What is "Parousia"?

[David in NJ]

Mankind has remained the same since the ark had landed. Noah was still a sinner, and evil continued onward.

Jesus was the one who had reconciled mankind back to the Father, by the Father working in and through him.

2 Corinthians 5:18

And all of this is a gift from God, who brought us back to himself through Christ. And God has given us this task of reconciling people to him.



It was hell to reject God and worship something other than him. No rest was given. Paranoia and dark thoughts inside the souls of those who rejected and decide to worship the beast. This reminds me also a bit of chapter 13 in which talks about Nero, Rome and Jerusalem. It’s been a little while since I really studied I like talking about it.

Jerusalem would be subdued by Rome shortly after Nero had died, and then the temple would be taken down by fire becoming rubble and the cities burned down, with 1,000,000 Jewish people dead, in 70Ad, and I believe it was a festival of the feasting and remember Christ day.

But you may not believe any of that information is viable to even suggest or consider.

JESUS suffered and died in our place so that we can be accepted by the FATHER and delivered from His Coming Wrath.
This means we must now adhere to His words for God only speaks Truth to us.
If we reject His words then we are rejecting Him as well.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.

Denying God's words and even worse teach/speak against them = you will not be accepted by God.

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

 

[MatthewG]

The wrath contextually would befall on Jerusalem. Now people today are at free from the bondage of sin and death which they were delivered from as well and lived in faith and by the spirit. God proclaimed he would end up divorcing Israel, and when Jesus came he was setting up the bride of Christ that would be those would experience the resurrection first, and those who would also be saved in the day that the fire of God came down upon them by the use of the Roman Empire.

Now today in my opinion it is Jesus who is king, and God is in control and people have to decide if they will give up their own life for Christ and allow Christ to be the life of the believer and having prayerful relationship with God and reading and making time to read the scripture. Those are the things that really renew the mind, if you allow God to work in and through you by the spirit of Christ within, and he will reward those who seek in faith.

Many good study bibles out there if people are interested Thompson chain reference is my preferred.

Then again maybe I am wrong, I don’t know everything but do know some things, because through life of reading the Bible you notice that Jesus never talks to you specifically ever in it. That can change the perception for some if they can address it and unpack it to understand what the contents contain over all by reading and looking at every thing one can as far as research.

 

[amigo de christo]

Do you think the story of Job is just some arbitrary Book in the Bible???

Job is a End Time Prophet.

The word of the Lord came again to me, saying: “Son of man, when a land sins against Me by persistent unfaithfulness,
I will stretch out My hand against it; I will cut off its supply of bread, send famine on it, and cut off man and beast from it.
Even if these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they would deliver only themselves by their righteousness,”
says the Lord God

It is not by mere chance that God spoke of these 3 Prophets to Ezekiel...........

But pay careful attention and let me know if you SEE here

 

[MatthewG]

Yes Jesus died and suffered also for the sheep of Israel to, the bride of Christ which would be the first ones to go on to be with God through the resurrection, in which those who were redeemed by seeing the Lord having come were changed in the twinkling of the eye, @David in NJ.

This is why I believe that God gives a spiritual body to people in the afterlife, and Christian’s build up their foundation on Christ and the apostles and to seek to love God and to love others; even if they are not believers; and to be honest in love to them.

Looks like Paul was doing his due diligence in writing to the people of Thessalonica. It was going to be in which they would be saved and delivered from the wrath which was going to befall on Jerusalem.

John the Baptist had this same message a the start of Jesus and his ministry.

Are you starting to understand how it is beneficial to consider the writer and the audience of the writer or do you see that as insignificant?

 

[amigo de christo]

Choose ye this day CHRIST JESUS , for in He alone is eternal life . that you may forever live in Him .
A blessing unto those who do believe . but beware HIS WORD will be the judge of all who denied Him .
The gospel truly is a song of beauty , of life and life everlasting . But to deny HE who GOD did send
is death that leadeth only to the second death . GOD has showed us what LIFE IS and that this life is in CHRIST JESUS HIS SON and IN HE ALONE . Let no man teachotherwise and let none reject the gospel .

 

[amigo de christo]

Recieve the blessing in CHRIST given from GOD . Reject the other false love all inclusive lie that the dragon has presented
unto mankind . For the dragon desires death for all peoples . CHOOSE YE CHRIST JESUS
and not the all inclusive lie of the dragon . CHOOSE CHRIST . HE WILL BE THE JUDGE on the last day
WHO will say either well done or depart from me . HE will tread the winepress of the wrath of GOD .
HE will not be denied for this other gospel . YE MUST BELIEVE . YOU MUST BELIEVE IN HE WHO GOD DID SEND .
ALL else is of darkness and vainity and leads only the dead unto the second death .

 

[MatthewG]

Yes, amen amigo.

It is good to serve God and to love him. To have relationship and ask him to help you by the spirit, and have fellowship with the Father, and the Son by a through reading the bible. To grow in knowledge of God and who he had sent which is eternal life is a supplemental effort all people have to choose to make, allowing the mind to be renewed and the heart changed by God through the spirit.

People who reject or do not believe yet may not know who God truly is and what all his son has done; though those who reject and desire nothing to do with God. God gives them up to their own desires and he will take care of them as needed; and perhaps can even provide a turn around for those who start seeking the light. God also set a place up outside the kingdom which the unbelievers are able to roam about which is shown in revelation 21-22.

Praise be to the Father, and the son for all they have done for the world.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes Jesus died and suffered also for the sheep of Israel to, the bride of Christ which would be the first ones to go on to be with God through the resurrection, in which those who were redeemed by seeing the Lord having come were changed in the twinkling of the eye, @David in NJ.

This is why I believe that God gives a spiritual body to people in the afterlife, and Christian’s build up their foundation on Christ and the apostles and to seek to love God and to love others; even if they are not believers; and to be honest in love to them.

Looks like Paul was doing his due diligence in writing to the people of Thessalonica. It was going to be in which they would be saved and delivered from the wrath which was going to befall on Jerusalem.

John the Baptist had this same message a the start of Jesus and his ministry.

Are you starting to understand how it is beneficial to consider the writer and the audience of the writer or do you see that as insignificant?

The wrath of God is upon all who do not know and love the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:1-3
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Love the the Truth and never speak against it.

 

[MatthewG]

The wrath of God is upon all who do not know and love the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:1-3
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Love the the Truth and never speak against it.

That is what sometimes saved is referred to by Jesus and the apostles, in which those who looked towards Jesus would be saved from that wrath of God which was going to fall upon the nation of Jerusalem.

People in Jerusalem there were some whom were saved and those whom were destroyed along with their genealogies of their lines, in this divorcing of Israel.

You may quote the scripture as you desire to prove a point; and by nature we all were once children of wrath; but that wrath was not going to poured out on the gentiles. It was going to be poured out on the nation of Israel for their blasphemous ways of living in which they did not show true love towards God and were indignant of others. The wrath of God was never poured out on the Son of God either as some people may believe.

Then again it all comes down how you will perceive scripture the best thing is always chapter 1 to the end of the book to get a fuller understanding, in which context does matter and is important that is just my encouragement to anyone.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes Jesus died and suffered also for the sheep of Israel to, the bride of Christ which would be the first ones to go on to be with God through the resurrection, in which those who were redeemed by seeing the Lord having come were changed in the twinkling of the eye, @David in NJ.

This is why I believe that God gives a spiritual body to people in the afterlife, and Christian’s build up their foundation on Christ and the apostles and to seek to love God and to love others; even if they are not believers; and to be honest in love to them.

Looks like Paul was doing his due diligence in writing to the people of Thessalonica. It was going to be in which they would be saved and delivered from the wrath which was going to befall on Jerusalem.

John the Baptist had this same message a the start of Jesus and his ministry.

Are you starting to understand how it is beneficial to consider the writer and the audience of the writer or do you see that as insignificant?

Writer = "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God"

Audience A = "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

audience b = "whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

 

[MatthewG]

Writer = "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God"

Audience A = "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

audience b = "whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

that is not justifiable.

“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Ephesians 1:1-2 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus C | King James Version (KJV) | Down

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus C

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“Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons: grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Philippians 1:1-2 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons: grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the | King James Version (KJV) | Do

Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons: grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the

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“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother, to the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Colossians 1:1-2 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother, to the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father an | King James Version (KJV) | Dow

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother, to the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father an

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“Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

1 Thessalonians 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus C | King James Version (KJV) |

Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus C

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“John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Revelation 1:4-5 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; and from Jes | King James Version (KJV) | Dow

John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; and from Jes

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“James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

James 1:1-4 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; knowing this, that | King James Version (KJV) | Download

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; knowing this, that

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“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Hebrews 1:1-3 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by who | King James Version (KJV) | Downlo

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by who

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The writer of Hebrew addresses people whom are Jewish, same with James, Paul writes to gentiles even more specifically to Timothy.

“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

1 Timothy 1:1-2 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father an | King James Version (KJV) | Down

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father an

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Are you starting to see the people in the time of that age ?

 

[amigo de christo]

Writer = "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God"

Audience A = "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

audience b = "whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Inclusivity has run amuck and has drowned many in its rivers of delusion . But the lambs shall cling to their LORD
and to His gosple and all things pleasing unto Him .
This is a war david that has long been . We have now entered where true lambs went before . In an all out
battle for the souls of men . The LORD is with the lambs and HE alone is who they do follow .
Contend , contend , contend for the true faith . For the hour cometh that the door will close
and in that day , in that hour it will be too late . WHEN once the master of the HOUSE has risen up
and closed the door . Till that day and that hour , the lambs must contend till the last and final breath for the glorious
truth of the gospel of the LORD . Teaching all things He did teach . Let the LORD be praised .

 

[amigo de christo]

All things , whether Christ , paul , james , peter or john did say was and is for the good of the church .
Again i see one who has bought the lines of men . The apostels were writing to BELIEVERS .
Rest assured their were both jew and gentile believers in the church . And paul was writing to both groups .
What is good for one is good for the other .
The TRUTH in hebrews is good for any believer to take heed unto
as well as any other letter written and recorded in that bible .
So many folks are trying to split up parts of the bible for certain reasons to serve a certain agenda .
BUT ALL OF IT is for our good . Embrace it all , Every word . BELIEVE IT ALL , every word .
Let no man take thy crown . HOLD fast to all sound doctrine . stay in prayer and be hearers and doers of the Word .

 

[David in NJ]

Inclusivity has run amuck and has drowned many in its rivers of delusion . But the lambs shall cling to their LORD
and to His gosple and all things pleasing unto Him .
This is a war david that has long been . We have now entered where true lambs went before . In an all out
battle for the souls of men . The LORD is with the lambs and HE alone is who they do follow .
Contend , contend , contend for the true faith . For the hour cometh that the door will close
and in that day , in that hour it will be too late . WHEN once the master of the HOUSE has risen up
and closed the door . Till that day and that hour , the lambs must contend till the last and final breath for the glorious
truth of the gospel of the LORD . Teaching all things He did teach . Let the LORD be praised .

My LORD Jesus Christ showed me the Way that i should follow and fight = "It is written"

Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.
My Father’s house IAM many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you,
I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.
And where I go you know, and the way you know.”

John 14:1-4 has been fulfilled by the LORD and continues as HE adds many more Mansions to His House = Acts 2:47

By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, “and was not found, because God had taken him”; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

 

[MatthewG]

No one said that the Bible is not profitable for spiritual maturity in Christ Jesus. The problem is when people try to justify stances without considering the audience. That is why I continue to be adamant about the audience of the time. Because they were killed for their faith yet people disregard that and just make it as the letters for us today.

 

[MatthewG]

They suffered yet you don’t care.

 

[David in NJ]

No one said that the Bible is not profitable for spiritual maturity in Christ Jesus. The problem is when people try to justify stances without considering the audience. That is why I continue to be adamant about the audience of the time. Because they were killed for their faith yet people disregard that and just make it as the letters for us today.

MatthewG - are you not doing the very same thing...........

Be careful = "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

 

[MatthewG]

MatthewG - are you not doing the very same thing...........

Be careful = "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

Not when I’m being honest and upfront with you, about the audience. I’m not worried about being condemn by people. The Holy Spirit can condemn me, or God by the Holy Spirit.

 

[amigo de christo]

No one said that the Bible is not profitable for spiritual maturity in Christ Jesus. The problem is when people try to justify stances without considering the audience. That is why I continue to be adamant about the audience of the time. Because they were killed for their faith yet people disregard that and just make it as the letters for us today.

Everything that happened to them was an example unto all lambs .
Thus learn it and learn it well . hard times are coming against the true lambs . The ones who wont conform to inclusivity .
Already we see it beginning . This so called ideal , this so called religion of love
that preaches inclusivity , tolerance and love , is nothing more than a guise of darkness .
The time draws nigh and the dragon knows that HE has but a short time .
This new love , which aint new at all , this unity , this gather as one ,
is nothing more than a deceptoin to gather all to be as one , BUT NOT UNDER GOD NOR CHRIST .
And soon enough lambs will see the teeth of it for what it was . IT WILL DECLARE Open war
against all who did not conform . Fundamnetalism of all religions and ideals will not be tolerated .
THE ONLY IDEA that will be is THIS FALSE LOVE , this many path to GOD no sense .
And then we will see its true intent . FOR the author of this false love and unity , who did all
to change the image of God , DID SO not because he cared for the peoples ,
but because he wanted to unify them as one to come against the CHRIST of GOD and his lambs .
THEY are being gathered unto the day of armegeddon . THE DRAGON DONT LOVE YOU MATHEW
he is just decieving , using you all to bring about the death of many true lambs .
Its love does not HONOR GOD , its love does not HONOR CHRIST , though its love sure uses the NAME .
NO , its decieving the world , its within even christendom and its using all faiths and all religoins
secular and all to unite under what it calls LOVE , what it calls tolerance .
ONLY beware , It has no love nor tolerance for those who oppose it .
The true lambs will not fear it , FOR CHRIST IS WITH THE LAMBS , we will expose it no matter the cost
and because we actually love the peoples and desire none to perish under its lie .
For GOD will destroy it and those under it ON THE DAY of the LORD . And i just dont want folks to perish .
Deconstuction has captivated the church and it leads only to their DESTRUCTION of the day of the LORD .
SO long as their is breath in my lungs i must do what is best for the peoples and may GOD , HIS CHRIST be honored
and glorified in all that a lamb does and says . No matter the cost to us . THE LAMBS WIN for CHRIST HAS WON
But beware for many are already headed down this path of perdition and they are being coaxed right into it
by a false love god who is none other than the dragon .
OH I KNOW GOD IS LOVE , BUT HIS LOVE DONT CONTRADICT HIS TRUTH . The dragons love DOES .

 

[David in NJ]

Not when I’m being honest and upfront with you, about the audience. I’m not worried about being condemn by people. The Holy Spirit can condemn me, or God by the Holy Spirit.

The Audience that was alive on earth during the days of Jesus and the Apostles have died and have been judged.

Only those who believed in the WORD that became flesh are with the LORD now/today.

Today, there is a New Audience of which you are a part, therefore the Holy Spirit says:

Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, while it is said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”