What Denomination was Jesus?

[Enoch111]

Can actions, beliefs, and practices turn a denomination into an Idol? If we place a denominational structure above Christ are we guilty?

For many, their denominations have become idols in the sense that they refuse to see the problems and deal with them. Some are totally committed to the teachings and activities of their denominations and cannot see the errors, others like the power that they have acquired through the denomination structure, and would not want to give that up. The we have the RCC and the LDS, both of which claim to be the true and sole church of Christ. Now we also have Chrislam which amalgamates Christianity and Islam (as though it were even possible to mix oil and water).

As to the question of the title, it is purely rhetorical. Jesus is the Head of the Church, which is His Body. He rebukes almost every church today as He did when He spoke to the seven churches in Asia Minor. Is anyone listening?

 

[JohnPaul]

I’m not pointing my finger at one church. Isn’t it interesting that you immediately thought about the RCC when I mentioned child molesters? Like I said we should have one church.

Because you used the word Priest and that is a Catholic title, that’s why. Had you said Pastor I would’ve thought a Protestant Church, so don’t play games you know what you were doing by using the word Priest,

 

[Bruce Atkinson]

Wow. What a divergence of ideas presented here.

What denomination was Jesus? Paul answered it clearly:

Galatians 4:4-5 (KJV)
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons (KJV)

All Jews were under the Mosaic Law.

A Nazarene? Yes. But that showed where He lived prior to beginning His ministry, not his denomination. As Nazareth was part of Israel, for all practical purposes, back then, with the exception of traders, everyone in Israel was Jewish...not like today. Treating being a Nazarene as a religion is like calling someone going to the 'church of New York' or 'church of Florida'.

Pagan blood in Him? Nope! Much has been written about the incompatibility between the mothers' blood and that of the baby in the womb. It's fairly common that the mothers' blood type and RH factor are different. If they were to intermix in any way, it would likely kill the baby. Nutrients, oxygen, etc, are transferred through the placenta which acts as a barrier in some kind of 2-way osmosis. So, other than the few Gentiles in Mary's genealogy 100s of years earlier, Mary was '100% Jewish'. The few pagan traces, if any, in Mary's egg would have 'selectively bred out' by God Himself when he fertilized it. For all we know, God may have created a 'genetically perfect' egg in Mary's ovaries to meet His sperm.

 

[TEXBOW]

It would be interesting to analyze the variances in the 1st century churches. Not the faults, rebukes or praises listed in the book of Revelation but the "statement of beliefs" each Church had (assuming) . I have always assumed they would have had very little differences and we most likely could never truly know what if any fundamental differences in doctrine they may have had. Since the planting of these Churches were supervised by 1st century Apostles and disciples I would think it would have taken some time for schism.

 

[Bruce Atkinson]

Because you used the word Priest and that is a Catholic title, that’s why. Had you said Pastor I would’ve thought a Protestant Church, so don’t play games you know what you were doing by using the word Priest,

To be clear..in the KJV, the term 'priest' was in use in the OT long before the Catholic Church came into being about 300 AD (I'm not sure of the date).
It's used in 404 verses in the OT and 74 in the NT.

 

[TEXBOW]

Wow. What a divergence of ideas presented here.

What denomination was Jesus? Paul answered it clearly:

Galatians 4:4-5 (KJV)
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons (KJV)

All Jews were under the Mosaic Law.

A Nazarene? Yes. But that showed where He lived prior to beginning His ministry, not his denomination. As Nazareth was part of Israel, for all practical purposes, back then, with the exception of traders, everyone in Israel was Jewish...not like today. Treating being a Nazarene as a religion is like calling someone going to the 'church of New York' or 'church of Florida'.

Pagan blood in Him? Nope! Much has been written about the incompatibility between the mothers' blood and that of the baby in the womb. It's fairly common that the mothers' blood type and RH factor are different. If they were to intermix in any way, it would likely kill the baby. Nutrients, oxygen, etc, are 'transferred' through the placenta which acts as a barrier in some kind of osmosis. So, other than the few Gentiles in Mary's genealogy 100s of years earlier, Mary was '100% Jewish'. The few pagan traces, if any, in Mary's egg would have 'selectively bred out' by God Himself when he fertilized it. For all we know, God may have created a 'genetically perfect' egg in Mary's ovaries to meet His sperm.

Bruce, I trust you understand that my title is strictly rhetorical. To be honest more like "click bait".

 

[JohnPaul]

To be clear..in the KJV, the term 'priest' was in use in the OT long before the Catholic Church came into being about 300 AD (I'm not sure of the date).
It's used in 404 verses in the OT and 74 in the NT.

You know he meant the Catholic Church

 

[TEXBOW]

You know he meant the Catholic Church

JohnPaul, 99% of the populations first thought would have been Catholic even without using the word Priest. Child molestation in the Church is attached to the Catholic Church forever I'm afraid. We've let a few thousand bad apples spoil the whole denomination .... Ok, bad joke. I would think the church would have a difficult time defending their theology much less all the child molestation charges. I just can't help it.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Bruce, I trust you understand that my title is strictly rhetorical. To be honest more like "click bait".

Yeah, I was just messing around with my post about the Nazarenes . . . although

Act 24:5 For we have found this man a plague, a creator of dissension among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes.

 

[Mantis]

Because you used the word Priest and that is a Catholic title, that’s why. Had you said Pastor I would’ve thought a Protestant Church, so don’t play games you know what you were doing by using the word Priest,

Pastor?Priest whatever. I'm not playing games. I assume you are a catholic since you are so defensive. No need to get all upset. I am not here to argue and fight.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Pastor?Priest whatever. I'm not playing games. I assume you are a catholic since you are so defensive. No need to get all upset. I am not here to argue and fight.

Context first.
Then application.

1Pe_2:5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
1Pe_2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

 

[JohnPaul]

Pastor?Priest whatever. I'm not playing games. I assume you are a catholic since you are so defensive. No need to get all upset. I am not here to argue and fight.

Actually I’m a former Catholic, what about the Falwell’s, or Rabbis that were caught with child pornography amd molesting kids, and the Pastor Haggard who was caught smoking crack and having homosexual sex while being married?

 

[TEXBOW]

Actually I’m a former Catholic, what about the Falwell’s, or Rabbis that were caught with child pornography amd molesting kids, and the Pastor Haggard who was caught smoking crack and having homosexual sex while being married?

All examples of falling from grace, abandoning their faith and NOT once saved always saved.

 

[rockytopva]

The smallest truly Christian denomination or organization….

If two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. - Matthew 18:19-20

Which, in Christianity has resulted in thousands of denomination or organizations.

Candlesticks - Seven church congregations - The seven churches - Revelations 1:20
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life

So I believe the church congregations as seven and Christ walks in the midst of all of us. This forms one church, but there are many differences and denominations among us...

Messianic - The original church
Martyr - Oriental church beginning with Paul
Pergamos - Orthodox church beginning at Constantinople
Thyatira - Catholic church beginning at Rome
Sardis - Protestant church beginning in Germany
Philadelphia - Revived church beginning in England
Laodicean - Materialistic church beginning in America

If I had to pick I would consider Jesus Christ Messianic and his time on earth was still under the first covenant. What marked the end of the first covenant…

10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.
11 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the Lord.
12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.
13 And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord.
14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel. - Zechariah 11

Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. - Matthew 26:14-15

The church age, then, began in Acts noting there has been many changes and variations since.

 

[Truman]

The smallest truly Christian denomination or organization….

If two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. - Matthew 18:19-20

Which, in Christianity has resulted in thousands of denomination or organizations.

Candlesticks - Seven church congregations - The seven churches - Revelations 1:20
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life

So I believe the church congregations as seven and Christ walks in the midst of all of us. This forms one church, but there are many differences and denominations among us...

Messianic - The original church
Martyr - Oriental church beginning with Paul
Pergamos - Orthodox church beginning at Constantinople
Thyatira - Catholic church beginning at Rome
Sardis - Protestant church beginning in Germany
Philadelphia - Revived church beginning in England
Laodicean - Materialistic church beginning in America

If I had to pick I would consider Jesus Christ Messianic his time on earth which was still under the first covenant. What marked the end of the first covenant…

10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.
11 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the Lord.
12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.
13 And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord.
14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel. - Zechariah 11

Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. - Matthew 26:14-15

The church age, the, began in Acts noting there has been many changes and variations since.

What if...there was to be an eighth congregation which consisted of all those the Lord Himself chose...from the beginning to the end? Could be a new beginning. The Lord knows.

 

[rockytopva]

What if...there was to be an eighth congregation which consisted of all those the Lord Himself chose...from the beginning to the end? Could be. The Lord knows.

I pray reminding God that he is the one above all and the church in his hands.

 

[Truman]

I pray reminding God that he is the one above all and the church in his hands.

As it should be.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Church of the Nazarene
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Interesting history..
- How & Why..it became a denomination.

My observation after doing some time with this denomination is that their procedures, protocols, and programs are geared to authoritarian oversight for the sake of organisational dominance. They are not unique in this, but along with the vehement ceasationism by some it was an obstacle and hinderance to spiritual growth.

 

[JohnPaul]

All examples of falling from grace, abandoning their faith and NOT once saved always saved.

Exactly, not just Catholic.

 

[Stumpmaster]

So I believe the church congregations as seven and Christ walks in the midst of all of us. This forms one church, but there are many differences and denominations among us...

Case in point . . .