We are eternal beings!

[Aunty Jane]

I no longer argue with false christ creators, which is why I've ceased to bother with you, once I found out who you really are.

There are always one or two Scriptures that prove a teaching is false, which false teachers must plainly reject. Once they do so, then there is a whole row of other Scriptures pertaining to their lie, that must be twisted as well. That is why it is pointless to go down that road of endlessly useless debate.

There is one Scripture alone, that is enough to reject any created christ: John 1:1

There is one Scripture alone, that is the enough to reject mortal soul theology: Acts 2:31

The jehovah idolators are nothing but modern type gnostics, that revel in the intellectual stimulation of long-winded pseudo scholarship, just to change truth of Scripture into a lie. They are exactly the same as the argumentative fable-producing rabbi's of old, whom they worship as fathers and try to emulate:

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men.

They don't know God. The don't have the Spirit of God. They have no life of Christ in their dead souls. And now with this mortal soul stuff they have shown their mocking of Scripture plainly speaking the spiritual things of the soul, vs the natural mortal things of the body:

But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

The only thing better about them than OSAS hypocrites, is that they do command outward holiness, and they do not make the grace and blood of Jesus Christ a derided laughingstock to the world. That is simply because they have no grace nor blood of the Lamb washing them clean from within. Which is why they never speak of such things.

And there you have the very reasons why Jesus must “separate the sheep from the goats”.....
John 6:44; John 6:65.....‘NO ONE can come to the Son, without an invitation from the Father’.
So, no matter how confident we are in our stance, it won’t alter the truth one iota.

The truth is very confronting when you have put so much store in an ancient string of lies, and it takes a humble “few” with God’s spirit to accept an inconvenient truth in the face of such opposition. (Like the first Christians did)
The “many” will read direct statements and dispel them with misinterpreted verses that only vaguely suggest what people want to believe. It’s the hated minority who will survive the end of this world....not the “many” who have swallowed satan’s lies for centuries and will hold on to them right down to the end. They will make their excuses, but to no avail. (Matthew 7:21-23; Matthew 5:11-12; John 15:18-21) History is repeating like it always does, but no one seems to notice.
No one here will be able to say that nobody told them.....

Just to be clear....I have never hidden who I really am....but I don’t recall you admitting who you really are.....what are your own affiliations?

 

[Aunty Jane]

I no longer argue with false christ creators, which is why I've ceased to bother with you, once I found out who you really are.

There are always one or two Scriptures that prove a teaching is false, which false teachers must plainly reject. Once they do so, then there is a whole row of other Scriptures pertaining to their lie, that must be twisted as well. That is why it is pointless to go down that road of endlessly useless debate.

There is one Scripture alone, that is enough to reject any created christ: John 1:1

There is one Scripture alone, that is the enough to reject mortal soul theology: Acts 2:31

The jehovah idolators are nothing but modern type gnostics, that revel in the intellectual stimulation of long-winded pseudo scholarship, just to change truth of Scripture into a lie. They are exactly the same as the argumentative fable-producing rabbi's of old, whom they worship as fathers and try to emulate:

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men.

They don't know God. The don't have the Spirit of God. They have no life of Christ in their dead souls. And now with this mortal soul stuff they have shown their mocking of Scripture plainly speaking the spiritual things of the soul, vs the natural mortal things of the body:

But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

The only thing better about them than OSAS hypocrites, is that they do command outward holiness, and they do not make the grace and blood of Jesus Christ a derided laughingstock to the world. That is simply because they have no grace nor blood of the Lamb washing them clean from within. Which is why they never speak of such things.

And there you have the very reasons why Jesus must “separate the sheep from the goats”.....
John 6:44; John 6:65.....‘NO ONE can come to the Son, without an invitation from the Father’.
So, no matter how confident we are in our stance, it won’t alter the truth one iota.

The truth is very confronting when you have put so much store in an ancient string of lies, and it takes a humble “few” with God’s spirit to accept an inconvenient truth in the face of such opposition. (Like the first Christians did) Did Jesus side with the flawed majority? Who created that flawed majority? (John 8:44) The sower of the weeds.....something that took place centuries ago.

The “many” will read direct statements and dispel them with misinterpreted verses that only vaguely suggest what people want to believe. It’s the hated “few” who will survive the end of this world....not the “many” who have swallowed satan’s lies for centuries and will hold on to them right down to the end. They will make their excuses, but to no avail. (Matthew 7:21-23; Matthew 5:11-12; John 15:18-21)
No one here will be able to say that nobody told them.....

Just to be clear....I have never hidden who I really am....but I don’t recall you admitting who you really are.....what are your own affiliations?

 

[robert derrick]

Any intelligent person can see that "Abraham's Bosom" is a symbolic, poetic reference to something else. No thinking person believes all the dead saints immediately go sit on another man's chest hair as soon as they die, but it seems you think that's exactly the case since the idea of symbolic poetry is foreign to you.

More mocking the things of the Spirit by the natural man, that obviously wants to prove Scripture true over and over again.

 

[robert derrick]

And there you have the very reasons why Jesus must “separate the sheep from the goats”.....
John 6:44; John 6:65.....‘NO ONE can come to the Son, without an invitation from the Father’.

The spiritual drawing of Christ is now and today, not later.

You apply the sheep and goats of later for yourself, because you trust in the natural hope of Adam: to be living immortally in the flesh on this earth.

It was the lie believed from the serpent then, and now, to become as immortal gods in the flesh, which the spiritual dead vainly wish for, while also sinning with the flesh against Christ.

 

[Phoneman777]

More mocking the things of the Spirit by the natural man, that obviously wants to prove Scripture true over and over again.

I'm sorry, but it's not reasonable to believe all the "souls of dead saints" literally reside in literal Abraham's bosom. A blind man can see that Jesus is speaking in symbolic language - but the spiritually blind will never see.

 

[Phoneman777]

More mocking the things of the Spirit by the natural man, that obviously wants to prove Scripture true over and over again.

Matthew specifically says "in all these things spake Jesus in parables, and without a parable spake Jesus not unto them" - the Jews. Got it? What were the "parables" Jesus spoke to the people? Well, one of them was The Rich Man and Lazarus!!!

So, please stop characterizing excerpts from the Word of God as blasphemous.

 

[Phoneman777]

The spiritual drawing of Christ is now and today, not later.

You apply the sheep and goats of later for yourself, because you trust in the natural hope of Adam: to be living immortally in the flesh on this earth.

It was the lie believed from the serpent then, and now, to become as immortal gods in the flesh, which the spiritual dead vainly wish for, while also sinning with the flesh against Christ.

You'd see, if only you had Holy Spirit discernment, that the separation of the sheep and goats takes place at the only point in history when everyone who's ever been born will be alive and standing before God.

You'd see that when Jesus comes in earth-shaking, ear-splitting, blazing glory, "the dead in Christ shall rise" to Him in the air along with the living saints and return "to a place prepared for them" in heaven for a 1,000 years while the wicked "at the brightness of His coming" drop dead in their tracks "from one end of the Earth, even to the other end of the Earth. They shall not be gathered, nor buried, nor lamented, but they shall be dung upon the ground".

You'd see that the separation of the sheep and the goats takes place 1,000 years later when New Jerusalem is transported to the Earth with Jesus and the saintly sheep on the inside at the same time the Resurrection of the Damned takes place and the City is surrounded by the wicked goats on the outside, just before "fire came down from God out of heaven and destroyed them all".

 

[Aunty Jane]

The spiritual drawing of Christ is now and today, not later.

The separating is certainly taking place as we speak....we are demonstrating who we support in this “time of the end” by our words and actions. But no one is trapped in either designation until Christ comes as judge. “Just as the days of Noah” Jesus said it would be. (Matthew 24:37-39) Back then, the door of opportunity was not closed until Yahweh closed the door of the ark, sealing the fate of all who were outside of it......and guaranteeing the safety of all on board.
Peter said that what corresponds to Noah’s ark is our baptism....our solemn dedication to Yahweh as faithful disciples of his Christ. (1 Peter 3:18-21)

You apply the sheep and goats of later for yourself, because you trust in the natural hope of Adam: to be living immortally in the flesh on this earth.

There never was a hope of Adam to “live immortally in the flesh”. The death penalty for disobedience would have been meaningless if the humans had been immortals. Humans were given opportunity to “live forever” in their mortal flesh, with access to “the tree of life” (Genesis 3:22-24).....it required their continued obedience. It is all God has ever asked of his children.
Adam knew what the death penalty meant, and he was not deceived by the serpent as his wife was. (1 Timothy 2:13-14)

Adam made a deliberate choice to side with his wife and to die with her, rather than to obey his God and lose her. Satan divided his loyalties and gained the entire human race that would descend from them as his own. All he wanted was their worship and he sacrificed them to gain it. He lied about the death penalty.

The result could have been vastly different if Adam had exercised his free will in obeying his Creator....but he chose badly and we have all paid for that....but not in vain, because in allowing the devil to test the free will of all of his children (both in heaven and on earth) God gets to keep only those whose faith is tried and tested. In the “new earth” to come, all citizens will be faithful worshippers of the one true God, (2 Peter 3:13) and after the final test when the thousand years is up, Satan and his hordes will be destroyed.....never interfere with God’s purpose again. (Revelation 20:1-3)

It was the lie believed from the serpent then, and now, to become as immortal gods in the flesh, which the spiritual dead vainly wish for, while also sinning with the flesh against Christ.

I find it so fascinating to read the different interpretations of the very same scripture and to read yours just makes me scratch my head....

Please read this parable again.....Matthew 25:31-46...and note what Jesus said...

The sheep and the goats is an interesting parable for a few reasons....
1) Sheep and goats were both herded by Jewish shepherds as both were clean animals for both food and sacrifice. So this is not a separation of clean and unclean animals.

2) Jesus notes that their actions towards his “brothers” was different however. The sheep assist even the least of these ones in their trials, whilst the goats do not.

3) This final separating takes place at the judgment when Christ and his angels along with those of the resurrected elect, all take part in the carrying out of the sentence against the goats, consigning them to the place reserved for Satan and his demons....the lake of fire, which is not “hell” but a place where things are forever destroyed. But Satan and his demons are sent somewhere else...the “abyss”....a prison or place of confinement for the full term of the Kingdom’s 1,000 year rule. (Revelation 20:1-3) These will then be unable to interfere with the spiritual and physical restoration of the human race under the watchful care of Christ and his elect.

We came to understand the similarities between Jesus’ words as recorded at Matthew 24:29-31 and those at Matthew 25:31-32. The logical conclusion was, that the rendering of judgment on the sheep and the goats will take place after ‘the tribulation’ mentioned at Matthew 24:29-30. It is after this tribulation breaks out that the Son of man ‘arrives in his glory.’ . . . Then, with satan’s entire wicked system at its foretold end, Jesus will render and execute judgment, with the authority that his Father gave him. (Matthew 28:18)

The defining difference between the sheep and the goats is their attitude and actions towards Christ’s “brothers” who are his elect on earth in these last days. These are “sons of God” by adoption, and therefore Christ’s “brothers” who are granted places in his kingdom as “kings and priests” for redeemed mankind. (Revelation 20:6)

If Jesus was God, he would be their Father, but nowhere are these called ‘sons of Jesus’. Yahweh is the Father of all of them, recreating these former humans by resurrection.....”born again” as spirit beings, who will join their King in heaven to rule over earthly subjects. They are a finite group with a special anointing....a “heavenly calling” as “saints”. (Hebrews 3:1) This word has been grossly distorted by Christendom. They are all of God’s choosing and no man can say that they are going to heaven without it. It goes beyond mere conviction or belief.

Those at the judgment who have false hopes will be astonished at Jesus’ rejection of them. (Matthew 7:21-23) The “goats” have no idea how they have failed the test of assisting Christ’s “brothers”....but they have failed to recognise them for who they are....even rejecting them as such, just as the Jews did to Jesus and his disciples in the first century, under the influence of their corrupt religious leaders. So sure in fact, that they even cursed themselves with Jesus’ blood. (Matthew 27:25)

The “sheep” have assisted Christ’s “brothers” as a natural part of their daily lives.

Jesus will let us all know who has passed the test and who has failed.....God already knows but the door is not closed ...yet. There is still time to secure a place in the earthly realm of God’s kingdom for those whom God “draws” and invites to become citizens of his incoming kingdom. (John 6:44, 65) They will be a hated and opposed minority. (John 15:18-21)

 

[robert derrick]

Matthew specifically says "in all these things spake Jesus in parables, and without a parable spake Jesus not unto them" - the Jews. Got it? What were the "parables" Jesus spoke to the people? Well, one of them was The Rich Man and Lazarus!!!

So, please stop characterizing excerpts from the Word of God as blasphemous.

All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them. (Matthew 13)

Scripture always informs us when parables are being spoken of, as well as allegory and mysteries, as opposed to true events.

By applying that verse as context to any and all Scripture you wish, you open the door to making any Scripture into parable, myth, and legend only.

That includes the sun standing still, crossing the dry sea bed, a certain man of Bethlehemjudah, and the virgin birth of Jesus.

You prove you are a natural minded person, that agrees there are good principles in the Bible, but it is only another book of men with many myths and legends.

 

[Phoneman777]

All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them. (Matthew 13)

Scripture always informs us when parables are being spoken of, as well as allegory and mysteries, as opposed to true events.

Always? In that case, you better get busy preaching that trees can walk, talk, and make horrible life choices since Jotham never "informed us" he was speaking in parables, right?

 

[robert derrick]

Back then, the door of opportunity was not closed until Yahweh closed the door of the ark, sealing the fate of all who were outside of it......and guaranteeing the safety of all on board.
Peter said that what corresponds to Noah’s ark is our baptism....our solemn dedication to Yahweh as faithful disciples of his Christ. (1 Peter 3:18-21)

Saints in Christ Jesus are reborn, baptized, and sanctified unto the resurrected Yahweh Jesus Christ.

All other christs are false, especially the created ones. Jesus is the only true Christ and God.

Humans were given opportunity to “live forever” in their mortal flesh, with access to “the tree of life” (Genesis 3:22-24).....it required their continued obedience. It is all God has ever asked of his children.

The tree of life is for the soul, not the mortal body: Those who confess Jesus Christ as Lord and God, are now eating of the tree of life freely,

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

The tree of life is the spiritual flesh and blood of the Lamb of God.

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

The natural man rejects this as offensive, since all they know is mortal flesh and blood.

Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it

When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Adam knew what the death penalty meant, and he was not deceived by the serpent as his wife was. (1 Timothy 2:13-14)

Adam did not know, nor does the naturally minded today want to know, that God speaks of the soul dying in the very day, that any man sins with the devil against Christ.

And Adam didn't believe God at all about any dying, which is why he sinned against Him. Disobedience is proof of unbelief.

But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

There never was a hope of Adam to “live immortally in the flesh”.

The vain hope of Adam was and still is immortality of the physical body on this earth, as gods unto themselves, doing both good and evil as they choose.

Humans were given opportunity to “live forever” in their mortal flesh, with access to “the tree of life” (Genesis 3:22-24)....

This is the false hope of all natural Adams, that the physical body was ever made to be immortal, rather than all flesh on earth being naturally mortal.

The death penalty for disobedience would have been meaningless if the humans had been immortals.

The death penalty for sinning is only for the soul, which is meaningless to the natural mind, that has not the Spirit nor Jesus Christ dwelling within.

Adam made a deliberate choice to side with his wife and to die with her, rather than to obey his God and lose her. Satan divided his loyalties and gained the entire human race that would descend from them as his own. All he wanted was their worship and he sacrificed them to gain it. He lied about the death penalty.

I also thought as a sinner, that Adam did it for his wife, because he loved her too much.

Adam sinned with the devil, because he rejected God's commandment not to. He already agreed with the devil, that God is unjust to punish disobeying Him.

Eve was decieved, and Adam didn't want to believe the death penalty, because he didn't want to keep the commandment.

Satan divided his loyalties and gained the entire human race that would descend from them as his own.

The only souls Satan gains are those sinning with Him against Christ, even as Adam did.

The lie of the devil is that he is a creator and maker of his own people by birth into the world. He failed to become as the Lord Himself, and be a creator as the Lord God, but he continues to lie about it to natural theologians, that preach all men are born sinners of the devil into the world.

He lied about the death penalty.

Yes he did. He said they would not surely die, and they did surely die that day.

His current lie is that they did not die that day, which natural men believe, because they reject the spiritual things of the soul. And natural theologians only give lip service to a mortal soul that is only a physical body, and not spiritual as angels at all.

.but he chose badly and we have all paid for that...

This is the expression of those that blame their sinning on being born with it. The only one paying the price of sin, is the one sinning. No man pays for the price of another man's sin, neither the father nor the son:

They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.

The unbelievers blame sin on birth, saying Adam is why all men sin:

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Only the soul that sins, is put to death for sinning:

But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

I find it so fascinating to read the different interpretations of the very same scripture and to read yours just makes me scratch my head....

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

If Jesus was God, he would be their Father, but nowhere are these called ‘sons of Jesus’.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

God has written Scripture so that any and every lie against the truth of God, is plainly exposed, and the false teacher must either change it or reject it openly.

I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

God is Father of all spirits, and the Son is Father to all given unto Him by the Father: all that is the Father's is the Son's, and all that is the Son's is the Father's.

 

[robert derrick]

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God is immortal, and so are they created ini His image, whether angel with eternal spiritual bodies in heaven, or men with naturally mortal flesh while on earth.

Hebrews 1-2 is all about rebuking the lie that Jesus Christ was a created angel and being, who became a man.

Jesus Christ is the Creator and Maker of all things, whether spiritual or natural, and those made in His image are the same as He in immortality.

However, immortality can be a blessing or a curse, whether in fellowship forever with Christ, or in shame and torment forever separated from God.

 

[robert derrick]

Further proof that the soul is not the body, but that man is a living soul taking on mortal flesh for a season:

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.

We take part in flesh and blood. We are not just flesh and blood as the natural man imagines.

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Christ did not take on Himself the spiritual bodies of angels, in order to minister to man on earth, but Christ took on him a natural body of flesh by the seed of Abraham and of David.

Souls of men on earth are clothed in mortal flesh, which is why we are made a little lower than the angels with spiritual bodies, which included the Word Jesus Christ:

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Scripture of God reveals the spiritual nature of all men and angels, which the natural man rejects, and the natural theologian gives lip-service to.

Antichrists reject Christ came in the flesh, but was only a spirit appearing as in a man's body. Natural theologians also reject Jesus Christ came in the flesh, in that He was not alive before becoming a man in the flesh.

Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me.

Christ was God the Word, before He came down from heaven, to inhabit a body of flesh prepared for Him by the Holy Ghost in the womb of a virgin, whose flesh was from the mortal seed of David and Abraham and Noah and Seth and Adam.

 

[robert derrick]

So, no matter how confident we are in our stance, it won’t alter the truth one iota.

True

The truth is very confronting when you have put so much store in an ancient string of lies, and it takes a humble “few” with God’s spirit to accept an inconvenient truth in the face of such opposition.

True again.

The “many” will read direct statements and dispel them with misinterpreted verses that only vaguely suggest what people want to believe.

True again and again, including making parables of Scripture, where no parable is spoken of by Scripture.

It’s the hated “few” who will survive the end of this world....not the “many” who have swallowed satan’s lies for centuries and will hold on to them right down to the end.

True again and again and again: including the later modern inventions.

Things are so much clearer without the endless string of Scriptures opposed from one side and the other, that will never meet.

It begins when one side departs from the simplest of Scriptures:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[amigo de christo]

WORLD and all that dwells upon earth , You have a choice . ETERNAL LIFE or ETERNAL DAMNATION .
IF ya want eternal life , RUN TO JESUS CHRIST and make sure its HIM and not some other jesus .
LEARN those bibles well .

 

[robert derrick]

You'd see, if only you had Holy Spirit discernment, that the separation of the sheep and goats takes place at the only point in history when everyone who's ever been born will be alive and standing before God.

You'd see that when Jesus comes in earth-shaking, ear-splitting, blazing glory, "the dead in Christ shall rise" to Him in the air along with the living saints and return "to a place prepared for them" in heaven for a 1,000 years while the wicked "at the brightness of His coming" drop dead in their tracks "from one end of the Earth, even to the other end of the Earth. They shall not be gathered, nor buried, nor lamented, but they shall be dung upon the ground".

You'd see that the separation of the sheep and the goats takes place 1,000 years later when New Jerusalem is transported to the Earth with Jesus and the saintly sheep on the inside at the same time the Resurrection of the Damned takes place and the City is surrounded by the wicked goats on the outside, just before "fire came down from God out of heaven and destroyed them all".

So, you allow Revelation 19 to be a real event, and not just an allegory or parable? That's generous of you. And the ones that are the beast and false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire alive.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

The sheep and goats are the remnant on earth after the war with the Lamb. The goats are the remnant with the mark of the beast, and the sheep will remain alive to live during His reign on earth. It will be a new start on earth with neighborly sinners, that become fast believers.

None of them are the resurrected saints retuning with Him from the air, because none of them know the Lord nor why the Lord is commending them. Saints are not ignorant of Jesus as Lord and God, nor of the work of faith they do daily in His name.

The resurrected saints will rule with Him on earth over the natural sheep and their descendants for a thousand years, while Satan will have no power to tempt anyone.

You'd see that the separation of the sheep and the goats takes place 1,000 years later when New Jerusalem is transported to the Earth with Jesus and the saintly sheep on the inside at the same time the Resurrection of the Damned takes place and the City is surrounded by the wicked goats on the outside, just before "fire came down from God out of heaven and destroyed them all".

I'm not sure how you got this convoluted, since Scripture is plainly written another way. Perhaps you aren't used to actually trying to take Scripture as written, rather than having fun parabolizing it into something else.

At the end of Christ's millennial reign on this earth, there will be a final war with Satan and his gathered armies. They will gather around this Jerusalem, which will have been the holy city of God once again on this earth, since the Lord reigned there on David's throne. The armies will be destroyed with the old earth by fire coming our to heaven. Then will come the fulfillment of Daniel 12 and the final judgement of all the rest of the dead, that were not in the first resurrection of all the saints since righteous Abel, at the Lord's return to this earth. The new heaven and earth will then be created, and the New Jerusalem will descend from the new heaven upon the great mount of the new earth.

 

[robert derrick]

Always? In that case, you better get busy preaching that trees can walk, talk, and make horrible life choices since Jotham never "informed us" he was speaking in parables, right?

And so now, you are reduced to a man speaking an allegory about himself and others, as being the same as Jesus revealing the truth of hell.

Therefore, even worse now, everything in Scripture to you, is nothing but allegory.

Which is true, wherever you want it to be.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Aunty Jane]

True again and again and again: including the later modern inventions.

The scriptures indicate that when Christ was to return, there would be an earthly “sign” of his “presence” (parousia), which is a separate event to his “coming” as judge with his angels for the judgment......but they do not tell us when the “last days” will end. (Matthew 24:3-14)

Undoubtedly we are in “the time of the end” right now, and we can all see that the world is in tremendous turmoil, which will ultimately lead to “the great tribulation” and “the end” of satan’s entire system of world rulership. No system of government has proven to be successful and a new global system is going to be implemented. Will humans support it? Those who have “the mark of the beast” will, because it is "the beast" who is backing it.

It was at this troubled time that God foretold a “cleansing, whitening and refining” of his worshippers....also an “abundance of knowledge” would be made available so that no one had an excuse to retain the ‘unclean’ and ‘impure’ worship that the devil has sown in the world from the post apostolic period. (Daniel 12:4, 9-10) God revealed to Daniel a vision of the world we are living in now. He recorded his book some 500 years before Christ walked the earth and he was told to "seal up the book" because only at this time would its contents be understood.

Do you understand why God needed to take us here?
Christendom today, is a mirror image of Judaism in the first century.....it is about to be brought to justice for the lies it has perpetuated for centuries. As part of “Babylon the great” it is about to answer for all the errors it has promoted about God and his Christ. We are told to “get out of” that religious organization, aptly portrayed as a harlot....in bed with God's enemies. (Revelation 18:4-5)

Things are so much clearer without the endless string of Scriptures opposed from one side and the other, that will never meet.

Again God permits this situation and foretold it because it will help to “separate the sheep from the goats”. Only the "goats" will embrace the devil’s lies because God himself is the one “drawing” the "sheep" by revealing his truth only to them. (John 6:44; John 6:65) The goats are free to embrace the lies because they love them. Can you not see history repeating? Christendom today corresponds to Judaism of the first century......Jesus’ first appearance was met with the same situation in the Middle East, as we see now globally with Christendom. The majority of Jews rejected Christ under the influence of their religious leaders, whom Jesus said, were bound for “Gehenna” (eternal destruction not hell). “Blind guides” he said they were, who prevented their people from entering the kingdom.

Today, we see again, the religious leaders promoting the ancient lies and influencing their members to hate and oppose the true disciples of Christ who bear witness to his teachings, and separate themselves from a world in utter turmoil under satan’s rulership. Christendom is so busy trying to be “friends with the world” that they have neglected “friendship with God”. (James 4:4) Their judgment is coming.

It begins when one side departs from the simplest of Scriptures:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

And the error of the interpretation of this verse is the primary reason why so many were misled into believing that Jesus is Almighty God, when so many scriptures state clearly that he is not, nor could he ever have been Yahweh in the flesh. Those who understand the mechanics of the ransom will not accept that Jesus needed to be "God" to give his life for humankind. Redemption required a life that corresponded to Adam’s. Adam was not God....but he was sinless. All Jesus needed to be was “sinless”, something that God provided in the person of Jesus, the sinless human. In his death, the ransom was paid. An immortal God cannot die, so Yahweh could never have become flesh to offer his life.

Read in Greek, John 1:1 does not say what the biased English translators want it to say.
You have been shown this, but apparently it means nothing when your treasured doctrine is at stake. You will overlook all scripture that contains direct statements in favor of clinging to an ancient lie grafted into ambiguous verses.

You choose your side and I will choose mine.....I have been on both sides, and I know from experience (not just hear-say) which one promotes what the Bible teaches.

Jesus is the judge so no one will fool him. Every single one of us is either a “sheep” or a “goat”.....Jesus knows, and that is all that matters.
All we know is that “many” are going to be shocked at his rejection. (Matthew 7:21-23) Will we be among them?

Won’t it be interesting to see where we individually end up on that day...?

 

[robert derrick]

The scriptures indicate that when Christ was to return, there would be an earthly “sign” of his “presence” (parousia), which is a separate event to his “coming” as judge with his angels for the judgment......but they do not tell us when the “last days” will end. (Matthew 24:3-14)

True.

Undoubtedly we are in “the time of the end” right now,

True, because the last days have been on earth since Jesus Christ rose from the dead, which is why the spirit of antichrist and antichrists have already gone from the doctrine of the apostles, to their own teachings.

Those who have “the mark of the beast” will, because it is "the beast" who is backing it.

There may be a physical mark toward the end of the last days, but that mark is already the seal of the beast in the conscience, words, and deeds of them decieved and practicing false doctrine in the name of Christ.

It is in opposition to the seal of the Spirit dwelling within the saints.

It was at this troubled time that God foretold a “cleansing, whitening and refining” of his worshippers....also an “abundance of knowledge” would be made available so that no one had an excuse to retain the ‘unclean’ and ‘impure’ worship that the devil has sown in the world from the post apostolic period. (Daniel 12:4, 9-10) God revealed to Daniel a vision of the world we are living in now. He recorded his book some 500 years before Christ walked the earth and he was told to "seal up the book" because only at this time would its contents be understood.

Once again, the great tribulation of the last days is for all saints to be tried by temptation, false doctrine, and persecution:

Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

The great tribulation of plagues from God upon the earth at the end, will be a very short time, and is to lead to repentance or death:

Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile.

Christendom today, is a mirror image of Judaism in the first century.....it is about to be brought to justice for the lies it has perpetuated for centuries. As part of “Babylon the great” it is about to answer for all the errors it has promoted about God and his Christ. We are told to “get out of” that religious organization, aptly portrayed as a harlot....in bed with God's enemies. (Revelation 18:4-5)

True, the Jews religion rejected Jesus as Christ, and the Christian religion only gives lip service to Him as Lord. This also began to happen right away in the times of the apostles.

The antichrist beast is first ministerial, and then physical when having worldly powers to silence the saints.

And the error of the interpretation of this verse is the primary reason why so many were misled into believing that Jesus is Almighty God,

The error of rejecting Scripture as written is why some do not believe the Word as God and made Flesh, and the resurrection God of Israel is now Lord and God of them that love Him.

Adam was not God....but he was sinless.

Until He sinned. The same is for all souls made by Christ.

An immortal God cannot die, so Yahweh could never have become flesh to offer his life.

In the flesh He did bodily, which is why He was made flesh in the first place.

The Omnipotent God can do all things, and nothing is impossible to Him, including coming to any man on earth, and coming in the flesh on earth Himself for all men.

You have been shown this, but apparently it means nothing when your treasured doctrine is at stake.

Dittoes. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

You choose your side and I will choose mine.....I have been on both sides, and I know from experience (not just hear-say) which one promotes what the Bible teaches.

I've never needed to be on your side. I just believe Scripture as written. And by how your side spends so much time tying to make it different, I have learned much learning of original languages, manuscripts, and old Jewish opinions can be a snare.

Won’t it be interesting to see where we individually end up on that day...?

I already know how it will end up: only the righteousness saints in Christ Jesus living blamelessly at the end, will meet Him in the air.

Those having not the Spirit nor Christ dwelling within them, can only be righteous outwardly, but never pure of heart and spirit inwardly.

One thing I used to be like on your side, was outwardly holiness without spiritual purity.

 

[Phoneman777]

So, you allow Revelation 19 to be a real event, and not just an allegory or parable?

I do not allow all of Revelation to be literal. We who have Holy Spirit discernment know that in Revelation, the "beast", the "dragon", the "false prophet", "sharp swords", etc., are symbols of things which must be interpreted, but that there will be a literal fire into which they are cast, there will be a literal second coming of Jesus, a literal redemption of the saints, etc., because these things are confirmed in other parts of Scripture, UNLIKE the stupid idea of making the Rich Man and Lazarus a literal story which cannot find confirmation in any other part of Scripture.
You do know that Jesus "sent and SIGNIFIED it" - the book of Revelation? "Signify" means to "sign-ify"...as in "signs", right?

The sheep and goats are the remnant on earth after the war with the Lamb.

The sheep are the saints, the goats are the lost. The separation of them happens after the 1,000 years when the lost come up in the resurrection and stand on the Earty outside the city while the redeemed are safely inside the city where they receive their recompense.

The goats are the remnant with the mark of the beast, and the sheep will remain alive to live during His reign on earth. It will be a new start on earth with neighborly sinners, that become fast believers.

Wrong, the wicked will be annihilated right after they're resurrected and judged, after which God will create the new heavens and earth and the saints shall reign on Earth for eternity with Jesus.

None of them are the resurrected saints returning with Him from the air, because none of them know the Lord nor why the Lord is commending them. Saints are not ignorant of Jesus as Lord and God, nor of the work of faith they do daily in His name.

Only the resurrected saints return with Jesus to Earth after the 1,000 years because they left with Him at His Second Coming, leaving the wicked to drop dead "at the brightness of His coming". The wicked will not be "neighbors" of anyone because when Jesus comes and destroys the atmosphere, nothing will survive.

The resurrected saints will rule with Him on earth over the natural sheep and their descendants for a thousand years, while Satan will have no power to tempt anyone.

Because God says of Satan,"never shalt thou be anymore". He's going to be annihilated along with the wicked in Fire Lake after the resurrection of the damned.

I'm not sure how you got this convoluted, since Scripture is plainly written another way. Perhaps you aren't used to actually trying to take Scripture as written, rather than having fun parabolizing it into something else.

Not surprised one who lacks Holy Spirit discernment like yourself is seduced by so many false doctrines like Jesuit Futurism and can't recognize truth when he see it.

At the end of Christ's millennial reign on this earth

No such thing, because when Jesus comes "as a thief in the night" the Earth will not be able to sustain life for 7 more seconds, let alone 7 more years of "tribulation" or 1,000 years. If only Jesuit Futurists like yourself would read what Isaiah, Jeremiah, Jesus, John, Peter, and the rest say about what's going to happen to the Earth when Jesus comes as a thief.

there will be a final war with Satan and his gathered armies.

which will surround New Jerusalem after they're raised in the Resurrection of the Damned.

They will gather around this Jerusalem, which will have been the holy city of God once again on this earth, since the Lord reigned there on David's throne. The armies will be destroyed with the old earth by fire coming our to heaven.

NEW Jerusalem, not the ancient land that is now. When will you people recognize that "Israel" to this day has still not been established, and the people are no more? Their borders are not even 100th of what God gave Israel in Scripture and the people are frauds from the pagan Khazarian Empire who hijacked Judaism.

Then will come the fulfillment of Daniel 12 and the final judgement of all the rest of the dead, that were not in the first resurrection of all the saints since righteous Abel, at the Lord's return to this earth. The new heaven and earth will then be created, and the New Jerusalem will descend from the new heaven upon the great mount of the new earth.

That happens AFTER the 1,000 year reign of Jesus and the saints above, when New Jerusalem comes down abd the wicked are raised to be judged and annihilated - followed by the new heaven and earth.