Eternally Grateful
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AgainIn your view the bible was written by heretics. Anybody can grab a verse that he/she thinks justifies him/her, and then judge others based on that extreme position.
The bible is not meant for private interpretation. You assume that some verses negate other ones...the ones you like.
Jesus would also been seen as a heretic by you.
You can only go in circles with that way of seeing things. Will the meek inherit the Earth? Did Jesus come to condemn the world...as you want to do?
Your reading is very superficial. A new believer has your kind of lopsided view. Have you never been instructed? Are you a new believer?
Some of the problem is with the translation...it is dogmatic...not showing the depth of the statement.
Those who believe INTO (eis) Jesus do the works of heaven...miraculous things that Jesus did. The above statement is from a holiness perspective. How many walk as Jesus walked...in His miraculous power? Do you? Or do you want Jesus to start a religion based on religious beliefs?
Look at the end of Jesus' statement...
John 3:21 But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
At the holiness level of walk, the works come from heaven. Miraculous works. Modern Pharisees read the above verse ...that his BELIEFS might be made manifest (by virtue signalling and pontificating) ...that they are wrought in a religious mind.
Jesus doesn't say that those who fail to enter into Him go to hell. That idea comes from people....indoctrinated religious people. Jesus came to save the world...not condemn the world. But God is holy. If we fail holiness, we can still be saved...as by fire. Read the bible...not just interpret a certain verse the way that negates half of the verses.
Sure. But the people that push that on others don't realize they condemn themselves by pronouncing a holy judgment based on a high standard...impossible for men to do... when they themselves are not even walking in righteousness.
The Pharisees did the same thing as you do with the law...condemning all who didn't do as much as they thought they were doing.
Judge not lest you be judged.
Instead of styling yourself as some kind of teacher...ask questions. A new believer needs instruction in righteousness...as you most obviously do.
practice what you preach.
about everything you said here. You do yourself.
He who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already.
It means what it says. To say it can in any shape or fashion mean somethign else is to make the word null and void.
The rest of the verses are true. He who believes is born again, they end up doing the work,
those who do not believe do not do works because they have not overcome the world. they may fake the world into believing they are doing good. But that is all it is.