What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

[Prayer Warrior]

Some of us are older than that...

Yes, some of us definitely are.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Everything in that statement LDS Christians would agree with. If you want me to talk about any specific points, I will happily do.

That's good, but the point is that not all LDS doctrine is supported by the Bible.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

That's good, but the point is that not all LDS doctrine is supported by the Bible.

LDS Christians aren't sola scriptura.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

LDS Christians aren't sola scriptura.

Yes, I know.

 

[Mjh29]

Everything in that statement LDS Christians would agree with. If you want me to talk about any specific points, I will happily do.

Was God the Father ever a man?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Was God the Father ever a man?

That is 100% speculation territory.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Yes, I know.

Hence your point "this isn't in the Bible" doesn't hold much weight.

I don't believe Sola Sciptura. I find it illogical and not in the Biblical (ironically).

 

[Mjh29]

That is 100% speculation territory.

I'm asking what you believe personally.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Was God the Father ever a man?

MORMONISM TEACHES: God the Father Has a Body of Flesh and Bones • “The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s” (D&C 130:22). • “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! . . . I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see . . . he was once a man like us . . . and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345 – 46).​

Source: Wilder, Lynn K.. Unveiling Grace (p. 341-343). Zondervan. Kindle Edition. (Emphasis in bold added.)

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I'm asking what you believe personally.

My personal view: It's speculation. I don' t have more than that, and that's the end of it.
To explain other people's speculation requires a lot of explanation, examining Creeds, etc.

 

[farouk]

Yes, I know.

As we all know...

 

[Mjh29]

My personal view: It's speculation. I don' t have more than that, and that's the end of it.
To explain other people's speculation requires a lot of explanation, examining Creeds, etc.

Do you think that it is possible that God the Father was once a man? Do you believe that it is even in the realm of possibility?

 

[farouk]

Hence your point "this isn't in the Bible" doesn't hold much weight.

I don't believe Sola Sciptura. I find it illogical and not in the Biblical (ironically).

Galatians 4.30: "what saith the scripture?"

 

[Jane_Doe22]

MORMONISM TEACHES: God the Father Has a Body of Flesh and Bones • “The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s” (D&C 130:22). • )​

Like the God the Son.​

“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! . . . I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see . . . he was once a man like us . . . and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345 – 46).​

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^Not actually LDS doctrine. Rather this quote is a speculative quote and in no mean official status. You can think it's bunk and be LDS Christian 100% is good standing. To explain this quote requires a lot of background, as I previously stated.

 

[Mjh29]

Hence your point "this isn't in the Bible" doesn't hold much weight.

I don't believe Sola Sciptura. I find it illogical and not in the Biblical (ironically).

2 Timothy 3:16-17

 

[Prayer Warrior]

My personal view: It's speculation. I don' t have more than that, and that's the end of it.
To explain other people's speculation requires a lot of explanation, examining Creeds, etc.

Look, it's not my intent to make you feel ganged up on. I know how that feels, and it stinks. But if someone asks me what I believe about something doctrinal, I can tell them and give Bible verses to support my belief. If I'm not sure about it, I search the Bible for answers.

In the above quote, Lynn is quoting the D&C, which is considered LDS scripture, right?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Do you think that it is possible that God the Father was once a man? Do you believe that it is even in the realm of possibility?

I literally just answered this:
My personal view: It's speculation. I don' t have more than that, and that's the end of it.
To explain other people's speculation requires a lot of explanation, examining Creeds, etc.

 

[Mjh29]

I literally just answered this:
My personal view: It's speculation. I don' t have more than that, and that's the end of it.
To explain other people's speculation requires a lot of explanation, examining Creeds, etc.

So you don't know if you think it is possible? I'm not asking if you believe it; I am asking if you believe it is possible? Does it even have a slight chance of being true?

 

[farouk]

Look, it's not my intent to make you feel ganged up on. I know how that feels, and it stinks. But if someone asks me what I believe about something doctrinal, I can tell them and give Bible verses to support my belief. If I'm not sure about it, I search the Bible for answers.

It's good to have calm and helpful discussions from the Scriptures, our authority.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Look, it's not my intent to make you feel ganged up on. I know how that feels, and it stinks. But if someone asks me what I believe about something doctrinal, I can tell them and give Bible verses to support my belief. If I'm not sure about it, I search the Bible for answers.

In the above quote, Lynn is quoting the D&C, which is considered LDS scripture, right?

Yes. Scripture statement: The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s” (D&C 130:22).

The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, quote is not.