When Jesus "took away" your sin, did He leave behind the source, the sin nature?

[Behold]

Holiness does have to do with how we act

Consider that "holiness" is not how you ""act.""
As in that case you are acting., and any religious fool can play that game, and many do it, on my Threads, as well as on others.
Many do it every Sunday, as they run to the front pew to get that SEAT.

Listen carefully.........God gives to the Believer His own Righteousness, or you are not righteous ....which means that you are not holy, no matter how you "act".
God is not interested in our "acting"...>>He is only interested in our FAITH......as "without faith, it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God":.

So, that means that all your effort to be "more like Christ" is just your self effort ACT, and He's not interested in that behavior, at all.

 

[PS95]

Yes, I already thought of that, and have written to her twice with no response.

When I was a little girl, between 5-7 my mother said to me, "why do you go over to your friends houses everyday? They don't like you. They never call you do they? Even though Proverbs 26:2 says a curse without cause shall not alight (stick), when things like this shunning happens, I know what my mother said to me has been a life-long curse. I just don't know what I did to deserve this.

I'll go hunt down your post and see if I can give you a better answer.

I can relate to some of that. I've experienced ill treatment w/o cause many times and also as a child. I'm used to it now. It may be just a part of it? It makes us lean on the Lord even more..
Maybe go back to church even if you don't agree with everything - for fellowship.
We are never too old to meet a new sister..

 

[Behold]

It is not merely a one time prayer and that's that- the end.

Salvation is Jesus on The Cross, and you can't do that for yourself.
So, we see that Salvaiton is a ONE TIME Situation, that has nothing to do with your behavior.
Salvation begins and ends with Jesus on The Cross who Himself is our Etermal Salvaiton and our Eternal Life.
If we have Him in us, then we have Eternal Salvation, and this is not something that you do.....its something that God GIVES as "the Gift of Salvation"......to "all who will believe"........

Thanks for your reply but I don't want to argue this with you again. We've done it over and over, and I give you verses and you give me the same lecture each time as if I think if I sin that I'm not saved.

I have no idea if you "think" you are not saved if you sin, or if you "think" you are, if you sin.........as ive never addressed how you think about your sinning, in that context.
What i tell you, is what i tell all religious people like you......and that is, that your faith is wrong, and once you get it right, then you'll not be talking about sin, and sinning, and losing salvaiton, or OSAS, or commandment keeping or Moses law.........And that is becasuse its only the people who do not understand what Jesus has finished for them on the Cross who have these issues, that you have, which is why you are concerned with sin and sinning.

I don't just take in stride or ignore it.
Try to get that.

Ive never told you or anyone anywhere to ignore your carnal behavior (works of the flesh).
What i teach is how to stop that from controlling your HEAD which is why you still have that issue, and you're not supposed to have it.
You are not supposed to exist very long withing "new Christianity" as a Heb 6:1 .
See, its a wrong faith issue....that is empowering it in your life.......its not a sin issue, its a wrong faith issue.

 

[PS95]

Consider that "holiness" is not how you ""act.""
As in that case you are acting., and any religious fool can play that game, and many do it, on my Threads.

Listen carefully.........God gives to the Believer His own Righteousness, or you are not righteous....which means that you are not holy, no matter how you "act".
God is not interested in our "acting"...>>He is only interested in our FAITH......as "without faith, it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God":.

So, that means that all your effort to be "more like Christ" is just your self effort, and He's not interested in that behavior, at all.

Behold-you go in circles..

1, Did God change you?

2. Do you now live and act differently than you used to?

3. Is God still working in you?

4. Why?

5 Should we resist Him or obey Him?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You bring up 1 John 1:7 and I recall about a year ago you telling me that only applied to when a person is first saved. Are you saying something else now?
We have to remember that 1 John 1:7 is immediately followed by other verses.
John is speaking to believers. sins can be forgiven-
1 John 1:8 -2:1-2
8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

1My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
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Yes, I've changed my view, even though I don't remember saying that to you.

But, I may have meant that the younger we are in the Lord, the more immature fruit we have. After almost 50 years now, I should be pretty mature in more fruit than at first. Also, it is the Lord that brings the immaturity of a particular fruit to our conscience and consciousness, bringing us into the mix to ask for help. Immature fruit that Jesus has not gotten to yet, we are not conscious of and they are automatically forgiven. That is what 1 John 1:7 means.

As for 1 John 1:8 means, along with verses 6 and 10, those are verses of darkness, and there is no darkness in God, thus they are not referring to Christians. Verses 5-10 is a series of the Semitic writing style called synonymous parallelism, and in this case are 'contrasts.' Chapter 3 are also passages of contrasts one after the other. That is why in chapter 1, verses 8 and 10 are pretty much saying something very similar to each other, and verse 9 is after verse 8, but BEFORE verse 10 when verse 9 should also follow verse 10 as it is claiming they have never sinned in their entire life. Read verses 5, 7 and 9 and you will see they are the verses that represent light.

As for the second sentence in 1 John 2, note that John also wrote John 3:16, a famous memory verse, and "anyone" is mankind in the whole world just like "whosoever" that consists of how we became a Christian, but also the rest of the world who hasn't, yet Jesus died for them as well.

While it is true for me also. that my desire to sin what you call big sins) is gone- I can not marginalize the words of Christ to say it isn't such a "big sin" to call my brother a fool or an idiot etc. --------I see it on here often. Look what Jesus said about it. How can you say it's not a big sin?
But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.
Matt 5:22
We all stumble in many things, agree? We just need to be cautious about "big sins" and sin that leads to death.
The sin that leads to death is a hard one but it could be either unbelief,- apostasy (willful sinning?)-, a sin against the Spirit whichwe do know leads to sudden death in Acts.

The sin not leading to death is NOT the 10.
All unrighteousness is sin. Yet it isn't the sin that leads to death.
1 John 5
16If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

When we walk in the Spirit - I agree with you that we don't sin then.
However, if we were young I imagine it would be a lot more difficult being tempted by those young all around us constantly- and having inflamed desires, lacking maturity, parties, being alone on Saturday night etc..
This is why Paul tells them to marry- to avoid fornication.--- a big sin. Fornication isn't one of the 10 either. So it's a mistake to say if you are born again you can not sin a big sin. That's all my point is.

I'm not debating whether or not you or anyone else has reached perfection. That isn't mine to judge. I'm just asking you to reevaluate a few things you've stated.

Verse 17 that you underlined a part of is still 'missing the mark,' but the part you didn't underline should make us wonder what sins do not lead to death. It is showing us that not all sin is the same as the Reformists lumped all sin together erroneously and said, "sin is sin" period. But what they are also doing at the same time is saying that a sin such as murder can be forgiven just as simply as going a mile over the speed limit, and that Jesus freed us from the punishment of sin, but not sin itself.

 

[Behold]

26For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth,

Let me open this verse as this one is one of the Devil's favorites to use against a believer who is having "sin issues" and condemnation.
He'll use Heb 6&10 to beat you into FEAR of losing your salvation, once He has convinced you that these verses are talking to born again Christians.........yet they are not.

Look at your posted verse...

'""""If we SIN.........willfully, after we have received the KNOWLEDGE of the Truth."""""

So, to receive the KNOWLEDGE of the Truth.. is to KNOW that something is TRUE....but this verse is not a discussion on Physics, reader.
This is the spiritural realm, and the apostle is explaing that "now that you KNOW that its true" That Jesus is your MESSIAH..........as you have received the KNOWLEDGE>....= You've (tasted)...= been enlighted by the HOLY SPIRIT>....to KNOW that JESUS IS YOUR MESSIAH....... So, now that you KNOW IT> because its been revealed to you (Tasted ) by the Holy Spirit........if you still willfully refuse to believe it....."as your Father's did" ( who were shouting, Crucify Him, Crucify Him).. then there remains no more sacrifice for you, because you have rejected the Sacrifice, after KNOWING it was true.
And that Reader, is how you Reject Christ, and it become the "unpardonable sin"., and these unsaved HEBREWS did just that... and they did it WILLFULLY.....>KNOWING the Truth.

So, this is not directed at a Christian, as the Christian has already gone from Knowledge of the Truth....= to FAITH IN CHRIST......whereas these Hebrews REFUSED to accept the truth that they knew was true....= "willfully".

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I can relate to some of that. I've experienced ill treatment w/o cause many times and also as a child. I'm used to it now. It may be just a part of it? It makes us lean on the Lord even more..
Maybe go back to church even if you don't agree with everything - for fellowship.
We are never too old to meet a new sister..

I may not be a denominationalist, but I still go to church; in fact, a few. But I also make appointments with pastors to discuss their doctrines and have made friends with quite a few pastors and missionaries. I was also going to church on both days of the weekend, until the SDA church I went to on Saturdays, asked me not to come anymore, as the miracles I would report on were upsetting some of the members when God created an earing I had lost a few years ago. What happened was one day I was praising God for His creative ability when I was just in awe one day as I thought about the universe. The next day I opened a drawer that held my remotes for TV and immediately saw an earring that matched one that I had lost a few years back. I looked in the box of my "one earring" of other earrings that I had lost the mate, and found the matching earring. That was on a Friday, so I told the Sabbath-School adult class about it, and everybody called the pastor and told them to kick me out of the church as I had a demon. They don't believe in wearing jewelry you know...

I still go to the SDA church twice a month for their food bank after church on Sundays, and see some of my other friends that are not in that particular Sabbath School class. I really love these women.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Let me open this verse as this one is one of the Devil's favorites to use against a believer who is having "sin issues" and condemnation.
He'll use Heb 6&10 to beat you into FEAR of losing your salvation, once He has convinced you that these verses are talking to born again Christians.........yet they are not.

Look at your posted verse...

'""""If we SIN.........willfully, after we have received the KNOWLEDGE of the Truth."""""

So, to receive the KNOWLEDGE of the Truth.. is to KNOW that something is TRUE....but this verse is not a discussion on Physics, reader.
This is the spiritural realm, and the apostle is explaing that "now that you KNOW that its true" That Jesus is your MESSIAH..........as you have received the KNOWLEDGE>....= You've (tasted)...= been enlighted by the HOLY SPIRIT>....to KNOW that JESUS IS YOUR MESSIAH....... So, now that you KNOW IT> because its been revealed to you (Tasted ) by the Holy Spirit........if you still willfully refuse to believe it....."as your Father's did" ( who were shouting, Crucify Him, Crucify Him).. then there remains no more sacrifice for you, because you have rejected the Sacrifice, after KNOWING it was true.
And that Reader, is how you Reject Christ, and it become the "unpardonable sin"., and these unsaved HEBREWS did just that... and they did it WILLFULLY.....>KNOWING the Truth.

So, this is not directed at a Christian, as the Christian has already gone from Knowledge of the Truth....= to FAITH IN CHRIST......whereas these Hebrews REFUSED to accept the truth that they knew was true....= "willfully".

I've heard these objections before, but these are definitely Christians that false teachers have gotten their claws into with the Reformationist lie that "sin is sin" and all sin is equal whether willful or unintentional.

26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[Behold]

Behold-you go in circles..

1, Did God change you?

I went from sinner to Born again Christian.

A.) yes.


I now go from "glory to glory"........ according to God's Grace as i continue to utterly rely on it.

2. Do you now live and act differently than you used to?

Paul teaches that Ministers of the Devil, "act differently then they use to"....and the reason they do this, is to deceive you.

So, we can never ONLY look at behavior when we are accessing "is this person really a christian".

And of course logging into this forum for the first time, as a "christian", is meaningless.

What we have to do, is find out..

"when were you saved"
"how were you saved"
"who saved you, and from what"

So, once they begin to answer this, we can then begin to see what we are dealing with, regarding who is saved and who has no idea what that word means.

And if they get all that right, and yet are still confessing sin and trying to stay saved, then their issue is that their faith is wrong, and until this is corrected , then their discipleship is going to continue to fail, and so, they'll continually be sharing this failure with the forum.

3. Is God still working in you?

That is His reality.
He is always working in and for and through the Believer, but that does not mean they are going to be affected by it.
See, if your faith is wrong then you become this...>"apart from me you can do NOTHING">.....Jesus told you.
And that "nothing" is.....>"I want to be better, but im not, and i want to be good, and i can't, and so, im stuck in Romans 7,""
So, when what you are doing is confessing sin, and talking about sin, and have no spiritual power, and all you can do is talk abou it, then you are "apart" and that is because your faith is wrong.
Its broken.

5 Should we resist Him or obey Him?

Reader,
(some of you)...
If you want to obey God, then get your faith right and put down Moses Law, and then you wont be talking about sin, feeling condemned, worried about losing your salvaiton, and unable to learn any bible.

 

[Behold]

I've heard these objections before, but these are definitely Christians that false teachers have gotten their claws into with the Reformationist lie that "sin is sin" and all sin is equal whether willful or unintentional.

Jesus said that some sin is "greater".

26 For if we sin willfully

Every sin, is willfull.... unless its commited in an act of mad passion.

I do tire of self rightesous people who want to pretend that all their carnal deeds (works of the Flesh). are "accidents" when God knows they are nearly all willful.

Paul teaches us about that willful carnality here..

"Use not your Liberty, (God's Grace) for an occasion to the flesh".

= Means........"dont choose to enjoy some carnality now that you know that you are eternally forgiven".

after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

So you are again trying to prove that you can lose your salvation, as every Pentcostal-Charismatic feels a "inner compulsion" to try to prove it.
Ive seen this for 40 yrs, regarding the people who are caught up in those denominations.

And you have no idea that this insults God's Son's Blood.

And the reason you are blind to this, @1stCenturyLady .... is becaue the Pentecostal -Heretical Charismatic theological junk that trained you to falsly believe you can lose your salvation is too deeply rooted in you, so you are unable to recognize that this teaching is a Cross Rejecting Lie, that spits on the very Blood of Jesus.
What you have in your mind, is a STRONGHOLD, and that is why you can't accept that Jesus keeps you saved, and not your silly self effort.

And dont now lie and say that you believe that Jesus keeps you saved in any subsequent post that follows this one where you are again lying to these members by telling them that you can lose your salvation.

Also, as i was explaining to a member........"receiving the knowledge of the truth" only means that its been revealed to your heart by the Holy Spirit.
It does not mean you have taken the next step of FAITH and God saved you, thereby.

28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

The born again are not under "moses law"......so your verse is not doctrinally applicable to a CHRISTian, but it fits an unsaved HEBREW very well in Hebrews Chapters 6 & 10 doesn't it.

29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing,

To be sanctified you have to believe in Christ and be born again.........and then the sanctification happens.

1 Corin 1:30 .. (KJV).

Wheereas when an Apostle is preaching Christ to Unsaved Hebrews, in the Book of HEBREWS... then they are not yet saved....however they did taste the heavenly gift, as that happened when the Holy Spirit caused them to "come to the knowledge of the truth".
Its also a fact that is not clearly revealed by those chapters that this Apostle performed "signs of an Apostle" before them, because "jews requrie a sign".....and so, to see that happen is ALSO to taste the "Heavenly Gift"... as Apostolic Signs.. 2 Corin 12:12 are a heavenly GIFT.
YET< these unsaved HEBREWS "willfully sinned" and wont have it.... even after "tasting the heavenly gift".....= because they are willful Christ Rejectors who are stomping on the Blood of Jesus., thereby committing the unpardonable sin.
Read about it again in..

Acts 28:28

and insulted the Spirit of grace?

Insulting the "Spirit of Grace" is to deny that The Blood of Jesus that provided forgiveness, continues to do so, forever.
In other words, to insult The Cross is to teach that you can "lose your salvation" as that teaching completely denies the power of The Cross and the Blood Atonement.
And that is what you do, as that is who you are, as a "religious person" on this forum... @1stCenturyLady .

And you'll do it again......

30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,”

The Cross is the "ARK" whereby all true born again Christians are kept safe from God's Wrath, as they are "not appointed to it"...

NO born again believer will ever face "God's wrath", because Jesus has already been given it all by God on The Cross.
Jesus took all of God's wrath on The Cross so that the truly born again will never have to face it.
(Thank you Jesus).
Hallelujah !
And of course a lifelong Charismatic like you @1stCenturyLady who believes you can lose her salvation will never understand God's Grace.
Never.

says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”

The born again will be judged at the Judgement Seat of Christ.....but NEVER For their sin.....as Jesus has already been judged for them ALL on The Cross.

A.) "God hath made Jesus to BE SIN FOR US">.. (US = the born again).....because Jesus is the "ONE TIME ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin".

Look up the definition of "eternal", and see if that sounds like it could be a temporary situation, @1stCenturyLady .

= Jesus is the "one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin".

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Lost Hellboud Sinners should beware of John 3:36.... absolutely.

Whereas Belevers should have no concern about God's wrath at all.......as the only thing they are going to receive once they leave this earth, is a "New Body" and "rewards" discovered at the "bema seat of Christ".

 

[Anchorite]

Its not written to Jewish believers in those verses.......as The Apostle would know that He does not have to get Beleivers to again trust in Christ.
See, You are so very badly instructed that you dont even recognize that the Apostle is giving them the GOSPEL. @PS95 .

You have no respect for others. You just obsessively keep hammering away at your warped libertine ideology.

PS95 told you she does not want to keep arguing with you, but you persist.

Telling her “You are so badly instructed that you don’t even…” is an arrogant, insulting, personal attack.

Is this what you call walking in holiness?

PS95 said to you:

Behold. No offense - I'm sure you are a nice person. I believe that you love the Lord. But I didn't tag you on my post for a reason. We disagree on much. Holiness does have to do with how we act and we are cautioned against sins. We are given the righteousness of Christ and we are to walk in that righteousness.
It is not merely a one time prayer and that's that- the end. That is the beginning- our walk is ongoing and we are being transformed into being more and more like Jesus.
Thanks for your reply but I don't want to argue this with you again. We've done it over and over, and I give you verses and you give me the same lecture each time as if I think if I sin that I'm not saved.
I do not think that, but it doesn't make me happy to do something that doesn't please the Lord. I don't just take in stride or ignore it.
Try to get that.

 

[quietthinker]

Consider that "holiness" is not how you ""act.""
As in that case you are acting., and any religious fool can play that game, and many do it, on my Threads, as well as on others.
Many do it every Sunday, as they run to the front pew to get that SEAT.

Listen carefully.........God gives to the Believer His own Righteousness, or you are not righteous ....which means that you are not holy, no matter how you "act".
God is not interested in our "acting"...>>He is only interested in our FAITH......as "without faith, it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God":.

So, that means that all your effort to be "more like Christ" is just your self effort ACT, and He's not interested in that behavior, at all.

Conflating news with advice ensures confusion!

 

[Lambano]

There have been many times when a thought popped into my head that I didn't want.
To me just having the thought was sinful- but not deadly- it's a reminder though that I still sin.

Interesting point, though I could argue that your lying to your friend was not unintentional but premeditated in the sense of thinking about how frustrated and irritated you were with her.

The Book of Common Prayer has a confession starts out, "Most merciful God, we confess that we have sinned against you in thought, word, and deed, by what we have done, and by what we have left undone. We have not loved you with our whole heart; we have not loved our neighbors as ourselves." What we have done, and what we have left undone. Sins of commission and sins of omission.

 

[ProDeo]

If Jesus has paid for your sin, 2000 yrs ago with His blood and death, then you can believe this as you should, and once you do get your faith right, you'll stop wasting your time confessing what is already eternally forgiven.

What ?!

A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet went to him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba

Ps 51:1 Have mercy on me, O God, according to your steadfast love; according to your abundant mercy blot out my transgressions.
Ps 51:2 Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin!
Ps 51:3 For I know my transgressions, and my sin is ever before me.
Ps 51:4 Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight, so that you may be justified in your words and blameless in your judgment.
Ps 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Ps 51:6 Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being, and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart.
Ps 51:7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Ps 51:8 Let me hear joy and gladness; let the bones that you have broken rejoice.
Ps 51:9 Hide your face from my sins, and blot out all my iniquities.
Ps 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me.
Ps 51:11 Cast me not away from your presence, and take not your Holy Spirit from me.

Following what you just preached a David living 2000 years later would not have confessed his terrible sin and not had written Psalm 51? Can a born again cheat his wife without a brutal honest and regretful sin confession like King David did all in the open as a lesson to learn? No need following @Behold , you are wasting your time, the words you have chosen to trust to the forum members.

Terrible bro.