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I think what should be obvious to all is that death is exactly what it means: a cessation of life, not a continuation thereof. It's a shame I have to climb on here and tell you that death is the opposite of life - where there is death there is no life, and where there is eternal life there is no death.Obviously you are way off base. Do you even understand death?
If Jesus was left any longer the smell wouldn't need understanding!Obviously you are way off base. Do you even understand death?
>>>Does "eternal redemption" mean Jesus will redeem us by shedding His blood over and over for all eternity? Its eternal in its result, not its process."Everlasting destruction": A process that NEVER ends!
So far, you've said nothing in response to the OP, Jack. What's that matter, Cognitive Dissonance kicking in? Don't take the easy way out - we're talking about Jesus and eternal flames of torment, and the question is still on the table:"Death" NEVER means "cease to exist" in the Bible. Hell will be filled with people who wished they "ceased to exist"!
There is now TWO judgments made by God.I'm sorry that you don't believe in "eternal" life. It's the EXACT same Greek word for "eternal" punishment, NEVER ending.
As we all know, the Eternal Torment crowd teaches that the penalty for sin is death...and death = "eternal separation from God in tormenting flames of hellfire". A member of this crowd, Robert Derrick, confirmed this just a couple days ago.
So, if indeed the penalty for sin is death, and death is indeed "eternal separation from God in tormenting flames of hellfire", then what would Jesus have to do to take that punishment upon Himself, take our place in that place of torment, and pay our penalty for sin?
He would have to go to that eternal place of fiery torment and remain there for as long as we were condemned to remain there: for eternity...in torment...in the flames of hellfire. Is Jesus at this moment suffering a sentence of eternal torment for our sin? Then, the penalty for sin IS NOT eternal torment! It's exactly what the Bible says it is: death.
Maybe I need to just keep repeating the same thing to the Eternal Torment crowd so that maybe then it'll sink in:The AC, beast,all wicked rebellious unbelievers will be cast into the LOF forever captured in punishment of eternal torment.
Maybe I need to just keep repeating the same thing to the Eternal Torment crowd so that maybe then it'll sink in:
If the punishment for our sin is eternal torment, then either we must suffer that punishment or someone else must suffer that punishment in our place in order for us to escape it...
...so, is Jesus suffering eternal torment at this moment? If not, then the penalty for sin cannot be eternal torment...
...now, if Jesus is indeed now suffering in eternal torment, then that means the penalty for sin is indeed eternal torment, and Jesus is now paying that penalty for us in full by suffering eternal torment, paying the debt of eternal torment that we owe in full. He's screaming in agony at this very moment burning in flames that somehow will never consume Him or the wicked - blackened, crispy, shrieking Jesus that keeps on burning and burning and shrieking and burning yet somehow never gets completely burned...thank you, Jesus...
...because, if the penalty for sin is indeed eternal torment" then the only way Jesus could pay our penalty for us so that we can escape the penalty of eternal torment is that He be eternally tormented. Not one moment less than eternity in torment, or else the penalty would not be paid...so, thank you, blackened, crispy Jesus, for paying the penalty of our sin which is eternal torment...
...however, if the penalty for our sin is eternal torment but Jesus is not at the moment suffering eternal torment, then our penalty for sin is not being paid and we are still under the penalty of sin...and now we Christians have to become blackened, crispy, shrieking Christians because Jesus is not blackened and crispy and shrieking at the moment because He is not suffering an eternity of eternal torment...
...now, if the penalty for sin is eternal torment and Jesus is not at the moment suffering eternal torment, the eternal torment crowd needs to explain how it is that the penalty for sin is eternal torment but Jesus is not paying that penalty by suffering eternity in eternal torment which is not a moment less than eternity.
If you've come this far, it's time to abandon the asinine stupidity
that the penalty for sin is eternal torment
and embrace the glorious light of truth:
THE PENALTY FOR SIN IS NOT ETERNAL TORMENT...IT IS DEATH. JESUS SUFFERED DEATH - NOT ETERNAL TORMENT - AND BY THAT DEATH OUR PENALTY FOR SIN IS PAID.
Praise God for truth, in all its simplicity and to hell with asinine pagan doctrines that require everyone to check their brains at the door as they walk into church.
Yes, Jesus is burning away in eternal torment, paying our sin debt of eternal torment for us so that we can escape the penalty of our sin which is our having to burn away eternally in eternal torment.Sorry whoever believe this garbage cannot understand God nor his word and needs to seek God in an altar of repentance!
The truth is simple enough for a child to understand so tell me what's wrong with the adults on here?
Amen the penalty for sin is death, then the judgment and all will be revealed and the WHY a person deserves eternal torment!
Owlch that's gotta hurt receiving such common sense questions. We keep banging our heads against the trinity - play havoc with the Scriptures along with immortal soulism.So far, you've said nothing in response to the OP, Jack. What's that matter, Cognitive Dissonance kicking in? Don't take the easy way out - we're talking about Jesus and eternal flames of torment, and the question is still on the table:
If "death" = "eternal torment in the flames of hellfire" and nothing less than an eternity of torment in the flames of hellfire will suffice to pay the penalty of sin, then why isn't Jesus suffering eternal torment in the flames of hellfire for us at this very moment?
ONLY sinners go to Hell. Jesus wasn't a sinner.So far, you've said nothing in response to the OP, Jack. What's that matter, Cognitive Dissonance kicking in? Don't take the easy way out - we're talking about Jesus and eternal flames of torment, and the question is still on the table:
If "death" = "eternal torment in the flames of hellfire" and nothing less than an eternity of torment in the flames of hellfire will suffice to pay the penalty of sin, then why isn't Jesus suffering eternal torment in the flames of hellfire for us at this very moment?
Eternal death?There is now TWO judgments made by God.
Through Adam, the judgment is eternal death, of which we all have inherited.
Through Jesus, the judgment is eternal life, of which we all may now inherit through faith.
KJV John 3:18, 1 John 5:12-13
Interesting so you don't believe he was numbered with the transgressors?ONLY sinners go to Hell. Jesus wasn't a sinner.
"His soul was not LEFT in hell". - PeterONLY sinners go to Hell. Jesus wasn't a sinner.
Are you really implying that Jesus was a sinner? Nothing from Kingdom Hall would surprise me!Interesting so you don't believe he was numbered with the transgressors?
Wow you continue to surprise me a different Jesus.
"His soul" was never in Hell, no matter what Copeland says!"His soul was not LEFT in hell". - Peter