What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

[APAK]

Now to finish the last verse of the 1st meaning for the previous age....
next verse 30.....

..... And then the sign of the Son of Man shall appear in heaven. Then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory...

..Now the use of the Son of Man is deliberate. This was the common title Christ used when conversing with all people, especially the Pharisees. This was a personal message to the religious order, that this man will return again with judgment and the wrath of physical war and utter death and physical destruction! That their age would come to a final end!

The sign was not the physical Son of Man, seen in the skies at all. It is the dark clouds of war brewing in the distance and getting literally closer. The glory of the Son of Man is seem through and as the heathen Roman armies, so many of then, with so many weapons, not just for days or weeks or months, for YEARS!
the sign of overwhelming forces that surrounded, especially Jerusalem.

And the 'nations shall mourn,' at the site of this fear, of the literal nation and the left tribes of Israel and other nations or tribes in the land of Judea. They also realized their personal time with God was over, they remembered Christ and his disciples and others, and knew Christ was now in power and King of the heavenly Kingdom.

next, verse 31.....And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other....

This is the two-fold literal depiction of 1., the disciples and other leaders of the newly formed 'Church', considered human messengers (angels). The trumpet call sounded as the urgent warning to spread the gospel, also to flee Jerusalem at a specific time during the let up of the Roman siege, and go into the literal high country for physical safety. And the believers heeded this warning and command and were gathered together in safety and refuge. And 2.. continued the spread the gospel (the trumpet, as Moses made one to call and gather the assembly together) to all the other nations with deliberate force to gather the Body of Christ to him, as it was already underway since Pentecost.

..so this is the 1st meaning of Matt 24:29-31 that the generation of Christ would have understood it.


--now to the 2nd meaning, for this new age....

 

[quietthinker]

Now to finish the last verse of the 1st meaning for the previous age....
next verse 30.....

..... And then the sign of the Son of Man shall appear in heaven. Then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory...

..Now the use of the Son of Man is deliberate. This was the common title Christ used when conversing with all people, especially the Pharisees. This was a personal message to the religious order, that this man will return again with judgment and the wrath of physical war and utter death and physical destruction! That their age would come to a final end!

The sign was not the physical Son of Man, seen in the skies at all. It is the dark clouds of war brewing in the distance and getting literally closer. The glory of the Son of Man is seem through and as the heathen Roman armies, so many of then, with so many weapons, not just for days or weeks or months, for YEARS!
the sign of overwhelming forces that surrounded, especially Jerusalem.

And the 'nations shall mourn,' at the site of this fear, of the literal nation and the left tribes of Israel and other nations or tribes in the land of Judea. They also realized their personal time with God was over, they remembered Christ and his disciples and others, and knew Christ was now in power and King of the heavenly Kingdom.

next, verse 31.....And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other....

This is the two-fold literal depiction of 1., the disciples and other leaders of the newly formed 'Church', considered human messengers (angels). The trumpet call sounded as the urgent warning to spread the gospel, also to flee Jerusalem at a specific time during the let up of the Roman siege, and go into the literal high country for physical safety. And the believers heeded this warning and command and were gathered together in safety and refuge. And 2.. continued the spread the gospel (the trumpet, as Moses made one to call and gather the assembly together) to all the other nations with deliberate force to gather the Body of Christ to him, as it was already underway since Pentecost.

..so this is the 1st meaning of Matt 24:29-31 that the generation of Christ would have understood it.


--now to the 2nd meaning, for this new age....

far far far too complicated and convoluted APAK.....I think I need a beer!

 

[APAK]

far far far too complicated and convoluted APAK.....I think I need a beer!

In ignorance there is sometimes alcohol (beer) bliss..go for it..

 

[quietthinker]

In ignorance there is sometimes alcohol (beer) bliss..go for it..

did someone say something about alcohol? God forbid, I haven't touched that stuff for twenty seven years

 

[Randy Kluth]

or one could say the presenting of the Son to the Father was his inauguration after his stint on Earth.

My problem with that is as I said--the NT depiction of the Son of Man descending from heaven has him *coming to earth to establish his Kingdom.* It was not a visit to a heavenly court.

Therefore, I see the visit to a heavenly court as parenthetical and explanatory, indicating that it provided the basis for Christ's descent to earth. Logically, Christ would not descend to earth and find himself at a heavenly court! The very context indicates that the heavenly court is a backdrop to Jesus' Coming in glory.

After the inhabitants of God's Multiverse witnessed for themselves the heretofore unrevealed heart of God.....and thus nullifying all of Lucifer's misrepresentations......and what were those misrepresentations? Was it not that God is basically selfish? That everything he wanted he made?.....and nobody, not even God could prove otherwise.

I see none of this in the context of the coming of the Son of Man. But you're welcome to interpret it as you see fit.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I have also thought it is a pointer as a sign is, in the sense that Jesus arrival will be seen as coming from a distance and getting progressively closer and brighter till the whole sky is filled with billions of angelic beings escorting their Prince and ours

Can we discuss this? First. I do hope you are right because I would love to witness this. I would not be disappointed if this is the correct interpretation, but I do have questions. One is the “not by observation”. Well, it could be this miraculous event in the sky is not seen by the naked eye? Yet doesn’t it say all will see Him?

Second, in the illustration you’ve given it’s a literal thing happening that appears in the sky off in the distance —as the billions of angelic lights fill the sky ushering in Christ—like the sun rising in the morning “coming from the distance “it gets closer and brighter”. Yet that illustration has this “getting brighter until that perfect day” as an occurrence likened to the sun rising in one morning —yet the sun also withers things which the word speaks as if some already “wither” by the “heat” …To me Proverbs 4:18 tells of different illustration:
But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shines more and more unto the perfect day.
With also as lightening comes …
Luke 17:24 For as the lightning, that lightens out of the one part under heaven, shines unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
this path…this “getting closer” “brighter” is from one part under heaven to shining unto the other part under heaven ….Paul “yet it’s not I, but Christ lives in me” shined unto brothers who called their own brothers “weak reprobates”, that light shining “we will be weak that you be made strong. Be you perfected, made complete.” As “light” that shines more and more unto the perfect day.
What is this path shining brighter “the knowledge of Jesus Christ” which makes you neither barren nor unfruitful, reconciliation unto God to bring forth fruit. What if what grows brighter and brighter is the knowledge of God where “as lightning” that lights the (the darkest) sky… “lights” one part under heaven to the other part under heaven. Why then do we wait for a literal event that happens in the literal sky….growing brighter all at once in a colossal angelic ushering in of “the King”…while in the same breath we sings songs about being the light of Christ that does Shine and grows brighter and brighter until we all come into the unity, the full stature of Christ.

what I hear is this light spreading and growing brighter has already begun “getting closer” But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shines more and more unto the perfect day.
What is this “perfect day” I have to ask. What stands out to me as the path of those that be of Christ —the just justified not by flesh but by the Spirit—shines more and more (growing brighter) unto “the perfect day” =Ephesians 4:12-13 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, [13] until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,

I don’t know about you but when I read “the fullness of Christ” it reminds me of ushering in the King…

You said “progressively closer and brighter till the whole sky is filled with billions of angelic beings escorting their Prince and ours”

Can I change it a little? “Progressively closer and brighter till the whole BODY is filled; billions of men made perfect in Christ escorting in their King”

 

[akelch]

"Sign" - G4592

 

[APAK]

Now for the last part as promised...

--now to the 2nd meaning, for this new age.....

Now remember the purpose of ending the old previous age was to end the ideas of a national Israel with its corrupted religious order. To introduce the Body of Christ and the new King of the Kingdom of God. And to use a powerful heathen nation of nations to do God's bidding.

For this new age we are currently living in, the purpose is to end it, to end the global order of nations, of it future state, not yet arrived. To destroy the physical earth and heavens completely, and use all the heathen nations/of global governance to do this bidding for God. To replace the earth and those still left on it, with the matured Kingdom of God consisting of all believers from every generation -literally!

(Mat 24:29) But immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.
(Mat 24:30) And then the sign of the Son of Man shall appear in heaven. Then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
(Mat 24:31) And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Whereas the first meaning for the previous age concerned essentially on nation, under judgement, this 2nd meaning is about all the nations under judgment, all the atheists, agnostics, unbelievers of all kinds. And the decoding of the symbology in these 3 verse are essentially the same, using the same type logic.

verse 29....But immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken....

.......at the end of it all, this global judgment and tribulation, it is the end of all world systems and all its institutions, of the UN and all other global organizations are gone for good....the national governments are all gone for good.....and all the nations as political, social, economic and military entities are all gone. The world religions and so-called religious churches are all gone....all swept away along with the physical annihilation of the earth and skies. Christ has made his presence known and made his glorious power grab over the nations and the earth, to end future death, as he presents for the first time, the Bride and guests of God's Kingdom...this current age will then know it's gone, for good.

verse 30........And then the sign of the Son of Man shall appear in heaven. Then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

...............The sign of the Son of Man is again the dark clouds of war. of death and destruction and all its trimmings encircling the earth and its people. You will know then that the Son of Man is at the helm, in power. All nations will literally mourn, not for believers and Christ, and God's Kingdom as they will witness this miraculous rapture event, they mourn because their heathen secular world is collapsing, as it is to become desolate, to be utterly destroyed, including themselves. They resist God even to this point and all of them will surely 'die.' TWICE!

Judgement is by a variety of means and methods: intense and sudden wars, of/through diseases, foreign chemicals. sudden famines on a scale unfathomable and unimagined.

The drums and clouds of war will surely cover the entire globe 'soon.' Collective nations or groups at each others throats...chaos ensues...everywhere, and in places unimaginable.

And Christ will use the heathen globalist evildoers sometime tomorrow, to pass over the Rubicon and cause the end of this age. This most probably is during a literal last generation of about 40 years to close down the age. As this was also the same time period that led to the literal destruction of Judea and its capital.

verse 31........And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Again, before and during the 'total destruction,' we shall witness the in-gathering of all believers and saints, this time into the literal realm of God, into his literal and invisible Kingdom, forever. And this time there are real angelic beings leading and spreading their presence in all the nations, doing the gathering and directing traffic. A part of Heaven has come down to replace the destroyed earth and skies, literally.

All believers will be literally resurrected to new immortal life, from all generations. There is no one that can stop this act of glorification as all still on the earth are going to die, twice.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Surely this passage has already been quoted regarding the sign of the son of man. Love Luke 21:25-28

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and

upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity;

the sea and the waves roaring;

Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

(When all else fails, sinking like Peter crying out “Do you not care we perish?!?!” “And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draws near.

I used to think he was coming to destroy those men’s whose hearts failed them for looking after those things coming upon the earth.
He told us over and over Luke 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. (He drew me out of deep waters. Jonah 2:1-10 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, [2] And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and You heard my voice.


What I see in the above is when the disciples —often Peter was caught in a storm where the waves roared and men’s heart failed them out of fear looking after those things coming upon the earth….Peter for one saw Jesus Christ walking on the water towards him. We are giving an illustration of Peter stepping out on the waters and sinking but looking towards Christ it fits “look up for your redemption draws near” …and the time they asked him “do you NOT CARE that we perish!?!?” Paul also speaks of being caught in a storm and fearing even for his life—saying when all hope was gone—Christ was with Paul in the vessel …when the Acts 27:18-20 Since we were violently storm-tossed, they began the next day to jettison the cargo. [19] And on the third day (random?) they threw the ship's tackle overboard with their own hands. [20] When neither sun nor stars appeared for many days, and no small tempest lay on us, all hope of our being saved was at last abandoned.

Acts 27:23 For this very night there stood before me an angel of the God to whom I belong and whom I worship,

2 Timothy 4:17-18 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion. [18] And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
^ was Paul waiting to see Christ coming in the sky, getting closer…I have to ask?

 

[3 Resurrections]

The "sign" was predicted to appear in the heavens, which the believers were to watch for. This "sign" which indicated a timing for Christ's bodily return at the second coming was based on the appearance of the new moon. This new moon's appearance was diligently watched for by the priesthood, since their Passover was scheduled to occur according to that new moon's appearance in the heavens. The day of Pentecost 50 days later was also determined based on when that Passover week began.

Back in the days of the post-exilic return, the people were to worship facing the eastern gate of the inner court of the temple in the Sabbaths and the new moons (Ezekiel 46:1-3). That eastern gate was left closed the six working days, and was only opened for the prince to enter and leave by that gate in the Sabbaths and the new moons, and was shut again at evening time.

This Ezekiel 46:1-3 command for the people of Israel was a symbolic act which portrayed both the timing and the location of Christ's second coming return to the Mount of Olives, directly opposite this eastern gate. Christ as "Messiah the Prince" would set foot on the Mount of Olives and also leave just before evening set (as Zechariah 14:6-7 predicted), gathering His resurrected saints and returning to heaven with them. Christ had promised this return to the 12 disciples, that He would "come again and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be also."

This exact day of the timing for Christ's second coming return and the bodily resurrection that accompanied it was predicted by Daniel 12:11-13. It would occur at the end of the 1,335 days Daniel spoke about. The countdown for those 1,335 days was to begin with two specific events taking place during the same season of time. Those two events were #1, the abomination of desolation being set up (Jerusalem surrounded by armies, according to Luke 21:20), and #2, a daily sacrifice being taken away.

Both of those Daniel 12: events took place together during the same season in AD 66, with Cestius Gallus and the Zealot armies squared off against each other at Jerusalem, in the same season of time when the daily sacrifice for Rome and the Roman empire had just been taken away by Eleazar, the governor of the temple. The removal of this particular daily sacrifice was an act which violated Israel's agreement with Rome that allowed them to operate as a state-approved religion of the Roman empire. It was this offense against Rome which launched the Roman / Jewish war in AD 66. Nero responded by sending Cestius Gallus and the Roman army to Jerusalem in AD 66.

Counting forward 1,335 days from the time Cestius Gallus's Roman armies had broken into Jerusalem and were about to dig through the temple wall's foundations, the end of those 1,335 days fell on Pentecost day in AD 70. True to scripture's scheduled terms for the time and location of this second coming return, Christ bodily returned to the Mount of Olives. A bodily resurrection took place, and Christ returned to heaven with His resurrected saints, just as evening came.

Anyone in the first century who was familiar with how the Passover and Pentecost days were scheduled on the calendar, in seeing those two events which had taken place in AD 66, could count forward from the beginning of those 1,335 days and realize that the sign of the new moon appearing in the heavens was going to determine the timing of Christ's second coming return on the day of Pentecost in AD 70.

 

[Wick Stick]

Counting forward 1,335 days from the time Cestius Gallus's Roman armies had broken into Jerusalem and were about to dig through the temple wall's foundations, the end of those 1,335 days fell on Pentecost day in AD 70.

That is very specific. So specific that I wonder - how you could possibly know it to be true?

 

[MA2444]

Scripture says it's the sign of the Son of man which is code talk for Jesus. Now ask yourself, what sign is associated with the Lord Jesus? Remember using your eyes when you drive around town. You prolly see it every day. What is the sign that is associated with Jesus and is always on the sign?

I'll give you a hint....The Cross.

I bet a giant cross appears in the heavens before Jesus gets here. 100% supernatural and not some astronomical mumbo jumbo.

...and all the world went, Uh-Oh...

It's vague so we wont know until it happens for sure, but when it happens everyone will know very shortly if not immediately.

 

[3 Resurrections]

That is very specific. So specific that I wonder - how you could possibly know it to be true?

Daniel was very specific. So was Zechariah chapters 12-14 concerning the siege both against Judah and Jerusalem and Christ's bodily return to the Mount of Olives. The NT writers were also very specific about a resurrection that was about to happen in that first-century generation in that generation's "last days". I believe a first-century bodily return of Christ because He Himself declared that there were some of those standing in front of Him listening to Him speak that would not have died before His return. Also that the disciples would personally not have gone through all the cities of Israel before the Son of Man had come.

 

[akelch]

Daniel was very specific. So was Zechariah chapters 12-14 concerning the siege both against Judah and Jerusalem and Christ's bodily return to the Mount of Olives. The NT writers were also very specific about a resurrection that was about to happen in that first-century generation in that generation's "last days". I believe a first-century bodily return of Christ because He Himself declared that there were some of those standing in front of Him listening to Him speak that would not have died before His return.

Does Christ return in the first century NEED to be in physical form? Jesus says that the coming of the Kingdom would not be seen with human eyes so it would make sense to me that Christ's return maybe a spiritual return also. This might be the reason he told us to watch for the "sign" of his return because we would not see it with our eye but know it him because of the "sign".

Matthew 24:27
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Does Christ return in the first century NEED to be in physical form?

ABSOLUTELY YES. Christ never abandoned His glorified, resurrected body form which ascended into the heavens in Acts 1. He was predicted to come "in like manner as ye have seen Him go into heaven". Any return of Christ to this planet of necessity requires that He do this in His glorified, resurrected human form.

But the kingdom of heaven itself is not a physical substance, if that is what you are thinking of. We can see the visual effects of Christ's dominion on earth, but that is not exactly the same thing.

 

[grafted branch]

Now for the last part as promised...

--now to the 2nd meaning, for this new age.....

Now remember the purpose of ending the old previous age was to end the ideas of a national Israel with its corrupted religious order. To introduce the Body of Christ and the new King of the Kingdom of God. And to use a powerful heathen nation of nations to do God's bidding.

For this new age we are currently living in, the purpose is to end it, to end the global order of nations, of it future state, not yet arrived. To destroy the physical earth and heavens completely, and use all the heathen nations/of global governance to do this bidding for God. To replace the earth and those still left on it, with the matured Kingdom of God consisting of all believers from every generation -literally!

(Mat 24:29) But immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.
(Mat 24:30) And then the sign of the Son of Man shall appear in heaven. Then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
(Mat 24:31) And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Whereas the first meaning for the previous age concerned essentially on nation, under judgement, this 2nd meaning is about all the nations under judgment, all the atheists, agnostics, unbelievers of all kinds. And the decoding of the symbology in these 3 verse are essentially the same, using the same type logic.

verse 29....But immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken....

.......at the end of it all, this global judgment and tribulation, it is the end of all world systems and all its institutions, of the UN and all other global organizations are gone for good....the national governments are all gone for good.....and all the nations as political, social, economic and military entities are all gone. The world religions and so-called religious churches are all gone....all swept away along with the physical annihilation of the earth and skies. Christ has made his presence known and made his glorious power grab over the nations and the earth, to end future death, as he presents for the first time, the Bride and guests of God's Kingdom...this current age will then know it's gone, for good.

verse 30........And then the sign of the Son of Man shall appear in heaven. Then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

...............The sign of the Son of Man is again the dark clouds of war. of death and destruction and all its trimmings encircling the earth and its people. You will know then that the Son of Man is at the helm, in power. All nations will literally mourn, not for believers and Christ, and God's Kingdom as they will witness this miraculous rapture event, they mourn because their heathen secular world is collapsing, as it is to become desolate, to be utterly destroyed, including themselves. They resist God even to this point and all of them will surely 'die.' TWICE!

Judgement is by a variety of means and methods: intense and sudden wars, of/through diseases, foreign chemicals. sudden famines on a scale unfathomable and unimagined.

The drums and clouds of war will surely cover the entire globe 'soon.' Collective nations or groups at each others throats...chaos ensues...everywhere, and in places unimaginable.

And Christ will use the heathen globalist evildoers sometime tomorrow, to pass over the Rubicon and cause the end of this age. This most probably is during a literal last generation of about 40 years to close down the age. As this was also the same time period that led to the literal destruction of Judea and its capital.

verse 31........And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Again, before and during the 'total destruction,' we shall witness the in-gathering of all believers and saints, this time into the literal realm of God, into his literal and invisible Kingdom, forever. And this time there are real angelic beings leading and spreading their presence in all the nations, doing the gathering and directing traffic. A part of Heaven has come down to replace the destroyed earth and skies, literally.

All believers will be literally resurrected to new immortal life, from all generations. There is no one that can stop this act of glorification as all still on the earth are going to die, twice.

Thanks for taking the time to post all of this. You’ve given me a lot to think about.

 

[ScottA]

Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the SIGN of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The sign is the half an hour of silence in heaven; a glimpse of the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world, a witness to all in the midst of times. Then every eye shall see at the end of each one in his own order, Him in His glory.

 

[Wick Stick]

Daniel was very specific. So was Zechariah chapters 12-14 concerning the siege both against Judah and Jerusalem and Christ's bodily return to the Mount of Olives. The NT writers were also very specific about a resurrection that was about to happen in that first-century generation in that generation's "last days". I believe a first-century bodily return of Christ because He Himself declared that there were some of those standing in front of Him listening to Him speak that would not have died before His return. Also that the disciples would personally not have gone through all the cities of Israel before the Son of Man had come.

Let me re-phrase...

How would you know that the Day of Pentecost was exactly 1,355 days after the Roman sacking of Jerusalem? Most historical documents from that era do not record the exact day of anything.

The answer I'm looking for is probably of the form "Josephus says in Wars [chapter#] that..."

 

[APAK]

Surely this passage has already been quoted regarding the sign of the son of man. Love Luke 21:25-28

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and

upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity;

the sea and the waves roaring;

Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

(When all else fails, sinking like Peter crying out “Do you not care we perish?!?!” “And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draws near.

I used to think he was coming to destroy those men’s whose hearts failed them for looking after those things coming upon the earth.
He told us over and over Luke 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. (He drew me out of deep waters. Jonah 2:1-10 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, [2] And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and You heard my voice.


What I see in the above is when the disciples —often Peter was caught in a storm where the waves roared and men’s heart failed them out of fear looking after those things coming upon the earth….Peter for one saw Jesus Christ walking on the water towards him. We are giving an illustration of Peter stepping out on the waters and sinking but looking towards Christ it fits “look up for your redemption draws near” …and the time they asked him “do you NOT CARE that we perish!?!?” Paul also speaks of being caught in a storm and fearing even for his life—saying when all hope was gone—Christ was with Paul in the vessel …when the Acts 27:18-20 Since we were violently storm-tossed, they began the next day to jettison the cargo. [19] And on the third day (random?) they threw the ship's tackle overboard with their own hands. [20] When neither sun nor stars appeared for many days, and no small tempest lay on us, all hope of our being saved was at last abandoned.

Acts 27:23 For this very night there stood before me an angel of the God to whom I belong and whom I worship,

2 Timothy 4:17-18 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion. [18] And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
^ was Paul waiting to see Christ coming in the sky, getting closer…I have to ask?

And surely in Luke 21 were the same/similar recorded words as in Matt 24 of Jesus for the same intent and purpose to warn people of his generation, and of our future generation. There is no doubt that most people on earth with perish, as in Jerusalem around 60-70AD, and in our future generation because of their rebellious heart and hatred of God.

I think that Peter's experiences and of others, of your thoughts, has nothing to do with the destruction of Jerusalem and the larger judgment that awaited not only was the case for the nation(s) in Judea, all nations, when both times the Son of Man comes, in clouds of unrest, war and destruction and of different proportions.

Those saved only are to look up and lift their heads for their impending redemption; for in the same generation as Peter as many were saved in spirit/soul and physical body, and the same of our future generation, into immortal bodies.

 

[Taken]

What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

WHEN every eye can SEE a white cloud in the SKY with the likeness of the Son of Man wearing a gold crown and sitting ON that cloud, holding a sharp cycle in His hand.
(Rev 14:14)

Glory to God,
Taken