We Know When the Tribulation Takes Place

[revivin]

Do you think it is reasonable for Jesus to return within a lifetime when Israel becomes a nation again?

"Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh" (Matt. 24.32).

I think we can all agree the fig tree represents Israel and the summer is the millennial kingdom. The branch was tender no later than May 14, 1948 when Israel became a nation again.

"Summer is nigh" would be no longer than within a lifetime. "The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away" (Ps. 90.10).

Abraham entered the promise land at the age of 75. "So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran" (Gen. 12.4).

1948 + 75 = 2023. Therefore, Jesus steps down on the mount of olives no later than 2023 so the very latest the Tribulation would be is from 2016-23.

Before the Tribulation starts certain events must take place.

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood" (Joel 2.31, Rev. 6.12).

Haiti 2010 was the second greatest number of deaths of any earthquake in history. Japan 2011 caused Japan to shut down all 50+ of is nuclear power plants and it was the 4th greatest earthquake in history in terms of magnitude. Back to back, year over year, the world has never seen two earthquakes together this devastating. Never! Wake up people!

There are 4 kinds of solar eclipses. The rarest is the Hybrid occurring about 5% of the time. And there are 3 kinds of hybrids. The H3 the rarest occurring about 5% of the time. And a solar eclipse is even more rare when it is a long version, that is, lasting longer than 1 minute and 30 seconds according to NASA. Amazingly, on Nov. 3, 2013 is the rarest of all solar eclipses--the long H3 Hybrid. A Hybrid starts as a partial eclipse and finishes off as a total eclipse to produce that black sackcloth effect. This is the 4th one since Christ and won't happen again till the year 2172.

What follows next is the 2014/15 Total Lunar Tetrad that lands on passover, tabernacles and again on passover and tabernacles. The 6th one since Christ was 1949/50 when Israel became a nation May 14, 1948. The Armistice treaty was signed 1949. The 7th Tetrad was 1967/68 when Israel entered Jerusalem June 7, 1967. It won't happen again till 2582/83, and there is no unique solar eclipse preceding it.

"So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors" (Matt. 24.33). Within a lifetime!

When does the 7 year Tribulation take place? It is not going to start in 2012 or 2013 or 2014 because the Temple construction must begin by the start of the Tribulation so the Antichrist can reign in it by the middle of the Tribulation.

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months" (Dan. 9.27, Matt. 24.15, 2 Thess. 2.4, Rev. 11.2).

The 7 year Tribulation is 2,520 days (7 x 360) like all of Daniel's sixty-nine sevens were. 2,520 is the smallest number divisible by all numbers from 2 to 10. The 69th seven is concluded 4 days before Jesus died on the cross based on the sevens being 2,520 days each. The feasts of Israel are a rehearsal. The last 3 feasts deal with Jesus' second coming. Feast of Trumpets is the first of the last 3 feasts and pertains to rapture. Therefore, we should expect the Tribulation to start on Feast of Trumpets. This can be confirmed.

In 2015 Feast of Trumpets is Sept. 14, 2015 and the 2,520th day is Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022 (1260th day), the day the first and second Temples were destroyed. Jesus returns to reign in the third Temple. The 2,550th day (1290th) from Feast of Trumpets in 2016 is the Day of Atonement in 2023. So which of these two 7 year periods will be the Tribulation?

It takes 2300 days before the Temple is cleansed. "And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" (Dan. 8.14).

There are 2300 days from April 21, 2016 the 4th day inspection of the lamb, the day before Passover, to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022. The same is true for 2017 to 2023. So we need another clue. There are seven sets of seven (7 x 7 x 360) from June 7, 1967 when Israel took over Jerusalem to Sept. 23, 2015 Day of Atonement (total of 17,640 days). This suggests that 2015 is the starting year of the Tribulation so the Tribulation would be Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022.

At any rate the first rapture according to readiness is on Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 or Feast of Trumpets Oct. 3, 2016. I favor 2015 for several other reasons, because it is a Jubilee year, once every 50 years and it is a Sabbath year once every seven years. And Tisha B'Av in 2022 lands on a Sunday.

 

[teleiosis]

I think using the 2300 days from Daniel is mistakenly being applied to the end-times.

I also think date-setting is fruitless; some eschatology websites forbid it.

The sun/moon/star event does not come before the "Tribulation" which is a mis-identification of the one 'seven.'
The sun/moon/star event comes AFTER the midpoing abomination AND the shortened Great Tribulation.
The sun/moon/star event comes BEFORE the Day of the Lord (various OT prophecies, notably Joel) and BEFORE Jesus comes on the clouds.

The feasts do indeed act as a template for Christ's second Advent, and the Last Trumpet is followed by two days of celebration in the Festival of Trumpets - AND - the seven days of Awe that come between that and Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement.

Another template for the Rapture is the Jewish Wedding "process." Both types, along with first-century harvest rituals, (Spring Festivals) are worthy of study.

 

[revivin]

I think using the 2300 days from Daniel is mistakenly being applied to the end-times.

I think you are wrong, because during the Tribulation the Temple will be unclean.

I also think date-setting is fruitless; some eschatology websites forbid it.

I think you are wrong because nowhere does the Bible say date setting is wrong. In fact Jesus said we can know when He returns in Matt. 24.33. Though saints could not know back then they can now, now that Israel is a nation again. It is only in the past few decades we could discern when the Tetrads take place to make this determination.

The sun/moon/star event does not come before the "Tribulation" which is a mis-identification of the one 'seven.'
The sun/moon/star event comes AFTER the midpoing abomination AND the shortened Great Tribulation.
The sun/moon/star event comes BEFORE the Day of the Lord (various OT prophecies, notably Joel) and BEFORE Jesus comes on the clouds.

Joel 2.31 says the darkened sun and red blood moon come before the Tribulation, that terrible day of the Lord. This agrees perfectly with Rev. 6.12 which occurs before the Trumpets of the Tribulation begin. Since the 70th seven has never occurred before in history it is none other than 1260 + 1260 days of the Tribulation of the same number of days as Dan. 9.27.

After the Tribulation, the moon and sun are darkened, but these are not specifically mentioned as being a solar or lunar eclipse like we see for the start of the Tribulation. In the 1st half of the Tribulation 1/3 of the moon and the stars are effected as well, but no blacksackcloth sun (a total solar eclipse) or moon as red as blood (red blood moon or Total Lunar Tetrad).

The Day of the Lord is the entire period of His parousia and time He spends with us during the millennial kingdom. His parousia commences first with the first rapture according to readiness "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd heaven before the 1st trumpet is blown (8.7).

The feasts do indeed act as a template for Christ's second Advent, and the Last Trumpet is followed by two days of celebration in the Festival of Trumpets - AND - the seven days of Awe that come between that and Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement.

Hence, the 75 days (from the 1260th to 1290th to 1335th) from Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022 takes us to Oct. 21, 2022 after Tabernacles is done. Tabernacles is Oct. 10, 2022, runs for 6 days to Oct. 16. The next two holidays follow, the 2nd which is Simchat Torah Oct. 18, 2022 when the Torah Scroll is removed from the Holy of Holies to be read once a year. The 4th day from Simchat Torah, like 4 days of inspection of the Lion of Judah, is Oct. 21, 2022. It's cool how the 1335th day concludes after the last 3 feasts. This does not happen every year, but it does for the 2595 days from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Oct. 21, 2022.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHgLfYmfGno&feature=g-all-lik

 

[veteran]

What good is trying to nail down the exact time of the tribulation and Christ's coming if the believer doesn't first understand the signs our Lord Jesus gave about the order and type of events to occur?

If one knows the exact day the tribulation starts, how will that help a believer if they hold to a Pre-trib Rapture theory, especially since Jesus said His coming and our gatheirng is after the tribulation? (Matt.24:29-31).

 

[revivin]

What good is trying to nail down the exact time of the tribulation and Christ's coming if the believer doesn't first understand the signs our Lord Jesus gave about the order and type of events to occur?

It does no good to try to nail down the exact time of the Tribulation and Christ's coming if you don't understand the signs of our Lord Jesus gave about the order and type of events to occur. So why don't you try to understand those signs I gave that show when the Tribulation occurs and when Jesus steps down on the mount of olives?

If one knows the exact day the tribulation starts, how will that help a believer if they hold to a Pre-trib Rapture theory, especially since Jesus said His coming and our gatheirng is after the tribulation? (Matt.24:29-31).

Knowing when the Tribluation starts won't help a Pretrib Onlyist as it is not meant to, for Pretrib Onlyism is false. But Partial Rapture is true, that is, the first rapture is according to readiness (Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10) "before the throne" (7.9) before the first trumpet (8.7) of the Tribulation is blown.

Partial Rapture believers are greatly encouraged that if we keep the word of His patience, are watchful and prayerful, we will escape the hour of trial that is come upon the whole world by being raptured alive. So we are spiritually motivated to "ovecometh" (Rev. 2 & 3), especially if we know when the Tribulation is and we are part of that generation, because it is in our very day.

Whereas a Pretrib Onlyist would never concede to Sept. 14, 2015 Feast of Trumpets as the first rapture because it depends on Rev. 6.12 (Haiti 2010/Japan 2011, H3 Hybrid Nov. 3, 2013, 2014/15 Tetrad) occuring before the Tribulation starts; but Pretrib Onlyists consider the Seals part of the Tribulation, not part of the past 20 centuries. Do you see now? Think how deceived pretrib onlyists (and posttrib onlyists) are for they will accuse the brethren day and night when the first rapture takes place, because they assumed if it really was the rapture they would have been included.

You misread Matt. 24.29-31 which is not a gathering of the saints, but a gathering of the Jews to come back to Israel after they are displaced during the Great Tribulation. Naturally the Jews can return once Jesus steps down on the mount of olives.

 

[us2are1]

You will know when the great tribulation starts because the weather will disapear from the planet. No wind no clouds no rain. Then not many days later all of the oceans, seas, rivers, lakes, levies, canals, ponds, wells, creeks, bottles and cans and all water supplies on earth will turn to blood, like the blood of a dead man.

Isreal will become a nation again at this time and at the end of 1260 days they will start moving into the middle east region.

This will be after all of the antichrists, who call themselves Jews, have been slaughtered by each other.






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[revivin]

You will know when the great tribulation starts because the weather will disapear from the planet. No wind no clouds no rain. then not many days later all of the oceans, seas, rivers, lakes, levies, canals, ponds, wells, creeks, bottles and cans and all water supplies on earth will turn to blood, like the blood of a dead man.

Isreal will become a nation again at this time and at the end of 1260 days they will start moving into the middle east region.
This will be after all of the antichrists, who call themselves Jews, have been slaughtered by each other.

Wheather disappears? How silly. Surely you're mad. You will know when the Tribulation starts by the first rapture "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) before the 1st trumpet (8.7) of the Tribulation starts.

The 1st half of the Tribulation (1st 4 trumpets Rev. 8) the earth is hurt 1260 days. The 2nd half of the Tribulation, 1260 days, people are hurt and killed in the last 3 trumpets (Rev. 9-11).

Israel does not return on the 2,520 the day, but Jesus judges the nations for 30 days from the 1260th day to the 1290th day; then for 45 days more to the 1335th day Israel returns and Jesus sets up Israel as the center of all nations. The 1335th day is Oct. 21, 2022, 75 days after Tisha B'Av.

 

[us2are1]

Wheather disappears? How silly. Surely you're mad. You will know when the Tribulation starts by the first rapture "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) before the 1st trumpet (8.7) of the Tribulation starts.

The 1st half of the Tribulation (1st 4 trumpets Rev. 8) the earth is hurt 1260 days. The 2nd half of the Tribulation, 1260 days, people are hurt and killed in the last 3 trumpets (Rev. 9-11).

Israel does not return on the 2,520 the day, but Jesus judges the nations for 30 days from the 1260th day to the 1290th day; then for 45 days more to the 1335th day Israel returns and Jesus sets up Israel as the center of all nations. The 1335th day is Oct. 21, 2022, 75 days after Tisha B'Av.

There is no rapture in scripture. The rapture is a theory dreamed up by evil men for the sake of monetary gain.

The nation of antichrist over in the middle east have nothing in God except the Judgement of the wicked. Each one has the opportunity to repent and follow Christ just like anyone else.












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[teleiosis]

Oh, this ought to be fun. Lemme get my popcorn and drink.

 

[veteran]

So why don't you try to understand those signs I gave that show when the Tribulation occurs and when Jesus steps down on the mount of olives?

We don't need 'you' to show us when the Tribulatin occurs, Jesus already showed us in His Word, and it ain't about date setting like you've done. Instead, it's about recognizing the signs He gave, and the signs you've covered ain't... them.

Did you REALLY think you could do a bunch of math calculations to come up with the day of Christ's return???

 

[revivin]

We don't need 'you' to show us when the Tribulatin occurs, Jesus already showed us in His Word, and it ain't about date setting like you've done. Instead, it's about recognizing the signs He gave, and the signs you've covered ain't... them.

Did you REALLY think you could do a bunch of math calculations to come up with the day of Christ's return???

Why do you reject the signs of the sun and the moon?

There is no rapture in scripture. The rapture is a theory dreamed up by evil men for the sake of monetary gain.

The nation of antichrist over in the middle east have nothing in God except the Judgement of the wicked. Each one has the opportunity to repent and follow Christ just like anyone else.












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How do you interpret this not as rapture, "caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord' (1 Thess. 4.17)?

How do the saints get to 3rd heaven "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) if not by being raptured?

 

[JLB]

Why do you reject the signs of the sun and the moon?


How do you interpret this not as rapture, "caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord' (1 Thess. 4.17)?

How do the saints get to 3rd heaven "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) if not by being raptured?

How do the saints get to 3rd heaven "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) if not by being raptured?


This may shock you, however I am going to let you in on a very deep secret.

They DIED and went to heaven.

If you kept reading a little past verse 9 you would have discovered this well kept secret for yourself.


13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?" 14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

They were martyred brother.


Thanks, JLB

 

[teleiosis]

Reading all your posts which combine Scripture with interpretational errors is like watching five blind men describe an elephant.

 

[revivin]

How do the saints get to 3rd heaven "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) if not by being raptured? This may shock you, however I am going to let you in on a very deep secret. They DIED and went to heaven. If you kept reading a little past verse 9 you would have discovered this well kept secret for yourself.

13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?" 14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

They were martyred brother.
Thanks, JLB

This may surprise you, but resurrected doesn't get you to heaven, but brings one out of the grave and/or gives them a new body. Actually nobody is in 3rd haeven yet, since 1 Thess. 4.14-18 says we will be raptured together to meet the Lord in the air at the last trumpet. There are those who are raptured alive who don't go down the grave (Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10), so they are given new bodies without having to go where Lazarus went--Abraham's bosom, soul sleep, timeless unawares. It is not enough to just be resurrected, but one also must be raptured to get to 3rd heaven or to meet the Lord in the air.

There is no great secret here as you suggest. You are quoting verse 11 and 12 not 13 and 14, and are talking about those who were martyred during the Great Tribulation, and they then come befor the throne or to meet the Lord in the air at the end of this age by being raptured. Resurrection gives you a new body. Rapture brings you to the throne in 3rd heaven or to meet the Lord in the air.

"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled" (Rev. 6.11). Who should rest a little while? Those who were martyred from the past 20 centuries as they wait for the rest of the martyred brethren from the Great Tribulation to be resurrected and raptured.

Pray on this as I pray for your understanding.

 

[veteran]

How do the saints get to 3rd heaven "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) if not by being raptured?


This may shock you, however I am going to let you in on a very deep secret.

They DIED and went to heaven.

If you kept reading a little past verse 9 you would have discovered this well kept secret for yourself.


13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?" 14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

They were martyred brother.


Thanks, JLB

That view includes events past the Rev.7:14 verse which helps us mark the timing when those are before the throne...

Rev 7:14-17
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple: and He That sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb Which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
(KJV)

That part in bold is about Millennium timing. It's on earth after Christ's return.

So any... idea of a rapture applied to that is wrong as you pointed out. But nor does it mean they are heaven at God's throne while the tribulation is still going on either.

 

[revivin]

So any... idea of a rapture applied to that is wrong as you pointed out. But nor does it mean they are heaven at God's throne while the tribulation is still going on either.

You couldn't be more wrong. There is no way to get to the throne (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd heaven except by being raptured at the end of this age.

Since the Tribulation starts with the first trumpet (8.7) and those "before the throne" (7.9) are first raptured, there are these overcomers who kept the word of His patience (3.10), were watchful (Matt. 24.40-42) and prayerful (Luke 21.36) to escape the hour of trial that is to come upon the whole world by being raptured alive.

Such a promise is not through death, but by rapture.

Praise the Lord!

 

[JLB]

You couldn't be more wrong. There is no way to get to the throne (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd heaven except by being raptured at the end of this age.

Since the Tribulation starts with the first trumpet (8.7) and those "before the throne" (7.9) are first raptured, there are these overcomers who kept the word of His patience (3.10), were watchful (Matt. 24.40-42) and prayerful (Luke 21.36) to escape the hour of trial that is to come upon the whole world by being raptured alive.

Such a promise is not through death, but by rapture.



Praise the Lord!

being raptured at the end of this age.


I agree the rapture is at the end of the age when Jesus returns and -

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:22-24

This may surprise you, but resurrected doesn't get you to heaven, but brings one out of the grave and/or gives them a new body. Actually nobody is in 3rd haeven yet, since 1 Thess. 4.14-18 says we will be raptured together to meet the Lord in the air at the last trumpet. There are those who are raptured alive who don't go down the grave (Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10), so they are given new bodies without having to go where Lazarus went--Abraham's bosom, soul sleep, timeless unawares. It is not enough to just be resurrected, but one also must be raptured to get to 3rd heaven or to meet the Lord in the air.

There is no great secret here as you suggest. You are quoting verse 11 and 12 not 13 and 14, and are talking about those who were martyred during the Great Tribulation, and they then come befor the throne or to meet the Lord in the air at the end of this age by being raptured. Resurrection gives you a new body. Rapture brings you to the throne in 3rd heaven or to meet the Lord in the air.

"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled" (Rev. 6.11). Who should rest a little while? Those who were martyred from the past 20 centuries as they wait for the rest of the martyred brethren from the Great Tribulation to be resurrected and raptured.

Pray on this as I pray for your understanding.

To be absent from the body is to be present with The Lord.

 

[revivin]

being raptured at the end of this age. I agree the rapture is at the end of the age when Jesus returns and -

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:22-24

I am glad you agree the rapture is at the end of this age. I only wish others here would agree the same who were disputing the rapture; though your post in post #15 you said some strange things which I corrected you in the following post in post #16.

Will Jesus return within 75 years from when Israel became a nation (by 2023 at the latest)? Yes,

• because 75 years is within a lifetime (Ps. 90.10);
• because Abraham entered the promise land at 75 (Gen. 12.5);
• because "you know the summer is near" (Matt. 24.32) when the "fig tree...branch is tender" (v.32);
• Ezekiel's prophecy on his side for 390 days takes us to exactly May, 1948 when Israel became a nation again;
• thus, you "know that it is near, even at the doors" (v.33).

Can we narrow down the time of the Tribulation and when Jesus returns? Yes,

• because before the great and terrible day of the Lord (Joel 2.31, Rev. 6.12) there is a great earthquake (2010/11), unique solar eclipse (Nov. 3, 2013) and unique lunar eclipse (2014/15);
• thus, the Tribulation can start no sooner than 2015.

How do we get even more exact for the time the Tribulation starts?

• Each year there are from Feast of Trumpets 2,520 (Dan. 9.27, 12.7, Rev. 12.6) days to Tisha B'Av or 2,550 (Dan. 12.11) days to Day of Atonement;
• there are 2300 days (Dan. 8.14) from Passover to Tisha B'Av from 2016 to 2022 and for 2017 to 2023;
• thus, we know the Tribulation starts on Feast of Trumpets either Sept. 14, 2015 or Oct. 3, 2016.

Which year does the Tribulation start?

• There are seven sets of seven from June 7, 1967 (double fulfilment of Dan. 9.25) when Israel became a nation to the Day of Atonement June 23, 2015 (total of 17,640 days);
• when Jesus returns, He judges the nations for 30 days from the 1260th to the 1290th day;
• 2015 is a Jubilee year once every 50 years and it is a Sabbath year once every seven years (these years are confirmed going back to the start of the first Jubilee which was 3986 BC when Adam was 18 years old;
• thus, the Tribulation must start on Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14 in 2015.

What day does Jesus step down on the mount of olives?

• Jesus would step down on the 2,520th day which would be Aug. 7, 2022.

 

[JLB]

I am glad you agree the rapture is at the end of this age. I only wish others here would agree the same who were disputing the rapture; though your post in post #15 you said some strange things which I corrected you in the following post in post #16.

Will Jesus return within 75 years from when Israel became a nation (by 2023 at the latest)? Yes,

• because 75 years is within a lifetime (Ps. 90.10);
• because Abraham entered the promise land at 75 (Gen. 12.5);
• because "you know the summer is near" (Matt. 24.32) when the "fig tree...branch is tender" (v.32);
• Ezekiel's prophecy on his side for 390 days takes us to exactly May, 1948 when Israel became a nation again;
• thus, you "know that it is near, even at the doors" (v.33).

Can we narrow down the time of the Tribulation and when Jesus returns? Yes,

• because before the great and terrible day of the Lord (Joel 2.31, Rev. 6.12) there is a great earthquake (2010/11), unique solar eclipse (Nov. 3, 2013) and unique lunar eclipse (2014/15);
• thus, the Tribulation can start no sooner than 2015.

How do we get even more exact for the time the Tribulation starts?

• Each year there are from Feast of Trumpets 2,520 (Dan. 9.27, 12.7, Rev. 12.6) days to Tisha B'Av or 2,550 (Dan. 12.11) days to Day of Atonement;
• there are 2300 days (Dan. 8.14) from Passover to Tisha B'Av from 2016 to 2022 and for 2017 to 2023;
• thus, we know the Tribulation starts on Feast of Trumpets either Sept. 14, 2015 or Oct. 3, 2016.

Which year does the Tribulation start?

• There are seven sets of seven from June 7, 1967 (double fulfilment of Dan. 9.25) when Israel became a nation to the Day of Atonement June 23, 2015 (total of 17,640 days);
• when Jesus returns, He judges the nations for 30 days from the 1260th to the 1290th day;
• 2015 is a Jubilee year once every 50 years and it is a Sabbath year once every seven years (these years are confirmed going back to the start of the first Jubilee which was 3986 BC when Adam was 18 years old;
• thus, the Tribulation must start on Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14 in 2015.

What day does Jesus step down on the mount of olives?

• Jesus would step down on the 2,520th day which would be Aug. 7, 2022.

revivin wrote -

Will Jesus return within 75 years from when Israel became a nation (by 2023 at the latest)?


1 - I don't have a post # 15.

2 - Psalm 90:10 does not say a life time is 75 years. That is presumption.

3 - Gen 12:5 does not say Abraham entered the promise land at 75. He left Haran and set out for Canaan at 75.

Now we have a pattern of presumption.
Saying things that are presumptuous and giving a scripture reference that does not validate what you are saying is why people do not take you seriously.

4- because "you know the summer is near" (Matt. 24.32) when the "fig tree...branch is tender" (v.32);

nothing in this scripture validates your theory of 75 years.

5 - Ezekiel's prophecy on his side for 390 days takes us to exactly May, 1948 when Israel became a nation again;

Has nothing to do with Jesus wil return within 75 years from when Israel became a nation (by 2023 at the latest)?

6 - thus, you "know that it is near, even at the doors" (v.33).

Nothing to do with 75 years.


you said some strange things which I corrected you in the following post in post #16.


You didn't correct anything, you just exposed yourself as being extremely presumptuous, with no scriptural proof to validate your position.


Thanks, JLB

 

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You couldn't be more wrong. There is no way to get to the throne (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd heaven except by being raptured at the end of this age.

Since the Tribulation starts with the first trumpet (8.7) and those "before the throne" (7.9) are first raptured, there are these overcomers who kept the word of His patience (3.10), were watchful (Matt. 24.40-42) and prayerful (Luke 21.36) to escape the hour of trial that is to come upon the whole world by being raptured alive.

Such a promise is not through death, but by rapture.

Praise the Lord!

I guess you failed to read Rev.14 and Rev.15 then.

But we don't actually have to wait that long in Revelation for another example of the timing of that Rev.7:9-17 event.

(Doctrines of men like to push the view of treating the order of Revelation chronologically, when in actuality, its timelines jump back and forth between past and future a whole lot, just like the Books of the Old Testament prophets do. It's pretty easy to know when a believer has not studied much of those OT prophets because of how they want to treat the events in Revelation chronologically instead of actually understanding the time markers given within those events.)


Rev 5:6-11
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And He came and took the book out of the right hand of Him That sat upon the throne.
8 And when He had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, 'Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by Thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.'
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
(KJV)

That above jumps forward to the time of Christ's thousand years reign with His elect priests and kings. It's what the below timeline is about too...

Rev 7:9-11
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
(KJV)

So what's the difference in that Rev.5 timeline jump? Just because it is given ALONG WITH the event of Jesus opening up the Seals does NOT mean that future Millennium look is happening right then with His opening up the Seals which are in prep for tribulation timing!

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What's that part in Rev.5 about their singing "a new song" about? What timing is that?


Rev 14:1-3
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
(KJV)

Rev 15:2-3
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are Thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are Thy ways, Thou King of saints.
(KJV)