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We don't have a soul , we are a soul .
Did Christ have a body before being born of woman ?
Scripture says we have a soul:
1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I don't know. The bible is silent on that.
We can be without the flesh is my point
Scripture says we were made in His image correct ?
What happens on earth while you all are in Heaven ?
What specifically is the wrath of God ?
We don't have a soul , we are a soul .
Did Christ have a body before being born of woman ?
There was no Abraham's bosom when the thief died. It was empty. You have no concept of time do you? Abraham's bosom emptied when Jesus said, "It is finished". Matthew 27:50-52
"Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,"
Two things immediately happened: the temple veil rent in half immediately rendering the Holy of Holies null and void. Abraham's bosom was emptied rendering the grave of the OT null and void. The thief on the Cross could not enter Abraham's bosom any more than God would enter the Holy of Holies. You condemn the thief to a death that no longer existed. How magnanimous of you. Plus you make God out to be a liar, when God clearly told the thief he would be with God in Paradise that day, not some future resurrection thousands of years from then.
As pointed out, the thief did not hop off the cross and join those bodies walking around Jerusalem for 3 days with all those other bodies. The thief did not join those from Abraham's bosom. The thief died hours after Abraham's bosom had become defunct. The thief died hours after the temple veil rendered the temple defunct. It is a matter of the time of the thief's death, not your doctrinal position based on your metrics.
John 19:31-34
"The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him. But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water."
The two thieves were not dead yet, so they broke their legs to hasten their deaths. It was hours later, and the Jews did not want bodies hanging out for days near Jerusalem. It was the Passover Sabbath on Thursday of this month of Passover observance. Jesus did not die at the same time as the thief, and could not take the thief to Abraham's bosom. The thief was not dead yet. Jesus was out of Abraham's bosom just as quick as those bodies walking out of their graves.
Why would you think this process happened over days? Do you think it will take days at the Second Coming to process all those bodies into the air by heavens security personal? Why do you think the event at the Cross would take 3 days to process all those bodies into Paradise in the third heaven in the heaven in the firmament?
Heaven and paradise is the same place. Jesus went to Hades, not to heaven/paradise.
The bodies left the grave at the Cross, when Jesus said it is finished. They were walking around Jerusalem for those 3 days. I am surprised that you are only looking at a body in a grave and not all those bodies walking around Jerusalem. While the body was in the tomb, the Spirit and soul were in Paradise. Jesus had to wait in Paradise, while the body was in the tomb until the whole 3 days were up.Wrong. Jesus went to Abrahams bosom while his body was in the grave!
It was emptied when Jesus ascended as it says In ephesians.
This is a pointless debate. It is such a trivial matter, it needs to end.
Hades is the generic Hebrew term for the grave or underworld. It had 3 compartments.
Tartarus-- where the angels who fell in Gen. 6 are chained.
Place of torments m, where the lost souls go.
Paradise/Abrahams Bosom where the righteous souls went to wait for the blood to actually be shed on the cross. they left when Jesus ascended as it is written in Ephesians. so this part of hades/sheol/hell/grave is empty.
I am stating opinion here, but I believe the paradise that is found within heaven/New jerusalem, is the paradise god planted for Adam and Eve. Rev. tells us the tree of life is found iin paqradise which is within heaven.
First of all, THERE ARE “HEAVEN(S)”, which notifies us an implication of LAYERS regarding Heaven.
* A lower Layer, of clouds, we can SEE, and even enter, VIA airplanes, and sometimes, going to the Peaks of Mountains.
* A middle Layer, without Clouds, we Can SEE, particularly on a DARK evening, by seeing the Twinkling of Stars, Representative of created holy Angels Estate, beyond where WE can Go.
* A high Layer, Exclusive to Gods Estate, whereby NO Light escapes.
Not a big secret...Noah’s natural body was SAVED FROM Gods Destruction UPON the FACE of the Earth...BECAUSE Noah’s body, was RAISED UP, above the FACE of the Earth, ABOVE the Mountain TOPS.
Not a big secret...DEAD Body’s SHALL BE RAISED UP, “in Glory” or “in Damnation”.
Not a big secret...A man’s Body, CRUCIFIED WITH Jesus’ Body, IS a man’s DEAD BODY.
At ANY TIME, that man’s DEAD BODY is RAISED UP, by the Power of God, That mans DEAD BODY It IS RAISED UP, IN GLORY.
A GLORIFIED BODY, IS NOT Visibly SEEN, BY “Corrupt Living Human EYES”.
WRATH is the EFFECT of Anger.
EFFECTS are what IS directed AT the thing that is CAUSING ANGER.
EFFECTS...such as: Words, throwing things, Hitting, Striking, Unleashing, etc.
ANGER is extreme DISPLEASURE of an OTHER behavior.
WRATH is WHAT ONE CAUSES TO EFFECT a DISPLEASING OTHER.
MEN can and do become ANGRY at an other mans displeasing behavior.
MEN can and do CAUSE WRATH against other men.
God Himself Can and Does become Angry at men’s displeasing behavior.
God Himself Can and Does CAUSE WRATH against men.
God HAS become SO Displeased, SO Angry at men, HE Caused ALL men to DIE, Drown, EXCEPT....8 manKIND of things.
God HAS WARNED AGAIN, and FOR the Second and Last Time...He would AGAIN Become SO Displeased, SO Angry at men, HE WILL Cause ALL Earthly MEN to DIE....
BY, THROUGH, OF....Gods GRACE...God Himself has “ESTABLISHED” “A WAY”...for ALL of manKIND:
1) TO Become DEAD, eternally.
2) TO Become DEAD, and MADE eternally ALIVE, born again OF Gods SEED.
THE CHOICE IS expressly, afforded TO Every single natural born mans OWN FREEWILL to CHOOSE for himself...WHAT his choice WILL Be.
“I am a naturally born manKIND of thing, GIVEN Gods Grace Offering, TO CHOOSE as I freely choose.
I Learned of Gods Grace. I Learned of Gods Offering. I Chose Gods Offering to GIVE my Body unto DEATH, FOR God, and that HE MAKE me eternally ALIVE, born of His SEED.
I am NOT, on Gods LIST of men He is ANGRY at.
I am NOT, on Gods LIST of men He is going to SUBJECT ME to “His” WRATH.
I am NOT, appointed to BE ON Earth, While God SENDS DOWN His WRATH FROM Heaven UPON the Whole Earth.
I HAVE NO Requested SERVICE to perform FOR GOD, ON EARTH, DURING, Gods Second and Last WRATH, UPON the Whole Earth.
I am SET APART, from ALL OTHERS, who ARE “WITHOUT Gods SEED”.
Yes, NOTHING new under the Sun. What was SHALL BE.
Yes, As “saved” Noah was Lifted UP off the Face of the Earth TO the Clouds, WHILE God Destroyed the whole Earth with Water....
So, ALSO, shall “saved” I be Lifted UP off the Face of the Earth TO the Clouds, WHILE God Destroys the whole Earth with Fire...
NOT my responsibility to hear, read, study, learn Gods Revealed Knowledge FOR YOU.
NOT my responsibility to Understand Gods Revealed Knowledge FOR YOU.
I am Confidant, Secure, Trusting in MY Relationship WITH God.
My Relationship WITH God, has nothing whatsoever to do WITH you, any more or less than My Relationship with My spouse, My children, My My family, My friends, My neighbors have anything whatsoever to do WITH you.
What happens on earth while you all are in Heaven ?
What specifically is the wrath of God ?
Paradise is not in Hades. Jesus said there was a great gulf inbetween the TWO PLACES.
Jesus went to Hades not paradise.
2nd IN Earth. (Comfort side of Hell/ Saved souls/ gulf division)
There is no comfort side of hell. That is unscriptural.
Paradise is not in Hades. Jesus said there was a great gulf inbetween the TWO PLACES.
Scripture says we have a soul:
1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I don't know. The bible is silent on that.
Wrath of the Lamb. Rev 6:16
Devils Wrath. Rev 12:12
Gods Wrath. Rev 16:1
7 last plagues. Rev 15:1
Image and likeness. You should look up the Hebrew definitions for those words.
And that means what to you ?Again it's the deception
So we know when Christ returns
we shall all be changed correct
,so my question is how many times does that happen(the change)?
Rapture happens you changed and then those left will be changed at the 2nd coming correct.