I don’t know into your heart. I just know that you take offense easily in conversation and have a lot of words that trigger you. You often feel judged by others remarks and often get into arguments on what would be a more “correct” word to use and so you miss what someone is trying to say sometimes.
we do not have revival because we do not see the need for it.
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I don’t know into your heart. I just know that you take offense easily in conversation and have a lot of words that trigger you. You often feel judged by others remarks and often get into arguments on what would be a more “correct” word to use and so you miss what someone is trying to say sometimes.
And there it goes. Wanting to nail down the word church to make sure he doesn’t mean you personally.
The church today, in general, preaches a message of self acceptance, and high self esteem, which are the root of the complacency in the church. Until Brokenness and Repentance are preached the edification is detrimental to Spiritual growth of the members in the church. Edification only comes after this brokenness in the church, and that edification is towards continual maturation.... going from the milk of doctrine to the meat of the Word of God. It is a general condition in most churches particularly in the West that I am pointing to. Of course there are exceptions to this, who as Tozer said: "Pressed on to the fulness and power unknown to the rest" But they are few and far between, and not many enough to "dispel the mist that hung over the land".
You complain, because I say "The Church is so lost in the ways of the world" denying this is a problem.
The Opposite of this is to say the church is good with God and in need of nothing which is what you seem to be advocating.
You say you don't know my heart, but then you go on as if you do.
Could it be that I don't actually feel the emotional state you suggest?
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OK, so then to you when you say Church you are including believers and unbelievers. I'll try to keep that in mind.
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You are still doing it. If you were interested in honest discussion, you wouldn't.
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When you say "Church", are you saying it the same as @stunnedbygrace , that is, everyone who goes to church on Sunday and calls themself "Christian"? Or do you mean, as I do, those who are the called out assembly of the born again in Christ?
Who do you mean when you tell us the Church is so lost in the ways of the world? You don't mean yourself, I'm thinking!
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You don't think that it's good to understand what a person means?
Would you like to know the real reason I asked that? Or would you rather just make your own personal dig?
Can a person be aware of someone's comment, can a person point out someone's comment, without having taken it personally?
But you've got me all figured out.
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That is how "discussion" works....
You say X, I ask Y to clarify if that is what you are saying.... then you accuse me of putting words in your mouth. Quite frankly it is childish.
I mean all who are in the church, myself included. Like Isaiah said: Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. (Isaiah 6:5)
Some just have been revealed the problem so as to be able to see it and address it Like Isaiah was who saw his own wretchedness and that of His people when in the presence of a Holy God. It is in the Presence of God that revival begins.
That was not my complaint. Care to revise?
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So to you the church is rich and prosperous and in need of nothing? That is known as self deception.
These are not my words, this is the thing you keep saying falsely of me. Yes, falsely, yet you persist. And all because I refuted your latter rain doctrine. That's when you started.
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My question was . . . all who self-identify as Christians, or only the real Christians?
But to take your words at their face value,
first look to your own walk, to extricate yourself from being lost to the ways of the world, then you will be able to see clearly to help others.
But until then, Scripturally speaking, you will not be able to see clearly enough to help until you do.
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Notice the Question mark.... and why placed the word "ask" in Bold.
If i ask you if your doctrine encourages sin does not mean i accuse you of having a doctrine that says sin is ok, rather it is asking for clarification on your doctrine in relation to sin.
To internalize a question like that is childish on your part, and shows an inability to have a rational discussion.
BTW, you never refuted my doctrine of latter rain, you only prove the need for this in the church by your denial of the need for this.
Of course I did. That's when you went all like this. You can't get enough of putting me down, and I'm just letting you dig, hoping you will find a bottom.
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wrong, It is only in the presence of a Holy God that you can see clearly your own wretchedness and the wretchedness of the church so as to correct yourself and the church. Read John 15.
There is your inability to have a rational discussion without being offended being exposed....
I challenge you . . . put into your own words, accurately and fairly, what I believe about the born again person's maturing in the faith?
Can you?
If not, what gives you any right to speak against it?
Much love!
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