What is the one true Church?

[Grailhunter]

Ekklesia Kata Holos.

The English word Catholic is a transliteration of the Greek word katholikos which is a compound word from “kata” which means according to, and “holos” which means whole which was understood the Church of the world....universal. And in the early church it was a description of itself and after 312 AD the Roman church adopted as the name of the Church.

 

[Grailhunter]

What aren’t you objecting to EVERY word in Ignatius’s Letter, then?
Follow, obediently, Jesus Christ, Apostles, Deacons, God – are ALL Englich words.

Well acturaly only some....

 

[BreadOfLife]

Overseer is an exact translation of Episkopos and in more modern times the overseer was called the Bishop.

Youve NO grasp of languages.

Is it a sofa or a couch?
Groceries or foodstuffs?
Things or objects?

I can translate ALL of those words in Spanish and they would have the SAME definition as the English word.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I think you think the world lies and truth is lies and faith is believing the Catholic lies.

No, but when I can PROVE it, as I have with YOU - that's another kettle of fish . . .

 

[Grailhunter]

Are you SO ignorant that you don’t understand that a direct translation of a word DOESN’T invalidate it? It simply presents it in another LANGUAGE.

You are funny!

 

[BreadOfLife]

The English word Catholic is a transliteration of the Greek word katholikos which is a compound word from “kata” which means according to, and “holos” which means whole which was understood the Church of the world....universal. And in the early church it was a description of itself and after 312 AD the Roman church adopted as the name of the Church.

And you can jeep vomiting out that lie - but I have already PROVEN you wrong . . .

 

[Grailhunter]

And “Catholic Church” is used as a TITLE here – not a description.
Later in the SAME century - we read the document, The Martyrdom of Polycarp:
When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world – the time for departure came. So they placed him on an ass, and brought him into the city on a great Sabbath.

As I have already examined, the words, καθ ολης (katah-holos) is GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal”.
The phrase in The Martyrdom of Polycarp - which, by the way, is ALSO written in GREEK - would be horribly redundant, if not comical. It would go something like this:
"... and the whole whole throughout Church throughout the world ..."

It is blindingly clear that this document is using the term Catholic Church as a TITLE and not a mere description or the wording would make no sense whatsoever.

It’s like arguing with an infant . . .

How many times are you going to repeat this false belief. As a term it existed before 312 AD and as a title of an actual organized Church sometime after 312 AD.

 

[Grailhunter]

No, but when I can PROVE it, as I have with YOU - that's another kettle of fish . . .

You have not proved nothing. Just stating Catholic propaganda.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are funny!

TRANSLATION:
"You nailed me again! I'd better shut up now . . ."

 

[Grailhunter]

Youve NO grasp of languages.

Is it a sofa or a couch?
Groceries or foodstuffs?
Things or objects?

I can translate ALL of those words in Spanish and they would have the SAME definition as the English word.

You can translate Greek into other languages.....what is the point?
But when you take words and terms from the Catholic Church and try to insert them into early Christianity, that is a deception.

 

[Grailhunter]

And you can jeep vomiting out that lie - but I have already PROVEN you wrong . . .

You have not proven anything.

 

[BreadOfLife]

How many times are you going to repeat this false belief. As a term it existed before 312 AD and as a title of an actual organized Church sometime after 312 AD.

Can you list 5 reputable Protestant scholars who agree with that claim?

How about THREE.

 

[Grailhunter]

Can you list 5 reputable Protestant scholars who agree with that claim?

How about THREE.

It would not matter you would not accept it.....But I have never met a professor in theology who believed the actual Catholic Church existed before 312 AD.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You can translate Greek into other languages.....what is the point?
But when you take words and terms from the Catholic Church and try to insert them into early Christianity, that is a deception.

You REALLY don't understand languages - DO you?

The word, "Episkopos" didn't jump from Greek to English in ONE shot.
It developed etymologically like ALL words do.
The Greek Episkopos translates into Latin Episcopus (Spanich, Obispos) which translates into English as Bishop.

There ends the Linguistics Lesson for the day . . .

 

[Grailhunter]

You REALLY don't understand languages - DO you?

The word, "Episkopos" didn't jump from Greek to English in ONE shot.
It developed etymologically like ALL words do.
The Greek Episkopos translates into Latin Episcopus (Spanich, Obispos) which translates into English as Bishop.

There ends the Linguistics Lesson for the day . . .

Yes you are right the evolution or words through the various languages and time periods is more involved.....but retro-fitting them backwards through time periods is an attempt to deceive.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It would not matter you would not accept it.....But I have never met a professor in theology who believed the actual Catholic Church existed before 312 AD.

TRY me.
I will wait here for your answer . . .

And I know SEVERAL Protestant scholars who believe this about the Catholic Church.
J.N.D. Kelley, for one. Ken Samples from CRI is another. Your Protestant Fathers are yet another good example.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes you are right the evolution or words through the various languages and time periods is more involved.....but retro-fitting them backwards through time periods is an attempt to deceive.

No - it's just painfully-clear that you simply DON'T understand how languages work.

 

[Illuminator]

Or cultianity!

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The attacks on Catholic churches have been widespread across the country, affecting 42 states plus DC. The states with the most attacks are California (47), New York (30), Pennsylvania (18), Colorado (15), Texas (15), New Jersey (14), Massachusetts (14), Florida (13), Washington (11), and Oregon (10). Hotspots with large clusters of attacks include New York City (26) and the metro areas of Los Angeles (15); Denver (13); San Francisco/Bay Area (11); Washington, D.C. (10); Boston (10); Portland, Oregon (9); Seattle (7); Chicago (6); and Houston (5). Some of the churches have been attacked multiple times.

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[BreadOfLife]

You can translate Greek into other languages.....what is the point?
But when you take words and terms from the Catholic Church and try to insert them into early Christianity, that is a deception.

Those words and terms (like "Bishop") already existed in Greek. They weren't "invented" later.
They were simply TRANSLATED into another language.

Do you even understand what "translate" means?

 

[Grailhunter]

No - it's just painfully-clear that you simply DON'T understand how languages work.

I certainly do......and the attempt to deceive is very clear.