What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?
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Haven’t a clue what you are trying to say here..I think you and I have a very different spiritual understanding of what it means to be Born Again of imperishable seed....
We are most definitely on different levels of understanding that’s for sure.
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Which means what?
What is Born Again of imperishable seed?
What/ who is the seed?
And where does the seed manifest itself?
I’m asking you these questions because, I think we don’t understand what Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed means?....the same way.
What does the “ Living “ word of God mean to you?
According to, Hebrew 4:12, “the word of God is alive and active. The description of the Bible as “living” means that it has a vital power inherent to itself. Jesus likened the Word of God to seed in Mathew 13. Seed, like the Bible, is not dead, but living, and it has the ability to bring forth more life abundantly
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1 Peter 1:22-23 KJV
22) Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Are you referring to what it says here? Because this actually says, "incorruptible seed", then affirming that it lives and remains forever.
This may be more than you are looking for, but if you really want to know what I think "born again" means, I've attached a PDF file.
Much love!
As I suspected we understand very differently..no worries..I will leave it there, thanks for posting.
BlessedPeace
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I posted in response to what you wrote.
Did Jesus say,we choose him?
Did he say we come to him by choice?
Which means the verse is referring to the continuous practice of sin.
If you mean incorruptible seed, it's to receive a new spiritual life from God having been united with Him being baptized into Christ, to join Him in His death and resurrection. Born again is to become a new person who did not exist before, and who shares the nature of the Father Creator, righteous and holy.
Born again is to be no longer a man born from Adam living in flesh, but now we are a new man born from God, living in Spirit, though still using this flesh body. It's to have died to satisfy God's justice, but having done so in Christ, so that we survive this death, and emerge justified, declared righteous, rendered righteous, a pure and sinless being, the holy and righteous spirit child of God.
Born again is being freed by death from the control of our corrupted by sin flesh bodies, and freed from all the condemnation that goes along with them.
How do you describe born again?
The seed is the word of God. You can say it's Christ coming in, you can say it's the Gospel message. You could say it's the Holy Spirit. There are some different ways the Bible speaks.
I'm not sure how you mean this question. Do you have a passage of Scripture in mind?
"Seed" is to me a metaphor, the reality is that Jesus Christ comes into us, joining Himself to us, and now we live with Him.
"Unless a seed die . . .", there are, again, different ways the Bible speaks.
The living word of God? Again, you can say this is Jesus Himself, you can say this is the Bible message, "logos" can mean either, as I understand this.
What does it mean to me that the word is alive? I like your description, The description of the Bible as “living” means that it has a vital power inherent to itself.
I'd add, that it's power works in us.
How do these answers compare to what you think?
Much love!
We’re Along the same level of spiritual understanding...I understand Born Of The Spirit/ Born Again.....that my spirit is Born Again, The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Eternally Grateful
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Lets see
But as many as Have RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave power to become sons of God
He said ASK, and he would give us living water flowing to eternal life
He said we must be Brorn again, How? By looking the cross in faith
He said whoever sees and believes will not come to judgment but has passed from death to life
He said he is the living bread, If we feed on him, we will never hunger or thirst. never die, live forever, and be raised.
So the question is, Did I CHOSE to recieve him.
or did I CHOSE to deny him,
Our eternity is based on how we respond to God in either of these two ways, there is no third option.
BlessedPeace
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He said,no one comes to me unless the Father calls them.
"the Spirit . . . by which . . . we cry, Abba, Father"
We cry out, Father! But it's by the Spirit that we cry. Yet we are who cries out. Where is the line dividing between His Spirit and my spirit? I can't see it. We are one. Just to write that, knowing what I'm saying, Wow!!
Much love!
Eternally Grateful
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And?
Did Jesus lie about all he said in John 1 - 6?
One verse does not negate 6 or 7 chapters of a gospel of John
I find it odd your arguing calvinism when you attacked another member for following calvinist views..
Jesus also said...
John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Then, thru His Apostles He said this...
Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Looks like limited anointment is definitely not biblical, and those that claim it is must ignore portions of God's Word.
Bob Estey
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There are lots of judgments. How many trials take place in courtrooms every day?
BlessedPeace
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That tells me a great deal about you. Thank you.
I find it fascinating you think Jesus was a Calvinist.
You imagine the verse I cited is overcome by a doctrine you prefer instead? Jesus said it.
And nothing he said is abrogated by those who prefer a works based,free choice of man-woman to choose Christ instead of what God-Christ himself said doctrine changes that.
Context. Everything Jesus said coincides. He told his Disciples,they did not choose him. He chose them.
The Calvinism bigotry here is astounding. I've noticed it is preferred by those who know nothing about Calvinism.
Just a party line afforded as accusation against Christians so to imply we are not so.
BlessedPeace
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On my way to work ,my phone in my back pocket, I noticed I "butt dialed" a site that was not opened. I think God knows why.
Jhn 3:11 - Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
Eternally Grateful
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Why do you keep bringing up temporal stuff
I am talk about eternal judgments..
God only has two. You better chose which one you want to be in..
Eternally Grateful
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Tells me a great deal about you
I do not think jesus is a calvinist. But you seem to want to make him one
Overcome?
Take in context.. You’re right, the father will draw. B ut we are forced to make a decision.. Calvinism and fatalism is a lie.. why are you supporting it?
yes, He chose them AS DISCIPLES
We are not talking about THeM, We are talking about those who recieve christ and are born again
lol.. You are double minded. You attacked 4 point calvinism, then when someone calls You out of appearing to hold calvinistic beliefs, you call it bigotry.
Eternally Grateful
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Have no idea what this means concerning free will people who chose to Recieve Jesus and be born again based on their faith.
In fact. It does not.. Do you even know we at we are discussing?
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