Who Dat that’s gonna be Dem Beasts?

[larry2]

Who Dat that’s gonna be Dem Beasts?

Rev 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea (water of the word) of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

 

[APAK]

Still a very elusive subject mate, at least for me.

Here’s a ‘Once upon a time’ TV series version

They are dedicated guardian forces, protectors and maintainers of the realm, of heaven and God’s presence or throne or place of rule.

They act as dynamic spiritual servants to and from God’s spirit, within heaven and in other created dimensions and realms such as the physical universe, with its earth.

They exert unmatched spiritual power, service/maintenance, love and control, intelligence and wisdom in all of God’s domains or realms.

Bless you,

APAK

 

[larry2]

Still a very elusive subject mate, at least for me.

Here’s a ‘Once upon a time’ TV series version
They are dedicated guardian forces, protectors and maintainers of the realm, of heaven and God’s presence or throne or place of rule.
They act as dynamic spiritual servants to and from God’s spirit, within heaven and in other created dimensions and realms such as the physical universe, with its earth.
They exert unmatched spiritual power, service/maintenance, love and control, intelligence and wisdom in all of God’s domains or realms.
Bless you,
APAK

Hi Brother APAK, and thanks for your input. I had not seen a movie concerning this subject, and will just bring a few pertinent facts attempting to bring to light who these very special ones are.

In the midst of the throne they are at God’s right hand present with our Lord.

A better description of them to me is what Ezekiel described them as, and that is Living Ones in Eze.1:5. Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.
And then in Eze 10:17 . . they were lifted up, . .
Eze 10:19 And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight. (they were caught up into heaven?)

I’ve heard them described as cherub, and Ezeliel described them as being cherubs, but then such power was described as beasts by John, and yet we read in Heb 1:13, But to which of the angels said He at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

As we get further into their mission we see them directly involved in the judgment to come as we read in Rev 6:1. And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2Ti 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with Him (All born of God), we shall also live with Him:
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer (endure), we shall also reign with Him: . . .

I’ll let off here for rebuttal if any. Blessings in Christ Jesus.

 

[brakelite]

If I read correctly, these four 'beasts' are redeemed from the earth, for they, along with the 24 elders, and the saints, sang ....
Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

 

[larry2]

these four 'beasts' are redeemed from the earth, for they, along with the 24 elders, and the saints

Good morning Brother brakelite. You made a statement here that I'm not quite sure of. Are you saying the the four living ones are different from the saints I underlined in you reply quoted above? I'm attempting to show that they are a part of the Church. Please give me your ideas. Thanks

 

[brakelite]

Good morning Brother brakelite. You made a statement here that I'm not quite sure of. Are you saying the the four living ones are different from the saints I underlined in you reply quoted above? I'm attempting to show that they are a part of the Church. Please give me your ideas. Thanks

I am agreeing with you. I may be wrong but the way I read that passage from Revelation 5, I see the beasts singing a song that can only be sung by a redeemed creature. As far as we know, only mankind needed a Redeemer. Only man was lost in sin.

 

[larry2]

I read that passage from Revelation 5, I see the beasts singing a song that can only be sung by a redeemed creature. As far as we know, only mankind needed a Redeemer. Only man was lost in sin.

Hi again and thanks for the clarification. That's the way I read it also.

Now I'll bring forth two parts of the church that these elders, and living ones are represented by. Regardless the rank of believers, their being caught up to Jesus will be in the followning manner, and that according to the formula of 1 Thes 4:16-17.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (the elders of Rev 4:4 - those of the Church in Smyrna that remained faithful unto death of Rev 2:10)
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (the living ones of Rev 4:6 - those of the Church in Philadelphia - Those who patiently kept God's word to endure)

This is but two parts of the Church, and there are more we may get to in time. What seemed to separate them? The sea of glass representing the word of God? We will see other saints that appear before the throne; not round about and/or in the midst of the throne.

God bless you in Jesus' name.

 

[Enoch111]

Who Dat that’s gonna be Dem Beasts?

Rev 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea (water of the word) of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

Those four beasts are also called "living creatures" and they are in fact angelic beings -- CHERUBIM -- who surround the throne of God.

EZEKIEL 1
5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.
6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.
7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.
8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.
9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.
10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle. ["full of eyes before and behind"]
11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.
12 And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went.
13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.
14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.
15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.
16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.
18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.
19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.
23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.
24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.
25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.
26And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

 

[larry2]

Those four beasts are also called "living creatures" and they are in fact angelic beings -- CHERUBIM -- who surround the throne of God.

Dear Brother Enoch111, thank you for your response. I have to disagree that Revelation is presented to John to glorify angels, but Jesus being revealed with those He died for. I would ask where you see the bride of Christ caught up to God. There are also the saints to come out of great tribulation in Rev 7:14 we know as the Great Multitude.

What is a cherub? Strong’s Concordance interprets it as angel of uncertain derivation, and the word angel is interpreted as a messenger from God. Can they be human? There is an instance of one being so.

Eze 1:19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. (Raptured?)

Eze 1:20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. (They were filled with the Holy Spirit?)

God bless you in Jesus’ name.

 

[Enoch111]

I have to disagree that Revelation is presented to John to glorify angels, but Jesus being revealed with those He died for.

Who said anything about glorifying angels? I simply clarified the meaning of who and what those beasts are. They are there to glorify God, not draw attention to themselves.

What is a cherub? Strong’s Concordance interprets it as angel of uncertain derivation, and the word angel is interpreted as a messenger from God. Can they be human?

Cherubs (plural actually cherubim) are very special angels whose sole function is to serve at the throne of God (as indicated in both Ezekiel and Revelation). They are quite unlike the other angels in that they have four faces with four sets of eyes. Although angels generally means "messenger" cherubim are not messengers but -- one might say -- "guardians" of God's throne.

When angels (but not cherubim or seraphim) are sent to communicate with humans, they do take human form, and communicate in human language. But they can generally be distinguished from ordinary humans in that they radiate light (but not always).

 

[larry2]

angels generally means "messenger" cherubim are not messengers but -- one might say -- "guardians" of God's throne.

Good morning again. If that is the case, the dead in Christ rise first (1 Thes 4:16), the 24 elders are round about Jesus' throne (Rev 4:4) with the Living ones (Rev 4:6), what do you think their relationship is?