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Why do some people think that everyone goes to Heaven in the end?
Only if you mean by potential neighbor that we should evangelize everyone.Well, I don't think everyone will, but I also believe that I haven't been given permission to write anyone off... ever. So, that kind of means that I am to look at everyone as potential "neighbor", doesn't it?
First, these two verses are taken out of context.I would like to believe, myself, that if I can love someone God surely loves that person more. God is surely more merciful and loving than I am. I wouldn't want anyone damned eternally in hellfire. I also think it would be hard to love God very much if He had plans to fry people eternally.
Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
1 Chronicles 16:34 O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever.
we dont have that authority to say who will and who want.. i do believe everyone has the chance to be saved and go to heaven ..but not everyone willWell, I don't think everyone will, but I also believe that I haven't been given permission to write anyone off... ever. So, that kind of means that I am to look at everyone as potential "neighbor", doesn't it?
Why do some people think that everyone goes to Heaven in the end?
You say. We'll see how good an expert you are at getting context right. I've noticed that some people use this "context" thing when they lack much of anything else to say.First, these two verses are taken out of context.
And you are an expert on that subject, I am sure. You can read God's mind perfectly.Second, your viewpoint totally ignores the holiness and justice of God.
And you ignore that later the people who were cast into the Lake of Fire are shown outside the Holy City. Odds are too that you cannot explain why "hell" is also thrown into the Lake of Fire. Talk about neglecting context.Third, it ignores that it says those whose names were not found were cast into the Lake of Fire.
That means they lack a relationship with him. It does not mean they're going to fry in hell eternally.Fourth, it ignores the fact that Jesus said there will be some that say "Lord, Lord" and Jesus will say "Depart from me, I never knew you."
You say. We'll see how good an expert you are at getting context right. I've noticed that some people use this "context" thing when they lack much of anything else to say.
And you are an expert on that subject, I am sure. You can read God's mind perfectly. God's holiness does not depend on torturing people eternally.
And you ignore that later the people who were cast into the Lake of Fire are shown outside the Holy City. Odds are too that you cannot explain why "hell" is also thrown into the Lake of Fire. Talk about neglecting context.
That means they lack a relationship with him. It does not mean they're going to fry in hell eternally.
It is hard to underestimate the importance of loving our neighbors or brothers. God can use the love of one person to influence the fate of many. Remember how God said He was doing favors for Israel, not because they deserved it but because of Abraham? Even now, all Israel has not yet been saved, but they will be.Perfect love (Christ) cast out torment. (1 Corinthians 15:54-55)...Death is swallowed up in victory. [55] O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1 John 4:17-21 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. [18] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. [19] We love him, because he first loved us. [20] If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? [21] And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
1 John 2:5-6
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. [6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
...even as he walked.
It is hard to underestimate the importance of loving our neighbors or brothers. God can use the love of one person to influence the fate of many. Remember how God said He was doing favors for Israel, not because they deserved it but because of Abraham? Even now, all Israel has not yet been saved, but they will be.
Amos 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
I am sure that is at the heart of all who believe in universal salvation for all. Except...that is not what we are in the middle of.I would like to believe, myself, that if I can love someone God surely loves that person more. God is surely more merciful and loving than I am. I wouldn't want anyone damned eternally in hellfire. I also think it would be hard to love God very much if He had plans to fry people eternally.
Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
1 Chronicles 16:34 O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever.
I would not dare impute defects in any of God's creation.I am sure that is at the heart of all who believe in universal salvation for all. Except...that is not what we are in the middle of.
We are not born into a world and race of perfect people, not even. That is not what is written. What is written, is that we are merely "created in the image of God." I could go on to say that we are now a fallen race...but that would mean rushing right past a very important part of our factual reality: We were not even created permanent, not infinite, but finite...not perfect by God's standards, but imperfect, not even born of God, but created. And when it says "created", it describes something very much less than God, but rather more of an image spoken into some alternate reality, made out of nothing, a void.
I would say the "flesh" of this world is part of a temporary illusion. The "image and likeness of God" is next to indestructible. The question we face is if we can see through the illusions of this world while we are still in it.But here we are millennia later, and even science can tell us that time is an illusion and matter is not actually matter, but energy...and we who call ourselves "believers", don't actually believe what the word of God says--but instead, want to believe that we were born, not out of nothing, not a mere image, but something eternal.
Well...that is not what it says.
If we weren't so emotionally attached to our warm and fuzzy flesh, we would realize that the need to be born again, is confirmation of the fact that we were not actually born in the way that we want to believe, but are (like it says) more of an "image" out of nothing. Which means God did not create a bunch of real people only to destroy a bunch of them--it means He kind of sketched us out in a way that means that some will make it to His gallery, and some won't.
I think the thing about pride is that it's unrealistic. It's a pretense. Eventually it has to take a fall. Then maybe people can become realistic.for me it is Daniel 4:37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.
just not prepared to announce God is not able to abase those that walk in pride...even if the overwhelming evidence seems to say otherwise. God said He is a God of the impossible. even Paul spoke of knowing how to be abased, and how to abound. Philippians 4:12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.
That's not exactly what I mean. When are we to cease "evangelizing" a particular person? (Thereby — in effect — making our own personal decision that as far as it concerns us, we did our righteous duty as commanded, and now they can go on to Hell.Only if you mean by potential neighbor that we should evangelize everyone.
When they die.When are we to cease "evangelizing" a particular person?
@Willie T was this not the Calvinist answer you were expecting? LOLWhen they die.
This is not talking about all people, this is talking about the elect if you look at it in context.I do have to say that I have found myself doing some thinking on God not willing any to perish.