Was James confused?

[GodsGrace]

I know that you will have seen this posted already...but here it comes again!!

Obviously myself and KBcid are having the same conversation as yourself and @Stranger ..

You are choosing to add to the finished work of Christ! Matt 5 is easy and so clear..Jesus is getting His point across..obviously 4000 years of not being about to keep the 10 commandment and still not penetrated their thick heads...so He loving shows them here , to get through to them by PROVING that we cannot keep the law in ourselves.

I add nothing to scripture. I know that this cannot be done.
I also take nothing out of scripture. I accept it all.
Jesus knew how to speak really well. Crowds gathered 'round and listened intently to Him.
If He wanted to tell us the commandments were too difficult to keep, THIS is what He would have said.

But no. He made it MORE DIFFICULT to keep the commandments.
Please read Mathew 5 again.
Mathew 5.21
Mathew 5:28

Does that seem to you that Jesus is saying that we cannot keep the commandments, or does it seem to you that He is RAISING THE BAR?
Do you believe Jesus is trying to trick us? Why would He not be clear in His language??

I believe we should take Jesus at His word.

if you believe that with all you striving and effort you will end up being perfect,
I am sorry, you are somewhat if not greatly deluded. It is the impossible task.
Just like all the many verses you quoted from the sermon. Impossible. I would have thought that you could see that clearly and get Jesus' message!

Who's striving?
Who is deluded?
What I'm afraid of is that Easy Believers will be deluded when they're standing in front of Jesus and Mathew 7:23 happens!
Are you encouraging me to sin because it is the impossible task?
It sure seems like it, although I know this is not your intent.

Matt 5: 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said .. Thou shalt not kill; 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Can't you see here that Jesus is so obviously showing them how IMPOSSIBLE it is??
He here raised the bar ABOVE the old ten commandments!!

Interesting. We're using the same verses but understand them differently.

You yourself has said that Jesus is raising the bar.
Is He doing that to confuse us? To make us give up in discouragement? Listen to what you're saying!

What he's saying is that the EXTERNAL keeping of the law is useless. We must keep the law INTERNALLY, with the heart.
The law is no longer written on stone, but in our hearts.
It's MORE DIFFICULT to keep, but also more possible because of the help we receive from the Holy Spirit.

Notice He speaks of- "unless your righteousness" exceeds...etc
We know, because we all can see beyond and after the Cross...these people He was speaking to were still under the old law. We are shown after His death and victory it is no longer a matter of "our righteousness" getting the job of perfection done...BUT HIS!!

This is modern day gobbledygook.

There is no BEFORE Jesus and AFTER Jesus.
What Jesus said goes.
He meant what He said and said what He meant.
This type of talk make Jesus sound dumb, to be frank.
Jesus meant that our righteousness, our BEING RIGHT WITH GOD;
had to get to the heart and not be external.

We become right with God at Justification. This is a work and gift of God. We cannot be righteous with God of our own effort.

BTW, many say that our works are as filthy rags.
Really, it is our own righteos acts that are as filthy rags.
Isaiah 64:6
but read Isaiah 64:5
God is happy with those that do good works.

As with Abraham it was his FAITH which was imputed to him as righteousness.
Salvation is by grace through faith....never ever ever can be by becoming so righteous that we finally in our own effort reach perfection!!

Don't look so scared!
Who said we're ever going to be perfect?

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him."
It is all in and by Him...the Institutions are full of people who have driven themselves crazy by "trying" to be perfect.
I know..I have visited those poor people in those places. Sadly I have not managed to convince them the God sent Jesus to take our place and that -
"He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification." Rom 4

We're good on justification.
But it looks like some do not want to move on to Sanctification.

And those people you visited...
They were trying to get saved by good works.

NO ONE HERE IS SAYING THAT.

 

[GodsGrace]

Some have a hard time letting go, abiding and resting because faith isn't trusted as much as they trust themselves.

Some have been fed a steady diet of a misinterpretation of scripture from pastors, family, etc and are told to follow the stone cold law of The Ten Commandments instead of following the hot ministry of the Spirit or they are doing both, and it's a mixture of law and grace and it's lukewarm, Jesus spits it out.

You can't put new wine into old wineskins, the new wine being the New Covenant and the old wine being the Old Covenant. Some prefer the old wine and like hearing the law preached, embracing law which leads to failure instead of embracing grace which leads to freedom.

When I read the law being preached in the comments, it sickens me and it sickens God too.

Don't you worry Armadillo.
It doesn't make God sick.
Those who think the law is dead make God sick.

I'm not going to post anymore since much has been posted in support of what I've been saying.

Why don't YOU post a verse that states that we are not longer to do the works of God because He might be upset.

What utter nonsense.
Is God supposed to come down here to earth and do our work for us?
Our we not His hands and feet?

HOW does the work of the Kingdom of God get done if WE don't do it?
Do you expect God to do miracles all day long so that YOU don't have to do anything but sit back and enjoy this forum?

Do you not do any good deeds?
You do?
Why?

You don't?
Why?

Try Genesis 1. What does God want from Adam and Eve?
Try Revelation 22:12
Jesus is coming to render unto every man AS HE HAS DONE.
(not as he has believed)

This is AFTER the crucifixion.
If you're one of the types that believes JESUS didn't really mean what He said for over three years...

 

[GodsGrace]

Some have a hard time letting go, abiding and resting because faith isn't trusted as much as they trust themselves.

Some have been fed a steady diet of a misinterpretation of scripture from pastors, family, etc and are told to follow the stone cold law of The Ten Commandments instead of following the hot ministry of the Spirit or they are doing both, and it's a mixture of law and grace and it's lukewarm, Jesus spits it out.

You can't put new wine into old wineskins, the new wine being the New Covenant and the old wine being the Old Covenant. Some prefer the old wine and like hearing the law preached, embracing law which leads to failure instead of embracing grace which leads to freedom.

When I read the law being preached in the comments, it sickens me and it sickens God too.

Why don't you enlighten us and tell us the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant since I've tried and am, apparently, not understood and no one else here has deemed to do this.

Would you like to give it a go?
What's the difference?

Does the New Covenant state that we are no longer to obey the commandments of God?

 

[GodsGrace]

Some have a hard time letting go, abiding and resting because faith isn't trusted as much as they trust themselves.

Some have been fed a steady diet of a misinterpretation of scripture from pastors, family, etc and are told to follow the stone cold law of The Ten Commandments instead of following the hot ministry of the Spirit or they are doing both, and it's a mixture of law and grace and it's lukewarm, Jesus spits it out.

You can't put new wine into old wineskins, the new wine being the New Covenant and the old wine being the Old Covenant. Some prefer the old wine and like hearing the law preached, embracing law which leads to failure instead of embracing grace which leads to freedom.

When I read the law being preached in the comments, it sickens me and it sickens God too.

I sure hope you don't mean ME.
Since you don't know me.
And you should not ASSUME to.

 

[ScottA]

Since the law has not been abolished, as per Jesus who hung on that cross for you and I,
Mathew 5:17 for the umpteenth time

WHY do you tell me that I'm trying to please God by my attempt to keep the law?

Should I go and sin as much as I can?

Are you telling me God does not recognize my good deeds?
Have you not understood John 5:28-29?
Is it too scary for you?

Have you not understood Mathew 7:21-23

Is that too scary for you too?

How about James 1:22

I know James is not liked by some, but it IS in the New Testament.
It IS inspired. It was written by the brother of Jesus. Who better to know?

Please post some verses that say the law has been done away with.
2 Corinthians does NOT say this.
It just proposes a new and better way of keeping it.
Please go through verse by verse as I've done and show me where it says we are no longer to follow the law, or commandments of God.

Whoever continues not to take to heart that it is no longer we who live, but Christ who lives in us, they are those who will continue to take up the law as if it were not already fulfilled. For Christ in one, does not argue with Christ in another.

There is no argument among those who are in Christ, "against such there is no law."

 

[bbyrd009]

Haha! I will just have to add you to my prayer list, that your eyes may be opened to everything that Jesus did 'for you'.

ha ok ty, i need all the help i can get anyway lol.

So, how do you interp "not one jot or tittle?"

 

[Helen]

ha ok ty, i need all the help i can get anyway lol.

So, how do you interp "not one jot or tittle?"

You wont like my answer...but hey...that's what we are here for eh..to chat.
I just can't get as intense as some people do...they post like it is life or death to them to prove their point. But that is all it is..just 'their point' and their view.

So..yes, I do believe that God showed me these answers...and it settled the questions 'for me'.
And really we are firstly getting our own souls safely from A- B... Then like the book Pilgrims Progress..if we fall in step with a fellow traveller along the road..we chat....some have not even seen the first truth of salvation...and all have joined the road at different places in their life.

For me as I already posted ( twice in fact ) The Lord showed me ..that Jesus is elevating the requirements above the law ( ten commandments ) higher in Matt 5.
He is trying to show that it is impossible with man. In Luke 18:27 Jesus said "What is impossible with man is possible with God." But, as we've seen, even in this thread, some still insist in trying to make it possible for man to keep the law and by that reach perfection.
Or they say..we can't keep the law, but God requires that we still obey it.
Then, some will say.."Oh good, then I can live how I like and there is no law for me to fill in God eyes." Which, if there is no true love for God, is true. But as the scripture says ...he himself will suffer loss....no good works. which links us once more back at Rev 3 and the Overcomers.

So, how do I deal with Matt 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, until all be fulfilled."

I say again and will continue to say...Jesus came to totally satisfy the demand of the legal law. Someone had to pay the fine...and Jesus chose to do so.
Double jeopardy def..."No person shall ... be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb." You cannot be charged twice for the same crime. Jesus took our place. He Paid the Law.
Therefore all claims on us by the law is between God and Jesus...because the fine for all mankind has been paid in full.

There, I said you wouldn't like it...but that is the truth of it, no matter how hard the legalists insist that we must try our feeble intents to still obey everything that God require.

I wish they'd show me who has done that yet? Do they think that they have themselves?

If it is really up to us to "obey" everything required of us...then shut shop on Heaven...no one will be needing it from this earth.
have fun....H

 

[GodsGrace]

You wont like my answer...but hey...that's what we are here for eh..to chat.
I just can't get as intense as some people do...they post like it is life or death to them to prove their point. But that is all it is..just 'their point' and their view.

So..yes, I do believe that God showed me these answers...and it settled the questions 'for me'.
And really we are firstly getting our own souls safely from A- B... Then like the book Pilgrims Progress..if we fall in step with a fellow traveller along the road..we chat....some have not even seen the first truth of salvation...and all have joined the road at different places in their life.

For me as I already posted ( twice in fact ) The Lord showed me ..that Jesus is elevating the requirements above the law ( ten commandments ) higher in Matt 5.
He is trying to show that it is impossible with man. In Luke 18:27 Jesus said "What is impossible with man is possible with God." But, as we've seen, even in this thread, some still insist in trying to make it possible for man to keep the law and by that reach perfection.
Or they say..we can't keep the law, but God requires that we still obey it.
Then, some will say.."Oh good, then I can live how I like and there is no law for me to fill in God eyes." Which, if there is no true love for God, is true. But as the scripture says ...he himself will suffer loss....no good works. which links us once more back at Rev 3 and the Overcomers.

So, how do I deal with Matt 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, until all be fulfilled."

I say again and will continue to say...Jesus came to totally satisfy the demand of the legal law. Someone had to pay the fine...and Jesus chose to do so.
Double jeopardy def..."No person shall ... be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb." You cannot be charged twice for the same crime. Jesus took our place. He Paid the Law.
Therefore all claims on us by the law is between God and Jesus...because the fine for all mankind has been paid in full.

There, I said you wouldn't like it...but that is the truth of it, no matter how hard the legalists insist that we must try our feeble intents to still obey everything that God require.

I wish they'd she me who has done that yet? Do they themselves!!

If it is really up to us to "obey" everything required of us...them shut shop on Heaven...no one will be needing it from this earth.
have fun....H

It's difficult to know if you just don't understand scripture or if you purposefully don't WANT to understand it.

It would be nìce if everyone understood what the word fulfill means.
I just checked the internet and it's chock full of its meaning.
Here's just one:

BTW, Until all is accomplished DOES NOT mean until Jesus dies on the cross and completes His mission. It means until earth passes away.
If you don't study, you should read commentaries and learn from them. Not from reading the bible and trying to understand it yourself, which it seems to me many do.

Fulfill does not mean how we use the word today.

PART I

 

[GodsGrace]

FULFILL

PART II


FULFILLL:



What Does It Mean to "Fulfill the Law"?

by Louise Tverberg

Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. Matthew 5:17 (NASB)

A difficult passage for many Christians is Jesus' saying in Matthew 5:17 that he "came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it." A traditional way of interpreting it is to say that when Jesus "fulfilled the Law" he brought it to an end, even though in the next several verses, Jesus says quite forcefully that this isn't true. The key is that the phrase "fulfill the Law" is an idiom, and found several other places in the New Testament and in Jewish sayings from Jesus' time. By studying these passages we can understand the saying more fully. Moreover, we can read Paul's important writings about "fulfilling the law," and see what they mean for us.

"Fulfill the Law" as a Rabbinic Idiom

It will help us greatly to know that the phrase "fulfill the Torah" is a rabbinic idiom that is still in use even today. The word we read as "law" is torah in Hebrew, and its main sense is teaching, guidance and instruction, rather than legal regulation. It is God's instructions for living, and because of God's great authority, it demands obedience and therefore takes on the sense of "law." The Torah is often understood to mean the first five books of the Bible, but also refers to the Scriptures in general. In Jesus' time, and among Jews today, this is a very positive thing - that the God who made us would give us instructions for how to live.1 The rabbis made it their goal to understand these instructions fully and teach people how to live by it.

The translation of "to fulfill" is lekayem in Hebrew (le-KAI-yem), which means to uphold or establish, as well as to fulfill, complete or accomplish.2 David Bivin has pointed out that the phrase "fulfill the Law" is often used as an idiom to mean to properly interpret the Torah so that people can obey it as God really intends. The word "abolish" was likely either levatel, to nullify, or la'akor, to uproot, which meant to undermine the Torah by misinterpreting it. For example, the law against adultery could be interpreted as specifically against cheating on one's spouse, but not about pornography. When Jesus declared that lust also was a violation of the commandment, he was clarifying the true intent of that law, so in rabbinic parlance he was "fulfilling the Law." In contrast, if a pastor told his congregation that watching x-rated videos was fine, he would be "abolishing the Law" - causing them to not live as God wants them to live. Here are a couple examples of this usage from around Jesus' time:

If the Sanhedrin gives a decision to abolish (uproot, la'akor) a law, by saying for instance, that the Torah does not include the laws of Sabbath or idolatry, the members of the court are free from a sin offering if they obey them; but if the Sanhedrin abolishes (la'akor) only one part of a law but fulfills (lekayem) the other part, they are liable. 3

Go away to a place of study of the Torah, and do not suppose that it will come to you. For your fellow disciples will fulfill it (lekayem) in your hand. And on your own understanding do not rely. 4 (Here "fulfill" means to explain and interpret the Scripture.)

 

[GodsGrace]

FULFILL
PART III


Fulfilling the Law as Obedience

There is another sense of the phrase "fulfill the Law", and it is to carry out a law - to actually do what it says. In Jewish sayings from near Jesus' time, we see many examples of this second usage as well, including the following:

If this is how you act, you have never in your whole life fulfilled the requirement of dwelling in a sukkah! 5 (One rabbi is criticizing another's interpretation of the Torah, which caused him not to do what it really intends.)

Whoever fulfills the Torah when poor will in the end fulfill it in wealth. And whoever treats the Torah as nothing when he is wealthy in the end will treat it as nothing in poverty. 6 (Here it means "to obey" - definitely the opposite of "fulfill in order to do away with.")

Interestingly, these two usages of "fulfill" seem to be key to understanding Jesus' words in the passage in Matthew 5 that begins with him speaking about "fulfilling the law."

...Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matt. 5:19)

Here the two actions of "practicing" and "teaching others to do the same" are an exact parallel to the two idiomatic senses of "fulfill," while the words "break" and "teach others to break" are the idiomatic senses of "abolish." So, Jesus' statement about fulfilling and abolishing the Torah is a parallel to this sentence. Parallelism was a very common way of emphasizing an idea in the Bible, and especially for Jesus.7 By understanding the idiom we see that Jesus was emphatically stating his intention, which was to explain God's word and live by it, and not to undermine it.

What does this mean for us?

In the past, the idea that "Christ brought the Law to an end by fulfilling it" has been the traditional rationale of why Christians are not obligated to keep the laws of the Old Testament. We overlook the fact that in Acts 15, the early church declared that Gentiles were not obligated to convert to Judaism by being circumcised and taking on the covenant of Torah that was given to Israel. They are told instead that they must simply observe the three most basic laws against idolatry, sexual immorality and murder, the minimal observance required of Gentile God-fearers.8 The reason Christians have not been required to observe the Torah was not because it has ended, but because we are Gentiles.

Paul, of course was zealous in saying that Gentiles were not required to observe the Torah, when some were insisting that they become circumcised and take on other observances. He himself still observed the Torah, and proved it to James when asked to do so in Acts 21:24-26, but he still maintained that Gentiles were saved apart from observing it. He supported this by pointing out that they were filled with the Holy Spirit when they first believed in Christ, not after they had become more observant of the Torah (Gal. 3:2-5). He also used the example of Abraham, who also was a Gentile who never observed the laws of the Torah that were given 400 years later, but was justified because of his faith. (Gal. 3:6-9) 9

Paul's use of "Fulfill the Law"

The question then becomes, if the Torah is God's instructions for how to live, then are Gentiles entirely excluded from its wonderful truths? Surprisingly, in both Romans and Galatians, after Paul has spent a lot of time arguing against their need to observe the Torah, he actually answers this question by speaking about how they can "fulfill the Law." He says:

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. (Rom. 13:8-10)

For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Gal. 5:14; NASB)

If Paul is using first idiomatic sense of "fulfill the Torah" discussed above, he is saying that love is the supreme interpretation of the Torah - the ultimate summation of everything that God has taught in the Scriptures. He is reiterating Jesus' key teaching about loving God and neighbor that says "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matt. 22:40). The two laws about love are not just more important than the rest, they are actually the grand summation of it all. A later rabbi put it this way: "Love your neighbor as yourself - this is the very essence (klal gadol) of the Torah." 8 Love is the overriding principle that shapes how all laws should be obeyed.

Love as Fulfilling the Torah

Paul also seems to be using the second idiomatic sense of "fulfill the Torah" to say that loving your neighbor is actually the living out of the Torah. When we love our neighbor, it is as if we have done everything God has asked of us. A Jewish saying from near that time has a similar style:

If one is honest in his business dealings and people esteem him, it is accounted to him as though he had fulfilled the whole Torah. 9

The point of the saying above is that a person who is honest and praiseworthy in all his dealings with others has truly hit God's goal for how he should live. He didn't cancel the Law, he did it to the utmost! Similarly, Paul is saying that when we love our neighbor, we have truly achieved the goal of all the commandments. So instead of saying that the Gentiles are without the law altogether, he says that they are doing everything it requires when they obey the "Law of Christ," which is to love one another. For him, the command to love is the great equalizer between the Jew who observes the Torah, and Gentile who does not, but who both believe in Christ. Paul says,

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." (Gal. 5:6)

Other New Testament writers also highlight it the commandment to love as the central law that all must follow. James says, If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right (James 2:8). And finally, John sums up everything in terms of love:

This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. 1 John 4

 

[Truth]

It's difficult to know if you just don't understand scripture or if you purposefully don't WANT to understand it.

It would be nìce if everyone understood what the word fulfill means.
I just checked the internet and it's chock full of its meaning.
Here's just one:

BTW, Until all is accomplished DOES NOT mean until Jesus dies on the cross and completes His mission. It means until earth passes away.
If you don't study, you should read commentaries and learn from them. Not from reading the bible and trying to understand it yourself, which it seems to me many do.

Fulfill does not mean how we use the word today.

PART I

Genesis - This is where GOD extends the Covenant to Isaac ! Chap 26 verse 5 "Because Abraham obeyed, My Voice and Kept My Charge, My Commandments, My Statutes, and My Laws. Abraham believed God, Loved God so He Loved to keep all these! /// Luke Chapt 1 verses 5-6- There was in the days of Herod, the King of Judah, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the order of Abijah. His Wife was of the Daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6- And they were both Righteous before God, Walking in all the Commandments and Ordinaces of the Lord BLAMELESS!!!!!! there are 613 Commandments in the OT, so the High Priest would have to keep many more than the average Joe. I am tired of people saying that no on could keep the Commandments! W W J D!!! this was a money maker, but did anyone read to find out WDJD, what did Jesus do? He Kept the Commandments, He Kept the Feasts, He kept the Sabbath!!! that's what Jesus did, the Apostle Paul said! be you examples of Me as I am Of CHRIST, follow HIM!!! Heaven and Earth are still here, even to a casual observer!

 

[GodsGrace]

Genesis - This is where GOD extends the Covenant to Isaac ! Chap 26 verse 5 "Because Abraham obeyed, My Voice and Kept My Charge, My Commandments, My Statutes, and My Laws. Abraham believed God, Loved God so He Loved to keep all these! /// Luke Chapt 1 verses 5-6- There was in the days of Herod, the King of Judah, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the order of Abijah. His Wife was of the Daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6- And they were both Righteous before God, Walking in all the Commandments and Ordinaces of the Lord BLAMELESS!!!!!! there are 613 Commandments in the OT, so the High Priest would have to keep many more than the average Joe. I am tired of people saying that no on could keep the Commandments! W W J D!!! this was a money maker, but did anyone read to find out WDJD, what did Jesus do? He Kept the Commandments, He Kept the Feasts, He kept the Sabbath!!! that's what Jesus did, the Apostle Paul said! be you examples of Me as I am Of CHRIST, follow HIM!!! Heaven and Earth are still here, even to a casual observer!

Right Truth.
And I've heard that those who even attempt to keep the commandments are just wasting their time because it can't be done.

I do want to say that Jesus did do away with most of the 613 laws. And that God wants us to keep them INERNALLY and not externally, as is stated in Mathew 5.20. Our righteousness must surpass that of the pharisees.

I believe that these passages bother some. They find them disturbing and would rather hang on to the belief that just having faith is enough.

Sometimes I wonder if anyone here could tell me how many times Jesus spoke of salvation or being saved...

Hardly ever! Maybe 5 times.

So what was He talking about in all that preaching and teaching?
Does anyone know?
No. Because churches have brainwashed people to get them to go to church and the best way to do that is to tell them that nothing is required of them because "Jesus did it all".

Many don't know what "fulfill" means.
Many don't know what "till it is accomplished" means.
Some believe that saved persons who believe in works are "under the law".

With so many books available, and the internet, I find it incredible that we don't understand words the same way.

Jesus said to be a light to the world and to make our light shine.
He said we are the salt of the earth.

Sounds like work to me.
But work has gotten a bad name recently.
So some worship a modern God.
Trouble is, He's the same God He's always been !

 

[Armadillo]

I am tired of people saying that no on could keep the Commandments!

But those in Christ Jesus do keep em, love fulfills the law but misery loves company and whenever grace is preached and joy is complete, law bombs get dropped. Freedom from the law isn't easy, it's pride busting and trying to finish the work Jesus already completed on the Cross, is egotistical.

 

[Armadillo]

He kept the Sabbath!!!

So what was He talking about in all that preaching and teaching?
Does anyone know?

Every good Jew kept the Sabbath, Jesus was no exception. On one particular Sabbath day, Jesus read aloud chapter 61 of Isaiah and read verse 1 and just a little bit of verse 2, then sat down and said, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

Jesus preached the Gospel, preached freedom for the prisoners, set the oppressed free, preached the acceptable year of the Lord and Jesus added something to Isaiah, to recover sight to the blind, to open their spiritual eyes to grace! Healing blindness was a big part of Jesus' ministry.

2 Corinthians 4:4, The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God

Luke 4:17-19, and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

“The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

Isaiah 61:1 and part of 2,

The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is on me,
because the Lord has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor

1 Corinthians 1:23, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

 

[GodsGrace]

But those in Christ Jesus do keep em, love fulfills the law but misery loves company and whenever grace is preached and joy is complete, law bombs get dropped. Freedom from the law isn't easy, it's pride busting and trying to finish the work Jesus already completed on the Cross, is egotistical.

Yeah.
That's what I hear lately.
The workers are egotistical.
The ones who don't work are not egotistical. they like to share their love.

God is insulted that we should try to help Him along.
After all HE DID IT ALL.
We have nothing to do but lovey dovey each other.
Just like YOU love ME right now.

Interesting...

 

[GodsGrace]

Every good Jew kept the Sabbath, Jesus was no exception. On one particular Sabbath day, Jesus read aloud chapter 61 of Isaiah and read verse 1 and just a little bit of verse 2, then sat down and said, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

Jesus preached the Gospel, preached freedom for the prisoners, set the oppressed free, preached the acceptable year of the Lord and Jesus added something to Isaiah, to recover sight to the blind, to open their spiritual eyes to grace! Healing blindness was a big part of Jesus' ministry.

2 Corinthians 4:4, The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God

Luke 4:17-19, and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

“The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

Isaiah 61:1 and part of 2,

The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is on me,
because the Lord has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor

1 Corinthians 1:23, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

Sweet.
I have a challenge for ya.

Find out what the main theme of Jesus' preaching and teaching was about.
(it wasn't salvation)

Come back and report.
That would be nice.

 

[Armadillo]

Yeah.
That's what I hear lately.
The workers are egotistical.
The ones who don't work are not egotistical. they like to share their love.

God is insulted that we should try to help Him along.
After all HE DID IT ALL.
We have nothing to do but lovey dovey each other.
Just like YOU love ME right now.

Interesting...

Finally!! Praise God!!

 

[GodsGrace]

Finally!! Praise God!!

Yeah. Cute.
Do what I asked you and then we'll talk again.
But I know you won't.

You might find out stuff you don't really want to know.

 

[Armadillo]

Come back and report.

Only as the Spirit leads.

 

[Armadillo]

Yeah. Cute.
Do what I asked you and then we'll talk again.
But I know you won't.

You might find out stuff you don't really want to know.

You sound like your at the end of your tether.