There are no Catholics in Heaven.

[BreadOfLife]

So does transubstantiation have any power to save?

Transubstantiation is simply the transformation of the substance of bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ.

Transubstantiation itself doesn't merit any grace for you. RECEIVING the Body and Blood DOES (John 6:56).

 

[Eternally Grateful]

GOD created you.
He used your mother and father as the MEANS to create you.

The point is I was not until my other and father came together

the Holy Spirit in reality created Jesus body it was not even Mary, she gave the egg

 

[BarneyFife]

GOD created you.
He used your mother and father as the MEANS to create you.

So the church pro-creates salvation. Got it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Thanks
once again, you proved what I said
all people are saved through your church one way or another

"THROUGH", yes - not "BY".

 

[BarneyFife]

Transubstantiation is simply the transformation of the substance of bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ.

Transubstantiation itself doesn't merit any grace for you. RECEIVING the Body and Blood DOES (John 6:56).

And who administers the body and blood? The church. You're just dancing around the truth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Careful, there. Christ was God from conception. We're treading upon holy ground.

Mary did not create God

I am not going to Tread on holy scripture or my savior

 

[BreadOfLife]

The point is I was not until my other and father came together
the Holy Spirit in reality created Jesus body it was not even Mary, she gave the egg

NOT according to the Bible.

Jerome 1:5 says that God "knows" us - BEFORE He creates us in the womb.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

"THROUGH", yes - not "BY".

that is what the op said and what I said, and you said I was wrong

will you show humility and repent you lied?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

NOT according to the Bible.

Jerome 1:5 says that God "knows" us - BEFORE He creates us in the womb.

god is omniscient, of course he knows, he knew before time began

it does not mean I was alive then

 

[BreadOfLife]

And who administers the body and blood? The church. You're just dancing around the truth.

The Church doesn't administer it forcefully.
You must "receive" it - VOLUNTARILY.

That is cooperation with God's grace.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So we are saved by the actions of the church, then. Got it. By; through; Give me a break.

They cannot get out of their own way,

 

[BarneyFife]

NOT according to the Bible.

Jerome 1:5 says that God "knows" us - BEFORE He creates us in the womb.

What is a Jerome?

 

[BarneyFife]

The Church doesn't administer it forcefully.
You must "receive" it - VOLUNTARILY.

That is cooperation with God's grace.

Who said anything about force? I call Straw man

 

[BreadOfLife]

that is what the op said and what I said, and you said I was wrong

will you show humility and repent you lied?

NO - the OP was wrong.
He took what I said in another thread - and just like YOU, twisted it.

I never said that we are saved BY the Church or BY water. I also never said that ONLY Catholics make it to Heaven.
@Behold lies with impunity on this forum and has carte blanche to break any rule he wants.

YOU seem to be following in his footsteps . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

What is a Jerome?

Typo - I meant Jeremiah . . .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Church doesn't administer it forcefully.
You must "receive" it - VOLUNTARILY.

That is cooperation with God's grace.

I received the blood that gave eternal life

because of it, as Jesus promised, I will never hunger never thirst, I will never die, I will live forever, I have eternal life, and I have gods promise that he will raise me

stop working for food which perishes and instead seek the food which endures forever

 

[Eternally Grateful]

NO - the OP was wrong.
He took what I said in another thread - and just like YOU, twisted it.

I never said that we are saved BY the Church or BY water. I also never said that ONLY Catholics make it to Heaven.
@Behold lies with impunity on this forum and has carte blanche to break any rule he wants.

YOU seem to be following in his footsteps . . .

Yet you just said everyone is saved because of your church

get over it dude

your giving your church a bad name

 

[BreadOfLife]

Who said anything about force? I call Straw man

That's okay - I've already called "falsehood" on about 96% of your posts . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yet you just said everyone is saved BECAUSE of your church
get over it dude
your giving your church a bad name

That's another LIE.
Are you ever gonna be honest??

I said that we are saved BY Christ - THROUGH His Church.
We are saved BECAUSE of what Christ did,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Church doesn't administer it forcefully.
You must "receive" it - VOLUNTARILY.

That is cooperation with God's grace.

I cooperate with my boss to get a salary, I cooperate with people to recieve something I earn

grace is freely given. It can not be earned