What do you think about gender equality in Christianity?

[Taken]

What do you think about gender equality in Christianity?
OP ^

I believe from the Beginning of Gods creation AND making the Earth and it's inhabitants, God Established His express:
Order and Way for the benefit of ALL of "His" Creations and Making.

Not particularly news, (Angelic spirits were created and made, with freewill and Mankind was created and made, with freewill)... and BOTH (Angelic spirits and Mankind)...are DIVIDED within their own; meaning:

Angelic spirits have divided amongst themselves;
Some thinking themselves wiser and more powerful than God, and have abandoned Gods "Order and Way"...
Devising their own "order and way".

And the Same for mankind, who have divided amongst themselves;
Some thinking themselves wiser and more powerful than God, and have abandoned Gods "Order and Way"...
Devising their own "order and way".

Gods "Order and Way" has always been,
God First, then man, then woman, then child.
People focus on the question of "gender equality" wonderment, specific to Christianity, to Preaching, to work place, to household, etc.

For 4,000 years, (divided people)...
Some maintained: God, man, woman, child.
Some abandoned the Heavenly God.
Some established: their own Order: man or woman or the moon or statues or animals First as their god.

2,000 years ago, Jesus arrived on Earth,
He sought after those whose Historical fathers stood with God First, to refresh their History and introduce them to Gods Word of Salvation "now" for them.

Jesus chose men, to hear Him and Learn from Him.
Then quickly it was Revealed, men are fallible, and can go off the rails, to instigate their own ideas, outside of the Lords Teaching.

We then discover, the "Order and Way",
Elimination...God man woman, child.
When the man is Not filling the order between God, and the woman...
The Woman Who Fills the Order of God First, and She the Woman, next, IS most acceptable.
( And in today's climate of society promotion and acceptability;
OF Abandoning God, rejecting God and men Abandoning their Wives....Many woman move up in the Order.)
(Not to neglect, woman in this day, also abandon God and husbands, reject God, and we certainly observe the effect on children following suit, following by their parental example, of rejecting a God, they never knew.)

Jesus taught, promoted, and Offered Salvation, in a Specific Way;
First to the Jews, Then to all the Tribes, Then to the Gentiles, thereafter: "without a hierarchy Order, of Gender, of Race, of age."

Any person, Accepting of Jesus' Offering, (according to His WAY) of Salvation "now", ARE the Divided, Sanctified (set apart) exclusively unto Him, Justified to be Redeemed by Him, without consideration of Gender, Race, Age, etc.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[TLHKAJ]

1. It assumes Adam was there when the scriptures actually say no such thing. This is an occultist interpretation of the narrative, and bears no resemblance to the Christian take on the story.

Why do you consider the Word of God "occult"? Read. It is plain in scripture.

“And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.” — Genesis 3:6 (KJV)

 

[Jostler]

Genesis 3:6 NKJV — So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

 

[Jostler]

ditto. ;)

 

[Jostler]

I'm betting this division is being brought into visibility by God Himself. Wow....

 

[TLHKAJ]

Genesis 3:6 NKJV — So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

ditto. ;)

 

[Jostler]

So, Adam was there....the rest of that rant is just as reliable .... :)

 

[TLHKAJ]

It's astonishing how many men make such great claims of being Godly and superior and cannot (or refuse to) read and acknowledge what His Word says.

I'm blessed to see a real man or two here in this thread...

 

[Hidden In Him]

Why do you consider the Word of God "occult"? Read. It is plain in scripture.

“And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.” — Genesis 3:6 (KJV)

Genesis 3:6 NKJV — So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

Hello, guys. Just getting back. The inference here is that these events all happened simultaneously, when a close analysis of the text reveals it did not. It says she ate, and then it says she and her husband with her ate. If they both ate in the initial event it would simply read that they both ate, but the text states that she first ate by herself. The second time she ate, it was after convincing him to eat and then he ate with her. This is the meaning of the text.

 

[Jostler]

Hello, guys. Just getting back. The inference here is that these events all happened simultaneously, when a close analysis of the text reveals it did not. It says she ate, and then it says she and her husband with her ate. If they both ate in the initial event it would simply read that they both ate, but the text states that she first at by herself. The second time she ate, it was after convincing him to eat and then he ate with her. This is the meaning of the text.

 

[Jostler]

You can't make this ip....gobsmacked...
Seriously. :)

 

[Hidden In Him]

Hello, guys. Just getting back. The inference here is that these events all happened simultaneously, when a close analysis of the text reveals it did not. It says she ate, and then it says she and her husband with her ate. If they both ate in the initial event it would simply read that they both ate, but the text states that she first at by herself. The second time she ate, it was after convincing him to eat and then he ate with her. This is the meaning of the text.

This is also inferred by Paul, were he says, "For Adam was formed first, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression." If they were both there during the initial event then they both would have been deceived, and the text would read, "And the man and woman, both being deceived, were in transgression." If Adam was there in the initial event and was not deceived into eating but ate knowing what he was doing, then it would make no sense why Eve's judgment appears to be worse than Adam's, or why God placed Adam above Eve in authority, unless of course you take the Gnostic view that the Old Testament God was an evil, despicable, detestable, hateful and Satanic being who has only wanted to abuse and torture humanity since the beginning.

I don't take that view because I am not Gnostic. I am orthodox, though they are certainly welcome to it. But they place themselves at odds with the Most High God; the God who created them and wanted to restore them to Paradise after the fall. If they forever regard Him as evil, they will have only themselves to blame for their judgment in the afterlife.

 

[Hidden In Him]

You can't make this ip....gobsmacked...
Seriously. :)

What do you mean? LoL.

 

[Jostler]

A flat statement in the Word becomes an "inference" if it disagrees with uou? Yes....gobsmacked....

 

[Hidden In Him]

A flat statement in the Word becomes an "inference" if it disagrees with uou? Yes....gobsmacked....

If you disagree, answer Post #92. My inference is based off of Paul's statements. What is your inference from it?

 

[Hidden In Him]

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Not sure I understand, Jostler. You are quoting me, but you didn't add anything in response.

 

[Jostler]

Adam heard the Lord's command not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil straight from God Himself. Eve did not, she wasn't even in existence at the time. Adam knew the score...he was not deceived. He consciously rebelled.

 

[TLHKAJ]

If they were both there during the initial event then they both would have been deceived, and the text would read, "And the man and woman, both being deceived, were in transgression." If Adam was there in the initial event and was not deceived into eating but ate knowing what he was doing,

Adam is credited for the fall of all of mankind ....by one man, sin entered the world.... that would be Adam.
Come down off your high horse, Chris!! You're buying into a lie. No wonder the churches are so messed up. No one wants the truth anymore.

Romans 5:14-21 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¹⁴ Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. ¹⁵ But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. ¹⁶ And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. ¹⁷ For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) ¹⁸ Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. ¹⁹ For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. ²⁰ Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: ²¹ That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Adam heard the Lord's command not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil straight from God Himself. Eve did not, she wasn't even in existence at the time. Adam knew the score...he was not deceived. He consciously rebelled.

Jostler, this does not answer my questions. If Adam was there in the initial event and was not deceived into eating but ate knowing what he was doing, then it would make no sense why Eve's judgment appears to be worse than Adam's, or why God placed Adam above Eve in authority, unless of course you take the Gnostic view that the Old Testament God was an evil, despicable, detestable, hateful and Satanic being who has only wanted to abuse and torture humanity since the beginning.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Adam is credited for the fall of all of mankind ....by one man, sin entered the world.... that would be Adam.
Come down off your high horse, Chris!! You're buying into a lie. No wonder the churches are so messed up. No one wants the truth anymore.

Romans 5:14-21 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¹⁴ Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. ¹⁵ But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. ¹⁶ And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. ¹⁷ For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) ¹⁸ Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. ¹⁹ For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. ²⁰ Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: ²¹ That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Sister, I am well aware of this passage. The problem is you are not taking into account the passage I quoted you in Post #92. You cannot isolate OUT one passage of scripture from the picture and arrive at a sound interpretation of the whole. It will be skewed if you do not account for ALL passages on the subject, and in responding to my post you have not addressed the passage I cited.