Christ:


1Th 1:6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the wordin much affliction, with joyof the Holy Ghost.


Some believe for a while, then fall away.

Rather interesting is that teaching of the prodigal son . And PUAL confirms this .
HE said but while she lives , IN sin , SHE IS DEAD WHILE SHE LIVETH . Dead .
Just as the prodigal was dead and just as the prodigal was not physically dead , so too this example was not speaking about physical death
but rather spiritual . SO SHE IS DEAD WHILE SHE LIVETH . For some have indeed TURNED ASIDE after satan .

 

[amigo de christo]

Ye shall know them by their fruits . And a good tree dont produce evil fruit .
Who we serve , AS PUAL ONCE WROTE , IS whose we are . Whether o sin unto death or of obediance unto righteousness .
I think BB in on the verge of writing hyper grace three . But advised BB , Go back into the bible and learn JESUS and the apostels doctrine .
Watch closely now . And i shall pray for it to sink in my friend .

 

[BloodBought 1953]

In context,


Matthew 7:18-23
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.



John 6:28-29

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

I got plenty of “Good Fruit” ....it was really made evident when I tried to help out a poor, confused Legalist a couple of years ago —— YOU! ..... a sincere, loving attempt to help somebody that had “ fallen from Grace” and was blind to it. She is still blind.....still “ Fallen”......

 

[Wynona]

I got plenty of “Good Fruit” ....it was really made evident when I tried to help out a poor, confused Legalist a couple of years ago —— YOU! ..... a sincere, loving attempt to help somebody that had “ fallen from Grace” and was blind to it. She is still blind.....still “ Fallen”......

If theres any way to keep the negativity of the past to a minimum, Id really like to.

I mean, were both human and both try to serve the same God.

We don't agree on doctrine, thats true enough. Maybe we never will. But aren't we more than that as people? Maybe you do have good fruit.

Maybe we could simply start over. Try again.

Maybe, in a different way, under different circumstances, we would have been friends.

If its okay with you maybe we could try again?



Im Wynona. How are you doing?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Ye shall know them by their fruits . And a good tree dont produce evil fruit .
Who we serve , AS PUAL ONCE WROTE , IS whose we are . Whether o sin unto death or of obediance unto righteousness .
I think BB in on the verge of writing hyper grace three . But advised BB , Go back into the bible and learn JESUS and the apostels doctrine .
Watch closely now . And i shall pray for it to sink in my friend .

Another Spy from “ The Narrow Way” .....He will be reporting back soon to the King Of Lucky Repenters, Butero......Over at That “Home Of the False and Perverted “ Gospel” , their Main Doctrine is “ If you commit any sins and lack the “ Super Memory and the Luck” to express sorrow and regret for that sin before you die, you go to Hell..

In a nutshell, they have never received the Grace of God because of their pride, and they therefore despise it, Reject it and never understand it.....

Yep—— the only thing that ever Saved anybody that was ever Saved and they reject it....don’t spread your Hog - Wash and Satanic , false Doctrine in here..... The Poorly taught and Weak- Minded might fall for it and get Ruined going out the gate—- like you guys did....

 

[TheslightestID]

That ever drew breath, yet I believe he is a Saved Christian ....

I don't

I think he passed the test given by Jesus.....” If you will confess Me before men, I will confess you before my Father in Heaven”

Sure that is an absolute fact, but you completely forget there is so much that goes along with that, because that is how one makes OSAS work....its a complete deception, and is proven every time someone cherry picks scripture like that, and pretends that is all there is to it.

If you love me you will keep my commandments". And that just one of probably hundreds.

So it stands to reason, if one does not make effort to keep the commandments, then they don't love Jesus.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Ye shall know them by their fruits . And a good tree dont produce evil fruit .
Who we serve , AS PUAL ONCE WROTE , IS whose we are . Whether o sin unto death or of obediance unto righteousness .
I think BB in on the verge of writing hyper grace three . But advised BB , Go back into the bible and learn JESUS and the apostels doctrine .
Watch closely now . And i shall pray for it to sink in my friend .

Spare me your prayers—— do what Jesus and the Disciple Of Jesus, Peter said to do in the Book Of 2nd Peter—— “Listen to Paul...he is hard to understand sometimes but everything he writes is as Valid as Scripture” ( paraphrased )

The Holy Spirit inspired Paul to say, “Follow me as I follow Christ” .....Get out of the Four Gospels, (not that there is anything wrong with that) and how Jesus dealt with the Jews who were under Law as was Jesus and study Paul , the official Secretary Of Jesus after Jesus’ Ascension who Jesus used to reveal the “ Mysteries” Of God, hidden in the days of Jesus earthly ministry, and get with the New Program —- this Wondrous Age Of Grace !

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I don't



Sure that is an absolute fact, but you completely forget there is so much that goes along with that, because that is how one makes OSAS work....its a complete deception, and is proven every time someone cherry picks scripture like that, and pretends that is all there is to it.

If you love me you will keep my commandments". And that just one of probably hundreds.

So it stands to reason, if one does not make effort to keep the commandments, then they don't love Jesus.

We got Two Commandments.....they have Nothing to do with the Commandments Of Moses....That “ Weak and Useless System” has been replaced with “ Better Promises” From God ....This side of the Cross ( and that “ Cross” changed EVERYTHiNG ! ) the only Commandments Jesus left us with are #1-BELIEVE and #2 - Love......If we obey just those two, everything else will take care of itself....everything is encapsulated in those two.....Jesus said so.....more than once.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I don't



Sure that is an absolute fact, but you completely forget there is so much that goes along with that, because that is how one makes OSAS work....its a complete deception, and is proven every time someone cherry picks scripture like that, and pretends that is all there is to it.

If you love me you will keep my commandments". And that just one of probably hundreds.

So it stands to reason, if one does not make effort to keep the commandments, then they don't love Jesus.

Jesus did NOT say , “ If you will confess me before men plus keep my commandments , I will confess you before my Father” .......if that is what he really wanted, why would He pass up the Golden Opportunity to just say so ?

We can’t forget that Salvation is a “ Gift” ......all one has to do is Accept it or reject it....Salvation was very costly to God , but Free to all that will Rest in the Gospel Of Grace......Accept the Free Gift Of God , “ Given to those that do NOT work for it “ and that will have God give you His Holy Spirit and given enough time , that Spirit will Transform a person from the inside out and you will “ find” yourself doing those things that please God.....the things that you have pointed out....

 

[Ezra]

I know a guy who hasn’t set foot church in 50 years.....He probably does not own a Bible, much less does he ever blow the dust off of it and read it....his personality is so obnoxious he has no friends.....he routinely talks to his own Mother like she is a dog.....he has ran off two wives, one of which was a very sweet, kind- hearted woman.....he spends most of his days involved in pornography and is not Above having one- night stands with women he meets on porn sites.......

Having said all of that , he once surprised me when we were talking about False Religions and different “ Spiritual ” programs used to “ better” people who were troubled and/ or addicted to drugs or other bad, self-destructive habits.....he said of these man- made religions and programs the following: “ I don’t care what they do or say, if it ain’t got Jesus in it, it’s a waste of time”......

Since that time, I have never doubted his Salvation —- he May be among the “ Worst” , Carnal Christians That ever drew breath, yet I believe he is a Saved Christian ....
Why? I think he passed the test given by Jesus.....” If you will confess Me before men, I will confess you before my Father in Heaven”

He is an unhappy soul here on Earth ....he will probably have NO rewards in Heaven , and Judgement Day will be a very long day for him ....
He will likely shed many tears on that day and he will get in by the skin of his teeth, but I believe Jesus will wipe those tears and allow him to enter Heaven.....all because he met the bare minimum requirement —— he believed enough in Jesus to at least “ acknowledge Him before men” ....that’s enough to get a man saved.....

Any opinions about this out there?

Romans 2:16

“In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” it certainly sounds like he is lost and odds are he is.. but eternal judgement is not our call. we can judge by saying the life style is wrong but final judgment is not our call

 

[BloodBought 1953]

If theres any way to keep the negativity of the past to a minimum, Id really like to.

I mean, were both human and both try to serve the same God.

We don't agree on doctrine, thats true enough. Maybe we never will. But aren't we more than that as people? Maybe you do have good fruit.

Maybe we could simply start over. Try again.

Maybe, in a different way, under different circumstances, we would have been friends.

If its okay with you maybe we could try again?



Im Wynona. How are you doing?

I am Wonderfully Blessed with a life Full Of Joy and Assurance....it’s a reward from God .....I got that reward by following the Commandments that all the Commandment Lovers in Legal Land always seem to ignore.....it’s the command to “ Rest in the Gospel “ or be guilty of “ disobedience” and “ unbelief”.....Read all about it in Hebrews 3 and 4......

Rest in the Finished Work Of The Cross and have a blessed life Of Joy , or Reject Grace by Adding to the Gospel Plus Nothing ( with such Hog Wash as “ Lucky Repentance” or the complete avoidance of Willful Sins ) and then “ fall from Grace” ..... You can enter the “ Promised Land “ Of Grace and Peace and Joy in your Christian Walk or figuratively speaking, Rot in the Desert in your “ walk” ( it May or not be “ Christian” ) as the Faithless Hebrews did in the Sinai Desert.....

All that aside....what has your experience been since the days that i tried to help you? You appeared to be almost suicidal.....how have things changed for you.....assuming that they have....and I hope things are for the better....I still pray for you.....

 

[Curtis]

I got plenty of “Good Fruit” ....it was really made evident when I tried to help out a poor, confused Legalist a couple of years ago —— YOU! ..... a sincere, loving attempt to help somebody that had “ fallen from Grace” and was blind to it. She is still blind.....still “ Fallen”......

Speaking of fruit: Jesus warned in John 15 that He is the vine, we are the branches, and anyone who fails to bear fruit is cut OFF the vine of Jesus as a dead branch, and burned.

Which goes along with the parable Jesus taught in Luke 13:6-9 about the fig tree that grew no fruit.

If it still grew no fruit after four years, it gets cut down. Based on that, the believer that bears no fruit in John 15 has four years after salvation before being cut off as a dead branch, and burned.

And Peter says that we must MAKE our calling and ELECTION sure, by adding to our faith the fruit of virtue, patience, Godliness, kindness and love (charity), and IF we do those things, we will never fall, and will enter into heaven, in 2 Peter 1: 5-11.

As is made clear, Godliness and virtue are fruit the believer must grow, to remain in Christ and enter into heaven.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Speaking of fruit: Jesus warned in John 15 that He is the vine, we are the branches, and anyone who fails to bear fruit is cut OFF the vine of Jesus as a dead branch, and burned.

Which goes along with the parable Jesus taught in Luke 13:6-9 about the fig tree that grew no fruit.

If it still grew no fruit after four years, it gets cut down. Based on that, the believer that bears no fruit in John 15 has four years after salvation before being cut off as a dead branch, and burned.

And Peter says that we must MAKE our calling and ELECTION sure, by adding to our faith the fruit of virtue, patience, Godliness, kindness and love (charity), and IF we do those things, we will never fall, and will enter into heaven, in 2 Peter 1: 5-11.

As is made clear, Godliness and virtue are fruit the believer must grow, to remain in Christ and enter into heaven.

If you Rest in the Gospel you are automatically connected to the vine....it ain’t that you MUST do something ....its more like you WILL do something.....it’s the job of Jesus and the Holy Spirit to see what needs to be done, WILL BE DONE.....*HE* is the One that has the onus to present us to His Father “ Without Blame”...... God said if we put our Trust in His Son, He would “save us to the uttermost “ ...... the monkey is on His back , to put it roughly .....just the way He wants it.....that way, He gets ALL of the Glory and you get nine.....again, just the way He wants it.....

A lot of the Fruit Bearing takes place Inside Of a man, and the self- Righteous Fruit inspectors cant see it....mind your own business.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Speaking of fruit: Jesus warned in John 15 that He is the vine, we are the branches, and anyone who fails to bear fruit is cut OFF the vine of Jesus as a dead branch, and burned.

Which goes along with the parable Jesus taught in Luke 13:6-9 about the fig tree that grew no fruit.

If it still grew no fruit after four years, it gets cut down. Based on that, the believer that bears no fruit in John 15 has four years after salvation before being cut off as a dead branch, and burned.

And Peter says that we must MAKE our calling and ELECTION sure, by adding to our faith the fruit of virtue, patience, Godliness, kindness and love (charity), and IF we do those things, we will never fall, and will enter into heaven, in 2 Peter 1: 5-11.

As is made clear, Godliness and virtue are fruit the believer must grow, to remain in Christ and enter into heaven.

....something to consider ......although this guy may be terrible and showing little evidence of any “Fruit” bearing .....there exists the possibility that he DOES have the Holy Spirit in Him and if not for “that”, He would be ten times worse than what we are witnessing in his sad life....

Let’s say A “ Hot Head” That blew his top fifty times a day, turned to God ( repented) and Asked Jesus to Save Him and got the Holy Spirit in Him as a result of that......wouldn’t he be “ bearing Fruit” if later on in his life he just lost his temper twenty five times a day instead of fifty?

Any man that has done “ HIS” part— which is to Believe the Gospel, will be the same man that benefits from “ God’s Part”—- if he Must produce Fruit to be Saved....
It’s gonna happen, or God is a liar....and He ain’t....

 

[Curtis]

....something to consider ......although this guy may be terrible and showing little evidence of any “Fruit” bearing .....there exists the possibility that he DOES have the Holy Spirit in Him and if not for “that”, He would be ten times worse than what we are witnessing in his sad life....

Let’s say A “ Hot Head” That blew his top fifty times a day, turned to God ( repented) and Asked Jesus to Save Him and got the Holy Spirit in Him as a result of that......wouldn’t he be “ bearing Fruit” if later on in his life he just lost his temper twenty five times a day instead of fifty?

Any man that has done “ HIS” part— which is to Believe the Gospel, will be the same man that benefits from “ God’s Part”—- if he Must produce Fruit to be Saved....
It’s gonna happen, or God is a liar....and He ain’t....

Except belief by itself isn’t our part.

Repentance is part of salvation- Jesus said He came to call sinners unto repentance and said unless we repent we perish. Paul taught repentance toward God and faith towards Jesus is necessary.

Peter said repent and be baptized in Acts 2:38, and we must repent to have our sins forgiven Acts 3:19 - repentance means to change your mind about sin, be sorry for our past sins, and turn to God.

And scripture says if anyone be in Christ they are a new creature - Old things pass away, all things become new.

When born again there is a big change that comes upon us. We don’t continue the same carnal behavior - I believe the OP mentioned sexual sins, too, that would stop if he got saved.

 

[Curtis]

If you Rest in the Gospel you are automatically connected to the vine....it ain’t that you MUST do something ....its more like you WILL do something.....it’s the job of Jesus and the Holy Spirit to see what needs to be done, WILL BE DONE.....*HE* is the One that has the onus to present us to His Father “ Without Blame”...... God said if we put our Trust in His Son, He would “save us to the uttermost “ ...... the monkey is on His back , to put it roughly .....just the way He wants it.....that way, He gets ALL of the Glory and you get nine.....again, just the way He wants it.....

A lot of the Fruit Bearing takes place Inside Of a man, and the self- Righteous Fruit inspectors cant see it....mind your own business.....

You are absolutely wrong. Paul said we are to judge those in the church, and throw the sinner out the door if he’s living sinfully way as a believer, completely refuting your claim.

Co 5:9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—

1Co 5:10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.

1Co 5:11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

1Co 5:12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?

1Co 5:13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

You really need to read the Bible and actually learn what it says.

Christians are to be fruit inspectors of fellow believers.

 

[Curtis]

Everything you've said here . . . none of it actually teaches that the born again might die again, and that interpretation is fully refuted in 1 John 3, and Colossians 3, among others.

Much love!

Paul only warns us about ten times that living sinfully keeps Christians out of heaven - apparently that’s not enough of a warning for those with itching ears who won’t endure sound doctrine.

Paul warns some of the believers that they are defrauding their brethren, (which is stealing, being a THIEF) then warns them that stealing, and other sins, will keep them from heaven:


1Co 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and DEFRAUD and that yourbrethren.


1Co 6:9 Know ye (the brethren) not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? BE NOT DECEIVED: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,


1Co 6:10 Nor THIEVES (such as those who DEFRAUD their brethren, verse 8) nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Another warning by Paul, to the saints of God, about living a sinful lifestyle as a child of God:


Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;


Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh SAINTS.


Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.


Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath ANY inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.


Eph 5:6 Let no man DECEIVE you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the WRATH of God upon the children of disobedience.


Eph 5:7 Be not YE therefore partakers WITH them.

 

[HisLife]

I have no idea what he really means by "Jesus", but by your testimony, whatever that is, it hasn't impacted his life.

Much love!

Your testimony isn't the Gospel.


1 corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

 

[HisLife]

Any opinions about this out there?

It Reminds me of the thief on the cross, what Good works did he have to boast about, I wonder if he knew the Magnitude of his statement "this man has done nothing wrong" And oh yea No one seems to have pointed it out, well done talking to him about spiritual things.

 

[Wynona]

All that aside....what has your experience been since the days that i tried to help you? You appeared to be almost suicidal.....how have things changed for you.....assuming that they have....and I hope things are for the better....I still pray for you.....

Thank you.

I am doing much better. My marriage was in trouble in the past. Now it is flourishing. We are happy and live our days in peace and blessedness.

I do have joy. I do have assurance. I found it in the Scriptures. I used to walk in unrepentant sin and pride. But everything changed when I started reading Scripture for myself.

I was distressed in the past because I had no fruit. I couldn't see it in my life. I had no assurance because the evidence of Christ in my life wasn't there. And because of medical reasons.

But now it is there. We can debate about how it got there. But my point is that its there. Its by God's grace but I had to choose to walk away from the sins that were getting in the way of that fruit bearing.

I don't believe in lucky repentance or that you lose your salvation over every sin.

But we must not cherish sin in our hearts. Sin without repentance leads to unbelief.

At one point, I knew I had messed up. I was ashamed of how I had hurt my loved ones. But a passage in Ezekiel gave me hope.

Ezekiel 18:27
King James Version

27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

And when meant anytime! I was wicked but I could turn and do right today.

God wasn't looking to punish me for my sins. To be angry at me and hold them against me. He just wanted me to turn from them and do right.

That is reassuring to me.