Was James confused?

[GodsGrace]

Only as the Spirit leads.

HA!!!
What did I just post a moment ago?

Dontcha worry...
YOUR spirit will not allow you to find out anything contrary to what easy believers believe.

What God demands from you is too difficult for you.
I understand.

Read
Mathew 7:13-20 about.
And John 6:28-29

It should wake people up.
But they LOVE to take naps instead.

I'm not sleeping
In the O.T.
But some are sleeping...

 

[GodsGrace]

You sound like your at the end of your tether.

It's very disappointing to speak to Christian type folk who know not their own faith.

Modern Christianity.
Easy Believism
Hyper Grace
Calvinism

Jesus NEVER HEARD of this stuff.
And I DO like to follow Jesus.

Not many do these days, it seems.
Very disappointing indeed.

If that's the end of my, what you said, then yes, I guess I am.

 

[Armadillo]

Matthew 11:28, "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

 

[GodsGrace]

Matthew 11:28, "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

Is that for me?
Thanks A.
I never would have ever thought of that verse.
Ever. Ever.

Can I counter it with this:
Mathew 16:24

How to reconcile??

 

[Armadillo]

It should wake people up.
But they LOVE to take naps instead.

I rest in His goodness and nap the nap of the redeemed, so peaceful knowing there is nothing to fear and my Father will never leave me.

 

[Armadillo]

Can I counter it with this:
Mathew 16:24

How to reconcile??

Ah, that old chestnut always comes out of the woodwork.

 

[GodsGrace]

I rest in His goodness and nap the nap of the redeemed, so peaceful knowing there is nothing to fear and my Father will never leave me.

I hope you're right.
To whom much is given,
much will be required.

 

[GodsGrace]

Ah, that old chestnut always comes out of the woodwork.

You're not going to tell how to reconcile?

 

[Armadillo]

The Holy Spirit will reconcile it for you, ask Him.

 

[GodsGrace]

The Holy Spirit will reconcile it for you, ask Him.

I know how to reconcile it.
But, apparently, YOU don't.

Just remember...
To whom much is given
Much will be required.

You might also want to read
James 3:1-2

 

[Armadillo]

I know how to reconcile it.
But, apparently, YOU don't.

Just remember...
To whom much is given
Much will be required.

You might also want to read
James 3:1-2

You didn't ask Him, I'm not surprised. You'd rather bombard people with your snippy comments.

Taking up the cross meant dying a physical death, being a martyr, for the cause of Christ and to believe otherwise is bondage.

Happy now?

 

[GodsGrace]

You didn't ask Him, I'm not surprised. You'd rather bombard people with your snippy comments.

Taking up the cross meant dying a physical death, being a martyr, for the cause of Christ and to believe otherwise is bondage.

Happy now?

Last post.
Taking up the cross meant physical death, being a martyr.
So you're saying that while Jesus was still alive and preaching, Christians were already dying for Him??

Wrong answer.

 

[Armadillo]

Oh dear, I wish I could help you, but it's out of my hands. Revelation can only come from the Holy Spirit.

 

[Helen]

Oh dear, I wish I could help you, but it's out of my hands. Revelation can only come from the Holy Spirit.

Amen to that...we can but pray..prayer works if there is a teachable , hungry spirit. ✟

 

[Stranger]

Since the law has not been abolished, as per Jesus who hung on that cross for you and I,
Mathew 5:17 for the umpteenth time

WHY do you tell me that I'm trying to please God by my attempt to keep the law?

Should I go and sin as much as I can?

Are you telling me God does not recognize my good deeds?
Have you not understood John 5:28-29?
Is it too scary for you?

Have you not understood Mathew 7:21-23

Is that too scary for you too?

How about James 1:22

I know James is not liked by some, but it IS in the New Testament.
It IS inspired. It was written by the brother of Jesus. Who better to know?

Please post some verses that say the law has been done away with.
2 Corinthians does NOT say this.
It just proposes a new and better way of keeping it.
Please go through verse by verse as I've done and show me where it says we are no longer to follow the law, or commandments of God.

I believe I have explained (Matt. 5:17) already. Not that you agreed to it, but I am pretty sure I already addressed it.

What other reason is there to keep the Law other than please God? Why do you assume I want you to go out and sin as much as you can, just because I say we are not required to keep the Law? Not being required to keep the Law is not synonymous with freedom to sin. The keeping of the Law is a method of walking before God. It was an elementary method. Now the method has changed. We walk not by Law but by the Spirit. Will the Spirit of God teach me to go and sin all I want? Of course not. Will the Spirit of God teach me that the things in the Law are not true? Of course not.

Yes, I understand (Matt. 7:21-23). And I believe I gave my explanation of it in the three page post I gave.

I have no problem with (James 1:22)

(2 Cor. 3:7-11) "...the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious...How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?...if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory...For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."

Just as I explained, there is a new method of walking before God. Walking in the Spirit. If the language here in (2 Cor. 3:7-11) isn't enough to show you that the Law has been done away and a new method is now in place, no other verses will suffice either.

You as a believer are perfectly free to try and keep the Law. Just remember, you and I are in the same boat.

Stranger

 

[GodsGrace]

I believe I have explained (Matt. 5:17) already. Not that you agreed to it, but I am pretty sure I already addressed it.

Yes. You did explain it. It's not that I don't agree with it, it's that fulfill does not mean what many think it does. I posted a whole page on it from sources on the net. Not that I like to use the net for anything, but it DOES make it easy to post writings and the such.

I'll attach it at the end.

What other reason is there to keep the Law other than please God? Why do you assume I want you to go out and sin as much as you can, just because I say we are not required to keep the Law? Not being required to keep the Law is not synonymous with freedom to sin. The keeping of the Law is a method of walking before God. It was an elementary method. Now the method has changed. We walk not by Law but by the Spirit. Will the Spirit of God teach me to go and sin all I want? Of course not. Will the Spirit of God teach me that the things in the Law are not true? Of course not.

Keeping the law pleases God. But no one can keep the law. So what pleases God is first of all our faith in HIM, God Father, as in the O.T.
AND our love for His Son, Jesus whom we are to use as a covering for our sins.
Galatians 3:27
Romans 13:14

But, yes, some do use this idea to live their normal life as before and still feel safe because they have "accepted" Jesus.
I believe we're to be careful not to say that Jesus aboished the Law.
The New Testament is a new way to live the law.
It is now written in our heart and not on stone.
Our love for God makes us WANT to follow the law.
It's not that the law has been abolished.
We walk not under the law,
but under grace.
UNDER THE LAW refers to a different method.
UNDER GRACE refers to a different method.
Since we are under grace, under God's love, we want to serve Him.
This is all true. But we cannot say that the law has been abolished and you've even said that you don't have to obey it...

Yes, I understand (Matt. 7:21-23). And I believe I gave my explanation of it in the three page post I gave.

I have no problem with (James 1:22)

This is the problem:
I KNOW YOU understand these two verses and no matter what your doctrinal belief, it is irrelevant because I know you love God and are following in His ways.

However, the way you speak (and those who speak as you do) and when you come right out and say that you do not have to obey the law.. it DOES make it sound as if the law has been abolished when Jesus said clearly that is has not. Not one jot or tittle has been abolished and those who teach this will be least in the Kingdom.

(2 Cor. 3:7-11) "...the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious...How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?...if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory...For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."

Just as I explained, there is a new method of walking before God. Walking in the Spirit. If the language here in (2 Cor. 3:7-11) isn't enough to show you that the Law has been done away and a new method is now in place, no other verses will suffice either.

But this is what I'm saying!!
The METHOD is different. You even use the same word and believe me, I read this stuff and respond to it as I go along.
We are no longer UNDER THE LAW,
But the law must still be obeyed.
God demands obedience. Why is this difficult to accept.
Did I post to you? It starts in Genesis when Adam and Eve are expelled from the Garden because they disobeyed God, And goes into Revelation 22:12 where Jesus says that He will render to each man as he has DONE. It IS important to keep the law.

You as a believer are perfectly free to try and keep the Law. Just remember, you and I are in the same boat.

Stranger

Maybe. I guess.

 

[GodsGrace]

@Stranger

I forgot to post the definition of Fulfill...
I hope you read it.

Highlights are mine


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What Does It Mean to "Fulfill the Law"?

by Lois Tverberg

Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. Matthew 5:17 (NASB)

A difficult passage for many Christians is Jesus' saying in Matthew 5:17 that he "came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it." A traditional way of interpreting it is to say that when Jesus "fulfilled the Law" he brought it to an end, even though in the next several verses, Jesus says quite forcefully that this isn't true. The key is that the phrase "fulfill the Law" is an idiom, and found several other places in the New Testament and in Jewish sayings from Jesus' time. By studying these passages we can understand the saying more fully. Moreover, we can read Paul's important writings about "fulfilling the law," and see what they mean for us.

"Fulfill the Law" as a Rabbinic Idiom

It will help us greatly to know that the phrase "fulfill the Torah" is a rabbinic idiom that is still in use even today. The word we read as "law" is torah in Hebrew, and its main sense is teaching, guidance and instruction, rather than legal regulation. It is God's instructions for living, and because of God's great authority, it demands obedience and therefore takes on the sense of "law." The Torah is often understood to mean the first five books of the Bible, but also refers to the Scriptures in general. In Jesus' time, and among Jews today, this is a very positive thing - that the God who made us would give us instructions for how to live.1 The rabbis made it their goal to understand these instructions fully and teach people how to live by it.

The translation of "to fulfill" is lekayem in Hebrew (le-KAI-yem), which means to uphold or establish, as well as to fulfill, complete or accomplish.2 David Bivin has pointed out that the phrase "fulfill the Law" is often used as an idiom to mean to properly interpret the Torah so that people can obey it as God really intends. The word "abolish" was likely either levatel, to nullify, or la'akor, to uproot, which meant to undermine the Torah by misinterpreting it. For example, the law against adultery could be interpreted as specifically against cheating on one's spouse, but not about pornography. When Jesus declared that lust also was a violation of the commandment, he was clarifying the true intent of that law, so in rabbinic parlance he was "fulfilling the Law." In contrast, if a pastor told his congregation that watching x-rated videos was fine, he would be "abolishing the Law" - causing them to not live as God wants them to live. Here are a couple examples of this usage from around Jesus' time:

If the Sanhedrin gives a decision to abolish (uproot, la'akor) a law, by saying for instance, that the Torah does not include the laws of Sabbath or idolatry, the members of the court are free from a sin offering if they obey them; but if the Sanhedrin abolishes (la'akor) only one part of a law but fulfills (lekayem) the other part, they are liable. 3

Go away to a place of study of the Torah, and do not suppose that it will come to you. For your fellow disciples will fulfill it (lekayem) in your hand. And on your own understanding do not rely. 4 (Here "fulfill" means to explain and interpret the Scripture.)

PART I

 

[Truth]

Every good Jew kept the Sabbath, Jesus was no exception. On one particular Sabbath day, Jesus read aloud chapter 61 of Isaiah and read verse 1 and just a little bit of verse 2, then sat down and said, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

Jesus preached the Gospel, preached freedom for the prisoners, set the oppressed free, preached the acceptable year of the Lord and Jesus added something to Isaiah, to recover sight to the blind, to open their spiritual eyes to grace! Healing blindness was a big part of Jesus' ministry.

2 Corinthians 4:4, The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God

Luke 4:17-19, and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

“The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

Isaiah 61:1 and part of 2,

The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is on me,
because the Lord has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor

1 Corinthians 1:23, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

So who is are example, and what parts of that example do we Mimic, If Jesus is are example then shouldn't we try to follow that example ?

 

[Armadillo]

So who is are example, and what parts of that example do we Mimic, If Jesus is are example then shouldn't we try to follow that example ?

Mimic? Narcissists mimic.

 

[Armadillo]

You as a believer are perfectly free to try and keep the Law. Just remember, you and I are in the same boat.

Same boat, different rudders? I see two boats, one crashing toward the rocks and the other on course.

James 3:4, Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go.