Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

[Grailhunter]

One of many problems with your blasphemy against the holy spirit.

You also misrepresent what is actually written in Hebrews 2.

The nature of angels? Is not that of sinless perfection. Angels rebelled against God in the war in heaven.

The actual Hebrews 2 verse reads like this:
Hebrews 2:16 For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. 17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

Jesus was tempted and suffered,fasting 40 days and nights in the desert.
He did not succumb to temptation because he was made like his brothers in every respect except being divine, he could not have a sin nature.

Why? He was begotten of God.
To insist Jesus had a sin nature is to say God's divine nature shared space with the fallen sin nature.

And while some here do insist Jesus saved himself when he saved us, because they claim he had a sin nature, that's blasphemy against the holy spirit too.

Just curious! How did @Phoneman777 blaspheme the Holy Spirit?

 

[face2face]

You're right.
It is not possible for you to know Immanuel was God.

True because it's nowhere taught in the Scripture.
Id need to go outside of the Bible to learn that knowledge.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Just curious! How did @Phoneman777 blaspheme the Holy Spirit?

The holy spirit is called the spirit of Jesus Christ.

Why Is the Holy Spirit Called,


Anyone who says Jesus was ''just a man'' born with a sin nature is blaspheming the holy spirit.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

True because it's nowhere taught in the Scripture.
Id need to go outside of the Bible to learn that knowledge.

No, it's in the Bible.
You don't see it.
That doesn't mean it isn't there. It means you don't see it.

 

[face2face]

No, it's in the Bible.
You don't see it.
That doesn't mean it isn't there. It means you don't see it.

No I've looked!
I found the Son of Man & the Son of God but God the Son is man-made

 

[Angelina]

Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

I think he had the ability to sin but he did not sin. If he did not have the ability to sin, then he would not make a good sacrifice for sin on our behalf. 2 Corinthians 5:20-21 tells us that he had no sin. That does not mean he was incapable of sin. After all, he was the Son of man, the Son of God....

 

[Mr E]

The holy spirit is called the spirit of Jesus Christ.

Why Is the Holy Spirit Called,


Anyone who says Jesus was ''just a man'' born with a sin nature is blaspheming the holy spirit.

Was Jesus (in your opinion) more than a man? -Like a super-man? Or was he less than a man? -like, lacking some kind of DNA or 'nature' that all other men have?

 

[Grailhunter]

The holy spirit is called the spirit of Jesus Christ.

Why Is the Holy Spirit Called,


Anyone who says Jesus was ''just a man'' born with a sin nature is blaspheming the holy spirit.

The holy spirit is called the spirit of Jesus Christ....? That is very interesting.
It is a unique belief that does not bear up to much scrutiny and it has its variances.
Some believe that the Trinity is not a Trinity at all, but more of a duo, referring to Yahweh's Holy Spirit and Yeshua's Holy Spirit as THE Holy Spirit.

Of course there is a scripture that names the members of the Trinity....
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19

Then you have scriptures that refer to the Spirit of Christ like Romans 8:9 and scriptures that refer to the Spirit of God like Romans 8:14. Some people people believe that these verses are referring to THE Holy Spirit.
Although this is an incorrect interpretation of the scriptures I do not condemn the belief because the fault lays with the lack of definitive information in the scriptures about the Holy Spirit.

Part of the reason for the confusion is the third member of the Trinity was never given a name. Holy Spirit is not a name, it is more of a designation and the scriptures treat the Holy Spirit differently than Yahweh and Yeshua.

If they called the Holy Spirit....Air....then anytime the word air occurred in the scriptures some could interpret it as the third member of the Trinity. This is not the only topic like this and it effectively skews the meaning of the scriptures. Can I blame the people that believe it? No. Beliefs, Truths, Facts.

For example; The scriptures sometimes treat Yahweh and Yeshua differently, referring to Yahweh as God and Yeshua as Lord, sometimes in the same verse. Some examples are; 2nd Corinthians 13:14 Ephesians 6:23, Philippians 4:23, Thessalonians 3:18, Philemon 1:25, 2nd Peter 3:18. It can be a little confusing and it is probably one of the reasons that the Jehovah's Witnesses came up their heresy. Yeshua is generally referred to as 100% God and 100% man and there are variances to that but still define Yeshua as a God.

Yahweh has a Spirit that is Holy....Yeshua has a Spirit that is Holy....and the Holy Spirit has a Spirit that is Holy. But the Holy Spirit is designated as a member of the Trinity. The Holy Spirit is a God and is not any more or less a Spirit than Yahweh or Yeshua.

 

[face2face]

I think he had the ability to sin but he did not sin. If he did not have the ability to sin, then he would not make a good sacrifice for sin on our behalf. 2 Corinthians 5:20-21 tells us that he had no sin. That does not mean he was incapable of sin. After all, he was the Son of man, the Son of God....

I agree with this completely, however most Christians wont agree because for Jesus to be made God he must have had a dual nature a concept not taught in the Bible. As I've said many times the trinity carries with it many issues this being a major one. Jesus had our condemned nature meaning he was a dying man regardless of his sacrifice. He suffered with those he came to save, those in fear of death and enslaved to it. Hebrews 2:14-17

 

[Angelina]

I agree with this completely, however most Christians wont agree because for Jesus to be made God he must have had a dual nature a concept not taught in the Bible. As I've said many times the trinity carries with it many issues this being a major one. Jesus had our condemned nature meaning he was a dying man regardless of his sacrifice. He suffered with those he came to save, those in fear of death and enslaved to it. Hebrews 2:14-17

Sorry. Not understanding your comment. You can't believe in the Trinity if you believe the above post?

 

[Angelina]

because for Jesus to be made God

made God? He was already God [Ephesians 4:9-10] [John 3:13] [John 6:36] but he removed his God abilities [Philippians 2:5-7] and put on human being clothes [tent]...If he had his God abilities, he would not be a suitable sacrifice for sin.

 

[face2face]

made God? He was already God but he removed his God abilities and put on human being clothes [tent]...If he had his God abilities, he would not be a suitable sacrifice for sin.

It's just nowhere spoken of in the Scripture. If Jesus' nature was exactly the same as ours then you would have God dwelling in a condemned nature...and you know what is said about God? 1 Timothy 6:16
Even today Jesus still acknowledges his roots! Revelation 22:16
I get you would like to have it both ways but that's not how God conquered the flesh. Romans 8:1-3

 

[Grailhunter]

I agree with this completely, however most Christians wont agree because for Jesus to be made God he must have had a dual nature a concept not taught in the Bible. As I've said many times the trinity carries with it many issues this being a major one. Jesus had our condemned nature meaning he was a dying man regardless of his sacrifice. He suffered with those he came to save, those in fear of death and enslaved to it. Hebrews 2:14-17

Are you Jehovah's Witness or is there another religion that does not believe Yeshua was divine?

 

[Angelina]

made God? He was already God [Ephesians 4:9-10] [John 3:13] [John 6:36] but he removed his God abilities [Philippians 2:5-7] and put on human being clothes [tent]...If he had his God abilities, he would not be a suitable sacrifice for sin.

Don't know what happened there. I was editing this post and then it disappeared???

 

[face2face]

Are you Jehovah's Witness or is there another religion that does not believe Yeshua was divine?

No not a JW - Yeshua became divine otherwise it would not be an inheritance! How can a man obtain eternal redemption if it was always in his possession?

Hebrews 1:4 Thus he became so far better than the angels as...

The point is mute if Jesus was always far better - it's a nonsensical point! Unless of course his original existence was a little lower than the angels? Jesus cannot be blessed with a name if he always had that name, he cant be given a crown or a throne if it was always his!

If you want to open up a study on what Christ became from his mortal existence to his exalted position, by all means, but dont think for a minute Jesus was divine as a man. You rob him of his sufferings and his glory!

 

[Angelina]

It's just nowhere spoken of in the Scripture. If Jesus' nature was exactly the same as ours then you would have God dwelling in a condemned nature...and you know what is said about God? 1 Timothy 6:16
Even today Jesus still acknowledges his roots! Revelation 22:16
I get you would like to have it both ways but that's not how God conquered the flesh. Romans 8:1-3

He didn't have a sin nature but I believe he was capable of sin. He could not come down as God because it would defeat the whole purpose of dying to sin when you can raise yourself up because you have God powers...

 

[Grailhunter]

No not a JW - Yeshua became divine otherwise it would not be an inheritance! How can a man obtain eternal redemption if it was always in his possession?

Hebrews 1:4 Thus he became so far better than the angels as...

The point is mute if Jesus was always far better - it's a nonsensical point! Unless of course his original existence was a little lower than the angels? Jesus cannot be blessed with a name if he always had that name, he cant be given a crown or a throne if it was always his!

If you want to open up a study on what Christ became from his mortal existence to his exalted position, by all means, but dont think for a minute Jesus was divine as a man. You rob him of his sufferings and his glory!

I do not want to interrupt your conversation with Angelina, I am just wondering if this is a denominational belief or a personal belief?
Of course I disagree with everything you "said" but we can talk about that later.

 

[BeyondET]

Adam and Eve had shut spiritual eyes until they ate, man knows good and evil because of that its not a mystery. man sees because of that sin but is not a born prone thing its the ability to do it.

 

[Taken]

Telling the truth is arrogant.....?

No. Nor did anyone say speaking the truth is arrogant.

LOL

That was foolish. Laughing as though someone did say the truth is arrogant, when no one said so.

You just do not like the truth.

That was false. No one said they do not like the truth.

Now...has anybody told you that you are like a nagging wife?

That was was arrogant and snarky.

Get back to the topic.

Now that you laughed at what you thought was a funny response to an (unanswered) question that you asked, made a derogatory false claim, made an arrogant snarky accusation....NOW, you expect that person to get back to the topic...and trust that when you explain things it’s neutral?

Interesting.
Seems more like AFTER you have your BROWBEATING fest, then your expectation is to have civil conversation with that person.

Just observing...
@PinSeeker

 

[Taken]

Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

Hmmm... Satan knew exactly Who Jesus was, Blue Dragonfly. And still does, and always will. He could tempt Jesus, because he was well aware that Jesus, though God, had emptied Himself and taken the form of man, just as Paul said in Philippians 2. Of course, Satan knew that long before Paul actually wrote it...

Grace and peace to you.

Tempt is a funky word.
Yes a man can be Tempted, while not being Tempted.
A Tempt-ER is one who Attempts to coheres VIA offering something as a Tempting Ploy, To entice another to do something they would not otherwise do.

A person Considering the “enticing Offer”...IS thus “TEMPTED” to act on the “enticing Offer”.

A person Rejecting the “enticing Offer”...WAS Tempted, but NOT Tempted to act on the Offer.

Men Tempted God...10 times. And there after God said...thou shalt NOT Tempt the Lord your God.

Satan is very familiar with Scripture which IS KNOWLEDGE.
Satan is NOT familiar with Understanding the KNOWLEDGE.

Understanding the Knowledge, is a gift from God, given to the Saved.
That does not apply to Satan. Satan still operates on arrogance, and utterly does not Understand he is doomed.
No doubt Satan is very powerful...but just doesn’t get, his power will never supersede Gods Power.

Glory to God,
Taken