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Who founded your church?

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by theefaith, Jan 3, 2021.

  1. Marymog

    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    Well, once again we agree (surprise). Jesus is the truth! Everything he taught was the Truth.

    Sooooo when your interpretation of His Words lead you to your truth which is different than someone else’s truth......Which one of you is right? Luthers truth was different than the CC truth. Which one of them was right?

    Can you see how your theory is not well thought out?

    Curious Mary
     
  2. Marymog

    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    Ummmmm......The Church has never suggested that it was the only shop in town. They have been fighting heretical teachings from other shops in town since the 1st century. The epistles were written to give directions to NT Christians and fight heretical teachings by men who were trying to set up heretical shops in town. A large portion of the writings and official announcements/writings s from the men of The Church Were to fight heretical teachings from men who tried to set up heretical shops in town. In 107AD Ignatius first called The Church “Catholic” and he eluded to other shops in town that had been set up by False teachers.

    Sooooo your bizarre statement that The Church wanted to “sustain the idea (that) she was the only shop in town” is ludicrous and void of facts. It was POINTING OUT the heretical shops in town and you probably wouldn’t even know about them if it wasn’t for The Church writing dissertations to expose them and their heretical teachings.

    Goodness...you are wearing me out....

    Mary
     
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    Backlit Well-Known Member

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    Lol. Okay.
     
  4. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

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    What makes you think that God cannot save someone in a cult, He is quiet capable.
     
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    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    WOW...Such an articulate rebuttal. I have learned when a person can’t defend their false beliefs/statements they quickly bow out to save face.

    Thank you for your time.
     
  6. Marymog

    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    I believe He is capable 0f saving you.....if you join His Church. Yup...I’m trolling you...in the hope of saving you.
     
  7. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

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    well far to late im sorry no star added to your littlle ditty. So many religious people going to be disappointed soon enough. And I love trolls they cute and live under mushrooms.
     
  8. Marymog

    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    Hi Fomitiporia ellipsoidea, Let me help you:

    Write your best with Grammarly.
     
  9. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

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    You cant even help yourself.. Got no leg to stand on...have you, ignorance is bliss,
     
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    It's worked for you so far....hasn't it!!
     
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    The key word is repentance, which is the act of being penitent.

    If you voluntarily engage in a devotion of penitence (self mortification) because you are contrite for for your sins - that's one thing. Torturing yourself is quite another - and has NEVER been taught by the Catholic Church.
     
  12. Marymog

    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    Hi David,

    From whom did you receive the knowledge that other men's teachings has "flaws"? Are you self taught?

    Also, what does it mean to you to be a Laodicean?

    Thank you in advance.....Mary
     
  13. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    the papacy is biblical
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    Healing was refered to not eternal salvation
    1 cor 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

    all faith even alone avails nothing

    Phil 1:29 not called to faith alone
     
  15. Renniks

    Renniks Well-Known Member

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    I agree. Demons do not accept Christ's sacrifice. They can't, because it's not for them. They don't trust in God, they only believe because they have no other choice. We must trust in his sacrifice to save us. Big difference. But our work merits nothing.
     
  16. David H.

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    I Am Holy Spirit taught. He teaches me, and leads my thoughts, Most times using scripture, other times he leads me to other teachers that are Holy Spirit taught themselves. Most times, he has corrected my own thinking on these matters and shown me how these problems are prevalent in the church. For example, Like Hosea he has given me marital issues that have taught me the true meaning of Agape love and Christ's love for His church, and how he is waiting for his bride to submit to His will, which has illustrated the lack of submission in the churches who go about doing things according to the will of man as opposed to the will of God. Building grandiose monuments to the faith, whether cathedrals or protestant entertainment centers being among them.

    I Was taught in the church's i was raised in that we were the Philadelphians, that we were the church that had no rebuke presented to them, which was indicative of the denial the Laodicean church is under known as complacency. This was the fate of the Fundamentalist missionary based churches of the 18th and 19th centuries that had textualism take over and divine revelation was lost on them. The Holy Spirit told me that this was a lie, that I am a Laodicean believer, and that all who are alive now who believe are Laodiceans, this least of the churches, and most rebuked. It was a wake up call as he convicted me of my denial, my wretchedness, my blindness, and spiritual nakedness. But when I accepted this conviction, I took the remedy prescribed to this church seriously, and he gave me the eyesalve to see, and the desire to repent from my self deception and denial that was perpetuated by these scribes in my churches which led to this denial.

    He then took me into the wilderness where absent from all previous indoctrinization of the church he taught me the truth. I went into the wilderness with the heart willing to learn and he taught me, I went in with Pauline ignorance (A term I use in place of Socratic ignorance) To Know nothing save Christ and Him crucified (1 Corinthians 2:2), and he showed me the church, and the church ages, and how the church grows through these ages, and why he does this the way he does, how the seven Spirits of God are tied to each of these church ages, and how when they in the end unite, the fulness of Christ comes in, and how each of these churches ages brought in a progressive revelation that makes this whole, and how this final church age is the one that will bring to birth the saints of the millennial reign that will rule with Christ as a royal priesthood. There is so much to this I cannot even explain in a short comment, much of it he is still revealing to me, so I understand that I only Know in part the fulness of what is his plan for the church.

    In that respect I do not deny the role of the Roman church in these church ages, for they have a big part in them forming large parts of that progressive history, and having those who have kept themselves pure from the corruptions of those church ages as that passed down from one age to the next. But I also see people like Luther and Wesley as part of this progressive revelation, and the Asuza street revival as the final church age being born. Each age got arrogant in their exclusivity, and in each case Nicolaitans took over those churches and each time God raised a remnant holy and desiring of the Him and the truth to reform the body to where we are now. Where we are now is the postmodern church absent from Truth, and disjointed, and disconnected, and in absolute chaos, But this is a blessing, because Unity of the Spirit will stand in contrast to this disjointed nature and shine the light on the flaws of the church leadership that has led to this, this being, in my opinion the finest hour of the saints of the church, But at the same time the tares will be exposed as their love waxes cold as they battle to keep their Nicolaitan power over the people, much like you all have done here trying to dictate dogma and promoting the hierarchy of the catholic church, which is not only a catholic problem but a problem in all the churches.

    Re: Nicolaitanism. Nicolaitanism literally means to to rule over the laity, to conquer the laity. They are in Revelation a group of people who fell into Balaam's error. Balaam was a prophet who did so for personal gain, and placed a stumbling block before the people of Israel. This error takes many forms in the churches of men. From the earliest day this was a problem in the church, which Paul addressed in 1 Corinthians 3 when he spoke of the some being followers of Paul himself and some being followers of Apollos. Immediately he rebuke the Corinthian church, pointing all from men to God, saying he planted and Apollos watered, but God granted the growth.

    It is in the fallen nature of men to lead and be led, for some to lord over the masses. This is a problem with human nature, but with those who are in Christ, we are all brethren. (See Matthew 23:4-12) We all know in part, not the whole, and in fellowship with those who know different parts we can get a picture of the whole. So For example I as a fundamentalist no longer am led by the fundamentalist scribes which dictated our doctrine, (the Nicolaitans of fundamentalism) But will and am able to have fellowship with Catholics, or Calvinists or Charismatics, while learning from them some wonderful truths of the divine revelation given them, all the while discerning when they begin to promote their Nicolaitanism, and am able to point this out to them how this is their flaw. This is what fellowship is about, it is learning from one another the whole of the Truth Granted us, that we may more fully know the truth. This can only occur in the scismatic and broken world we are living in and in this Laodicean church age. It is we in this age who are called to unite the seven Spirits of God given to the seven church ages into the fulness of Christ as we lay aside the doctrines of men. For the scripture read Ephesians 4:11-16. Especially verse 14. This is the mystery he has revealed to me, the question is can you hear what the Spirit is saying to the church?
     
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    Can't argue with that. Here's one example...
    KJV Daniel 7:24-25
    24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
    25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
     
  18. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    only two entities are capable of fulfilling this scripture: drunk with the blood of the saints
    The pagan Roman Empire and militant communism! Not the holy church founded by Christ Matt 16:18 Jn 10:16
     
  19. Renniks

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    First, your church has not been consistent on the issue of penance. Some insisted that not all sins could be forgiven, adultery for example. Again how can one know how many acts of penance are enough? Because of some priests prescription?

    You can not just sweep your churches history under the rug, and pretend it's all pretty.
     
  20. Renniks

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    They all do, IMO. I have attended various churches and studied on my own also. Some more than others. The Catholic IMO, add too much ritual and baggage that's non biblical, until there's a very real danger of people trying to work themselves into the kingdom by doing all the right rituals, people who may not have ever come to Jesus himself for salvation.
     
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