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So God chose himself a people to put his name there.
That means God was before these people, right?
These people God called out were called Israel?
Was God an Israelite though?
Somewhere along the line Israel became known as the Jews. Even though only 2 of the ten tribes were of Judah.
Anywhoo.
So these Jews God gave them the law and they were brought under submission to it.
And in order to free the Jews, Jesus needed to submit himself under the same law.
So Jesus was born a Jew under the law.
Was Jesus a Jew?
Was Jesus with the Father before the world began?
How can Jesus be a Jew then?
And what is the origen of the Christian?
Did Christians originate with the Jews?
Does that mean Christians are Jews?
If one follws Christ, what denomination are they exactly?
What denomination is God?

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Does that mean Christians are Jews?
No. The implication there is that being a Jew is the criteria for salvation, when in fact being a new creation through faith in Christ is, even for the Israel of God (Jews that are followers of Christ).

Gal 6:14-16 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. (15) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation. (16) And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

Quote from Matthew Henry:
The Jews and judaizing teachers were for confining these blessings to such as were circumcised and kept the law of Moses; but, on the contrary, the apostle declares that they belong to all who walk according to the rule of the gospel, or of the new creature, even to all the Israel of God, intimating that those only are the true Israel of God who walk according to this rule, and not that of circumcision, which they insisted so much upon, and therefore that this was the true way to obtain peace and mercy.
 
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No. The implication there is that being a Jew is the criteria for salvation, when in fact being a new creation through faith in Christ is, even for the Israel of God (Jews that are followers of Christ).

Gal 6:14-16 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. (15) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation. (16) And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

Quote from Matthew Henry:
The Jews and judaizing teachers were for confining these blessings to such as were circumcised and kept the law of Moses; but, on the contrary, the apostle declares that they belong to all who walk according to the rule of the gospel, or of the new creature, even to all the Israel of God, intimating that those only are the true Israel of God who walk according to this rule, and not that of circumcision, which they insisted so much upon, and therefore that this was the true way to obtain peace and mercy.
I was thinking of Abraham.
And God's denomination is FAITH.

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I was thinking of Abraham.
And God's denomination is FAITH.

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Yes, Paul writes that only a right relationship with God can define a descendant of Abraham, spiritually speaking. "For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God" (Romans 2:28–29).

The naming of fellowships, congregations, assemblies etc, is convenient and often a necessary legal requirement.

Imagine a set-up called "God's Denomination". Hmm. Wonder if I should start it here . . .
 
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Yes, Paul writes that only a right relationship with God can define a descendant of Abraham, spiritually speaking. "For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God" (Romans 2:28–29).

The naming of fellowships, congregations, assemblies etc, is convenient and often a necessary legal requirement.

Imagine a set-up called "God's Denomination". Hmm. Wonder if I should start it here . . .
I once attended a group called The Church of God.
Armstrong I believe was the founder. I went twice and felt real invited there, but they were located some ways from my home. And then I guess they changed names or something and I lost contact.
I actually quit smoking for the two weeks I attended without even trying.
Perhaps it was the atmosphere.. I don't know.
God's Denomination sounds good to me
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All examples of falling from grace, abandoning their faith and NOT once saved always saved.

How many believers have committed the same sins as the fallen church leadership? I'd wager that many, if not all in this forum have. The leaders aren't alone, just more 'visible' thanks to the media, etc.

Remember, too, that Satan works overtime to corrupt church leadership. By corrupting one church leader, the entire church is affected by lack of preaching correct doctrine, misapplication of scripture, you name it. Whether it's a congregation of 10 or of 10,000, that's a lot of 'bang for the buck' from Satans' point of view. Satan already knows he's lost the war. But by neutralizing one or more people in the congregation that have the gift of evangelism, the number of potential new believers is reduced as well.

As for once saved always saved, Jesus claimed it's unconditionally true -

John 10:25-29 (KJV)
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Does the sins we committed today prevent us from spending eternity with Jesus and the saints in heaven? Of course not. 1 John 1:9 proves it:

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (KJV)

Jesus' death on the cross has absolutely, positively paid for all our sins, past, present and future. His death was 'payment in full'.

For what it's worth, I read a few years ago that the traveling evangelist I saw and heard one week after reading a Gideon Bible cover-to-cover 23 years ago fell because his wife was unfaithful while he was traveling. Thankfully, I was saved that night at his invitation.

 
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Exactly, not just Catholic.


They did not “ Fall From Grace”...... they Sinned. To “ Fall From Grace” means that one has ADDED to Pauls Gospel Of Pure Grace , Given to Him by Jesus personally.....If you think that Jesus Alone is ESSENTIAL for Salvation , but not Fully ADEQUATE for Salvation.....if you say “ Jesus Saves— BUT!” —— you are in that “ Fallen” Crowd......Read Galatians and learn to understand the True Meanings of these Terms.....
 
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Jesus was “ A Jew’s Jew” in His Earthly Ministry......


The Bible says that a “ Jew” is Anybody whose Heart is Right with God....
 

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They did not “ Fall From Grace”...... they Sinned. To “ Fall From Grace” means that one has ADDED to Pauls Gospel Of Pure Grace , Given to Him by Jesus personally.....If you think that Jesus Alone is ESSENTIAL for Salvation , but not Fully ADEQUATE for Salvation.....if you say “ Jesus Saves— BUT!” —— you are in that “ Fallen” Crowd......Read Galatians and learn to understand the True Meanings of these Terms.....
Jesus is the only way to Salvation, where did I say he wasn't fully adequate?

You quote my post but I wasn't the one who originally said it, and yes you have fallen from Grace if you keep repeating the sin over and over again, like many of the people mentioned, plus they are lying to their ministry and flock at the same time by preaching to them and at the same time while committing acts, of Pedophilia, smoking drugs and committing homosexual acts and like those Rabbis with child porn, or like the Fallwells, where the guy is paying his son's teenage son to have sex with his wife so he can watch or the wife jumping into bed with the son's friends who would sleep over and give them oral sex and intercourse from what I've read.

Yeah I think you pretty much have fallen from Grace unless you stop and repent and beg forgiveness for the sins committed.

These people just care about making money and not their ministry, they don't even believe in God by doing things like that, or the fear of God alone would stop them from committing those acts.
 

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The denomination we belong to is only as valid inasmuch as it practices, teaches, and expresses the character of Christ. Study the character of Christ... His traditions and practises... Without reinterpreting them to suit your current paradigm...Then join the denomination that best reflects what you found. Easy.
 
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How many believers have committed the same sins as the fallen church leadership? I'd wager that many, if not all in this forum have. The leaders aren't alone, just more 'visible' thanks to the media, etc.

Remember, too, that Satan works overtime to corrupt church leadership. By corrupting one church leader, the entire church is affected by lack of preaching correct doctrine, misapplication of scripture, you name it. Whether it's a congregation of 10 or of 10,000, that's a lot of 'bang for the buck' from Satans' point of view. Satan already knows he's lost the war. But by neutralizing one or more people in the congregation that have the gift of evangelism, the number of potential new believers is reduced as well.

As for once saved always saved, Jesus claimed it's unconditionally true -

John 10:25-29 (KJV)
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Does the sins we committed today prevent us from spending eternity with Jesus and the saints in heaven? Of course not. 1 John 1:9 proves it:

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (KJV)

Jesus' death on the cross has absolutely, positively paid for all our sins, past, present and future. His death was 'payment in full'.

For what it's worth, I read a few years ago that the traveling evangelist I saw and heard one week after reading a Gideon Bible cover-to-cover 23 years ago fell because his wife was unfaithful while he was traveling. Thankfully, I was saved that night at his invitation.
Those Priest, Pastors, Reverends and Rabbis are in a position of leadership and example by leading their flock, but don't keep committing those acts while preaching to the choir, and raking in millions and living in fancy mansions, and driving fancy cars and keep those positions until you get caught, then all of sudden like Jimmy Swaggart you start crying in public with crocodile tears and say Lord forgive for I have sinned, only because you got caught or you'd still be committing those acts.

Yes we've all committed some sin or another, but I've never and I'm sure others on here have never committed pedophilia, or smoked crack and picking up men in public bathrooms to have homosexual sex or have child porn or ever even seen child porn God forbid, or paid someone to have sex with their wife while they watch, or their wives jumping into bed with theirs son's teenage friends who sleep over.

Jesus death on the Cross paid for all of our sins, but that doesn't mean you can keep committing acts of sexual atrocity and keep being forgiven, I don't believe in the once saved always saved thing, that just gives you a green pass to keep committing those acts and say "well I'm Saved so I can keep doing what I want", at one point you have to repent and stick to, not only because you got caught.
 

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Jesus is the only way to Salvation, where did I say he wasn't fully adequate?

You quote my post but I wasn't the one who originally said it, and yes you have fallen from Grace if you keep repeating the sin over and over again, like many of the people mentioned, plus they are lying to their ministry and flock at the same time by preaching to them and at the same time while committing acts, of Pedophilia, smoking drugs and committing homosexual acts and like those Rabbis with child porn, or like the Fallwells, where the guy is paying his son's teenage son to have sex with his wife so he can watch or the wife jumping into bed with the son's friends who would sleep over and give them oral sex and intercourse from what I've read.

Yeah I think you pretty much have fallen from Grace unless you stop and repent and beg forgiveness for the sins committed.

These people just care about making money and not their ministry, they don't even believe in God by doing things like that, or the fear of God alone would stop them from committing those acts.



What I tried to Biblically explain said went right over your head....”Sinning” and “ Falling From Grace” are NOT the same thing.....Pease Read Galatians , Chapter Five.......
 

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What I tried to Biblically explain said went right over your head....”Sinning” and “ Falling From Grace” are NOT the same thing.....Pease Read Galatians , Chapter Five.......
I know the difference. It only went over my head, was I the one who originally posted those words? Perhaps it went over your head
 

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It would be interesting to analyze the variances in the 1st century churches. Not the faults, rebukes or praises listed in the book of Revelation but the "statement of beliefs" each Church had (assuming) . I have always assumed they would have had very little differences and we most likely could never truly know what if any fundamental differences in doctrine they may have had. Since the planting of these Churches were supervised by 1st century Apostles and disciples I would think it would have taken some time for schism.
The variances that existed in the 1st century Church were a result of false doctrines being spread by false converts that infiltrated it and apostates who strayed away from the truth. All of the congregations were taught the same gospel, so the set of beliefs would've been exactly the same in Galatia as they were in Jerusalem. As Gal. 2, 1 Cor. 1, and Rom. 16 show, schisms were a problem even when most of the original apostles were still alive, but it wasn't until John died that the various groups that caused the schisms morphed into what people recognize today as Orthodox Christianity.
 

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During a harmless conversation with a Catholic man some years ago I said
Jesus wasn't a Christian. Well; I must have triggered a breaker in his head
because that man suddenly became very bipolar and actually bared his teeth
as he got into my face with a militant apologetic.
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Jesus had pagan blood running in his veins according to his genealogy. I'd say he was pretty denominated :)
Not that it matters much, but if you're referring to Ruth, the Moabites were descendants of "righteous " Lot, the nephew of Abraham. Not all the followers of the God of Abraham were Hebrews. Even the Ishmaelites worshipped the same God, including the father in law of Moses, Jethro of Midian.

In the conquest of Canaan it was only the Canaanites that God commanded be put to "the ban." The other tribes encountered during the Exodus were to be offered peace along the way and dealt with based upon their response to the request to allow Israel to pass through the land, "neither turning to the left or the right."

The genealogy in Matthew is just establishing that Jesus was the inheritor of the promises to Abraham and David. The genealogy in Luke is given for similar reasons but goes back to Adam to establish that Jesus is the savior of mankind, not just the Jews (Luke was a gentile.)

Both genealogies have some unsavory individuals and the point taken is that righteousness isn't a matter of blood lines, but of faith.

So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. Luke 18:19

I'm guessing that you understand all this already, but some people on the forum clearly don't.
 

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So God chose himself a people to put his name there.
That means God was before these people, right?
These people God called out were called Israel?
Was God an Israelite though?
Somewhere along the line Israel became known as the Jews. Even though only 2 of the ten tribes were of Judah.
Anywhoo.
So these Jews God gave them the law and they were brought under submission to it.
And in order to free the Jews, Jesus needed to submit himself under the same law.
So Jesus was born a Jew under the law.
Was Jesus a Jew?
Was Jesus with the Father before the world began?
How can Jesus be a Jew then?
And what is the origen of the Christian?
Did Christians originate with the Jews?
Does that mean Christians are Jews?
If one follws Christ, what denomination are they exactly?
What denomination is God?

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Jesus was born a Hebrew of the tribe of Judah, so yes, He was a Jew. How could He be a rabbi without being Jewish?
God could have chosen any people through which to reveal Himself, but He chose the least of all peoples to bless in obedience to His word and to curse in disobedience to the same, as an example to all nations so that they all might learn to fear the Lord.
6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” Revelation 14:6-7
 
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Context first.
Then application.

1Pe_2:5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
1Pe_2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

Don't forget high priest

Net Bible Heb 5:5 So also Christ did not glorify himself in becoming high priest, but the one who glorified him was God, who said to him, "You are my Son! Today I have fathered you," Heb 5:6 as also in another place God says, "You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek."
 
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