Carl Emerson
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That is not what not believing in OSAS means.
Just call it OSNS for clarity.
That's Once Saved Not Saved.
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That is not what not believing in OSAS means.
But that would be inaccurate. Just because a person could potentially stop believing, and as a result lose the eternally efficacious ministry and sacrifice of Jesus, that does not mean you weren't saved while you believed in it. Eternal life/salvation means it will never fail you or come to an end because the ministry and sacrifice that provided it is perfect and never ends. The 'salvation' the Levitical system provided failed and came to an end when the Priest officiating at the altar on your behalf was unclean, or failed to perform his duties correctly, or he died, preventing him from continuing to minister on your behalf. Not so with Jesus' ministry. His sacrifice is perfect and He lives forever, and so the effect of his ministry is eternal:Just call it OSNS for clarity.
That's Once Saved Not Saved.
What's the outcome for you? Your wife would drag you by the ear and make you take it back to Walmart and apologize to the manager. As far as your salvation is concerned? Since you are a believer that sin was instantly covered by the continuous intercessory ministry of Christ and his sacrifice in heaven that you trust and believe in. You'd have to go back to unbelief for it to not be covered.just for the sake of argument......any type or stealing would be a “Willful Sin”, so as a Born Again Believer , if I decide to pilfer a Snicker Bar as I am strolling out of Wal- Mart and have a heart attack and die before it dawned on me that I needed to Repent.....what is the outcome for me? Thanks for your response.
No, the promise is sure and steady for the believing, not for those who never believed or who stopped believing.OSNS is devoid of promise.
Peter denied Christ three times and what happened?
Jesus made the move and confirmed His love for Peter.
The Heart of God is to Love.
He knows that we are but clay.
...but not as a matter of an unrepentant lifestyle. That's what John is saying in 1 John 3:9-10. The person who is not being changed by the Holy Spirit does not have the Holy Spirit and so they remain exactly where they are in their habitual, unrepentant life of willful sin. Born again people, on the other hand, are growing up into Christ, struggling with sin, not living in it comfortably and willing, and learning to sin less and less. That is the mark of the true born again believer.The Born Again “ CAN” and “ DO” commit willful sins quite frequently.
There is no controversy in what you said. We all agree that a person is made righteous through their faith in the blood. We all agree works do not make a person righteous. What must happen between justification and being saved from the wrath of God on judgment day is what we disagree on. By virtue of what faith is and what it means to have a new, born again nature, you must also be justified (shown to be righteous) by your works:No “likes” In response to this? I’m surprised by that ....am I alone in my Thinking here with this post? I couldn’t care less about “ approval” — I just try to pass on things that I think are true that could help people— especially Newbies....just curious as to why there was not much of a positive response to what I thought was a good way to present a Valid and Biblical Doctrine....any thoughts? Any disagreements ? Thanks to anybody that responds....
Oh, BB! You could have saved all that computer ink if you'd just understood I'm in no way shape or form saying or even suggesting that 1 John 3:9 means born again people never ever sin. And since I'm not saying that, there is nothing here for me to respond to. It's not my argument.How is this possible if your “ Take” on 1John 3:9 is the correct one ? If it is not possible for a Believer to sin anymore, why do we need Jesus as the “ Advocate” That He says that He is....why have a “ Throne Of Grace” that we are to go to when we SIN....why does God “ Chastise ” ERRANT Children....why does even James admit that we ALL STUMBLE?
The Bible talks about “ Spiritual Warfare” ......what do you think that is referring to....the Flesh will battle against the Spirit until the day that we die....
If you want to base everything on your pet verse , I’ll do the same thing with mine....how do you explain THIS one —— “ If we say that we are without SIN, we call God a Liar”.
What's the outcome for you? Your wife would drag you by the ear and make you take it back to Walmart and apologize to the manager. As far as your salvation is concerned? Since you are a believer that sin was instantly covered by the continuous intercessory ministry of Christ and his sacrifice in heaven that you trust and believe in. You'd have to go back to unbelief for it to not be covered.
Oh, BB! You could have saved all that computer ink if you'd just understood I'm in no way shape or form saying or even suggesting that 1 John 3:9 means born again people never ever sin. And since I'm not saying that, there is nothing here for me to respond to. It's not my argument.
...but not as a matter of an unrepentant lifestyle. That's what John is saying in 1 John 3:9-10. The person who is not being changed by the Holy Spirit does not have the Holy Spirit and so they remain exactly where they are in their habitual, unrepentant life of willful sin. Born again people, on the other hand, are growing up into Christ, struggling with sin, not living in it comfortably and willing, and learning to sin less and less. That is the mark of the true born again believer.
No, the promise is sure and steady for the believing, not for those who never believed or who stopped believing.
No, the promise is sure and steady for the believing, not for those who never believed or who stopped believing.
"23Let us hold resolutely to the hope we profess, for He who promised is faithful." Hebrews 10:23Since he is faithful and, therefore, the promise so sure, we are exhorted to hold fast to it. You can see from that verse that God and the faithfulness of his promise is what is secure, not that you'll always believe in it and not cast it away in unbelief.
Purposely and knowingly rejecting the testimony of the Holy Spirit about Jesus.1. What is the Unforgivable Sin ???
For the Christian, generally speaking, no. It is not forgivable.2. Is the sin of unbelief forgivable ???
In order to be saved when Jesus comes back? No.3. Do you have to repent of every sin before death?
Here it is:But if you have gone back to unbelief you no longer have the blood of Christ protecting you from the eternal penalty for your sin.
Sounds logical to the mind of man, but does
not appear to be backed up by Scripture.
To not be "snatched" from the hand of God implies being removed by someone or something outside of yourself by force. That is surely what will not, and cannot happen:“ NOTHING can take you from my hand”. “ Nothing means NOTHING and that would include YOU and anything you” DO” or “ DON’T ” do.
Read your own words! That promise is for believing people, not people who never believed or who have stopped believing. Why do you keep choosing to ignore this scriptural fact?“ All Those That Believe In Me *ALREADY HAVE* Eternal Life and shall *NEVER* come under Condemnation” .... NEVER means NEVER!
Yes, he already HAD, but who does not now have, because he is in unbelief, because only those who continue in their believing are of the household of God:A Believer that fell into the Error and Sin Of Unbelief, once he had already Believed previously is Covered —- Salvation was something he ALREADY HAD