Whatever happened to the simple Gospel message on salvation and heaven and hell?

[GISMYS_7]

Whatever happened to the simple Gospel message on salvation and heaven and hell? King Jesus is ready to return and we need to be ready to meet Him!! Today you can sit in many of today's "churches" and never hear the words hell, Jesus will return soon, heaven, confess and repent, judgment day is almost here. What you do hear taught is ==I am OK and you are OK lets just all get along and be happy and forget about the Truth of God's Word about sin and it's cost=death and hell.

 

[amadeus]

For most people it is easier to effectively say "Give us a king" and go on their own merry way to wherever it is that they are going.

 

[Enoch111]

Whatever happened to the simple Gospel message on salvation and heaven and hell?

Popularity and prosperity became more important than Gospel truth because the Great Apostasy had taken over the majority of churches worldwide.

The sad truth is that on Christian forums today there are more heresies being promoted than sound doctrine, and the true and full Gospel of Christ. The same is true for many *Christian* websites, broadcasts, podcasts, and TV programs. All of this was already predicted by the apostle Paul, and we are seeing it all around us.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.... This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away... Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron...(2 Tim 4:3,4; 3:1-5; 1 Tim 4:1,2)

 

[bbyrd009]

Whatever happened to the simple Gospel message on salvation and heaven and hell?

oh imo it's completely intact, from Mithrism to the Cult of Sol then right into our Christian hearts and minds i guess.
For example you cannot Quote a single reference for this "hell" you believe in imo; but i can
"if you dig a pit for someone else, you end up in it yourself."

k, your turn now. you wanna see what happened to your msg, we're gonna find out here at the end ok

the Truth of God's Word about sin and it's cost=death and hell.

then you should have no probs Quoting it i guess, fine. see ya then

 

[bbyrd009]

surely you know that's a Cardinal, right. So wadr i cant even talk to you anymore, but i would maybe contemplate what i said up there, and you might see what Lex says about any vv you maybe were gonna use, ok. Best of luck to you

 

[Helen]

Because they finally woke up and realised the Heaven and Hell were NOT the Gospel message!

" CHRIST and Him crucified "is the Good News of The Kingdom.

 

[Enoch111]

Because they finally woke up and realised the Heaven and Hell were NOT the Gospel message!

" CHRIST and Him crucified "is the Good News of The Kingdom.

While Heaven and Hell are not the Gospel message, they certainly cannot be divorced from the Gospel message. Even John 3:16 indirectly refers to both Heaven and Hell, and if this verse were expounded in all its fulness, both Heaven and Heaven would need to be mentioned. If there is neither Heaven nor Hell, why would anyone give heed to the Gospel?

 

[Enoch111]

oh imo it's completely intact, from Mithrism to the Cult of Sol then right into our Christian hearts and minds i guess.

What does this have to do with the Gospel? And why don't you tell us exactly what is the true Gospel?

 

[Naomi25]

Whatever happened to the simple Gospel message on salvation and heaven and hell? King Jesus is ready to return and we need to be ready to meet Him!! Today you can sit in many of today's "churches" and never hear the words hell, Jesus will return soon, heaven, confess and repent, judgment day is almost here. What you do hear taught is ==I am OK and you are OK lets just all get along and be happy and forget about the Truth of God's Word about sin and it's cost=death and hell.

Word!

 

[Helen]

If there is neither Heaven nor Hell, why would anyone give heed to the Gospel?

I can hardly believe that you are saying that!
Why?
Maybe you were scared into God by someone preaching hell to you.
I remember the day...August 23 1964 when I suddenly saw the overwhelming amazing Love of the Father in sending His Beloved Son to die for me.

No Heaven, no Hell...but Love.
Love broke me, love changed me.

 

[bbyrd009]

What does this have to do with the Gospel? And why don't you tell us exactly what is the true Gospel?

these have replaced the Gospel i guess, and in order to tell you that i would have to ask you a Q first, and you know how annoying those are lol.

But i give you my word that i can tell you, if you will answer whether Mark Whittington--the owner of this account--just gave you his word or not.

 

[Enoch111]

I can hardly believe that you are saying that!

I am only going by what Scripture reveals. If there is no Heaven or Hell, there would be no need for the Gospel. Please note:

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:15,16 KJB)

Now if an evangelist or preacher were including this verse in his Gospel message, (1) he would need to explain what "the Gospel" means, (2) he would need to explain what it means to be saved (and the connection to Heaven) and (3) he would also need to explain what it means to be damned (and the connection to Hell).

If a Gospel message fails to bring these truths out, it is an INCOMPLETE message. And that is generally what is happening today. "God is Love" is definitely a part of the Gospel message, but so is "God is Judge".

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. (Acts 17:30,31).

 

[Enoch111]

these have replaced the Gospel i guess, and in order to tell you that i would have to ask you a Q first, and you know how annoying those are lol.

Go ahead and ask. What you are suggesting is that the Gospel message has been replaced ACROSS THE BOARD. While the Gospel is definitely being distorted, there are some who are still presenting the true Gospel.

 

[Helen]

I am only going by what Scripture reveals. If there is no Heaven or Hell, there would be no need for the Gospel.

Once again...you bring them to the centre...they are not the centre..never have been.
If you have that thought line, then you must carry it further...
What you are in fact implying is "they are of great importance"
So..taking it further beings us to..
"Because of heaven or hell God created Adam and put him in the garden."

I read nowhere where God then said to Adam-" And the most important thing now is heaven and hell".

God made man for Himself.. His whole Plan from the Garden onward was a people for Himself, and a future Bride for Himself.

The Good News/Gospel is brought to earth was " Emanuel God with us.."
No mention of heaven and hell. For they are not any part of the Gospel.

 

[Enoch111]

Once again...you bring them to the centre...they are not the centre..never have been.

Christ and His finished work are the centre of the Gospel, so what you have stated is incorrect. What I am saying is that a Gospel preacher cannot avoid bringing Heaven and Hell into any Gospel message. And if he deliberately does so, he is not bringing the full and true Gospel message.

The recent trend in evangelical churches has been to avoid mentioning Hell, repentance, judgment, and the wrath of God against sin. A watered down Gospel has become commonplace.

 

[Philip James]

Whatever happened to the simple Gospel message on salvation and heaven and hell?

It upsets 'progressive' sensibilities... Wouldnt want to lose the money those members bring.....

 

[bbyrd009]

Go ahead and ask.

did Mark give you his word or not?

 

[bbyrd009]

It upsets 'progressive' sensibilities... Wouldnt want to lose the money those members bring.....

Matthew Fox has noted that an online Bible search for 'play' yields 92 hits; 'redemption', 47

 

[amadeus]

If there is neither Heaven nor Hell, why would anyone give heed to the Gospel?

Why indeed? Perhaps there are some who simply love God for who He is rather than for what He can give us or do for us?

"Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed." John 6:26-27

The "meat" lasts forever, but it is not heaven. What is this "meat"?

"In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat.
But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.
Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat?
Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work." John 4:31-34

Should our meat be different if we are really to be like him?

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2

 

[Enoch111]

did Mark give you his word or not?

Now that is a really enigmatic question. Mark? Do you mean Mark the evangelist, who wrote the Gospel of Mark? If so God gave us His Word through Mark, and Mark was simply the writer (scribe), whereas God was the Author. Every word in the NT is a word of God (2 Tim 3:16).