Who is the AntiChrist? (Identifying Him)

[MatthewG]

Nero had Coins saying Czaer is Lord.

So i dont think the pope has anything to do with revelation. Might be a conspiracy theory, @Hobie.

 

[ewq1938]

Well lets see what the Bible shows us is this entity. We have the following points from Daniel 7 will help us to identify the little horn which grows into the Papal power.

You have decided all this already and didn't use any fully cited scripture. I assure you there is NOTHING about the little horn turning into the Papal power in the bible. Quote scripture, then comment on it but anything you add that isn't there from scripture cannot be accepted as valid. What you are doing is starting with a belief, then trying to justify that belief. It's circular logic.

 

[MatthewG]

Also that he was almighty God and savior.

Calvin B. haines jr, 1995 Doomsday delusions.

Might be soemthing to check out.

 

[MatthewG]

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[ewq1938]

That one is a bit harder, but if you look you find these heads represent kingdoms that persecuted God's people. You've got Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece. Five that were in the past when John has this vision, all five of those powers occupied the children of Israel and persecuted them.

Now of the fallen those are all in the past at the time of John writing, and it says five are fallen. It says 'one is', so you are correct on the sixth, that was Rome at John's time, Pagan Rome ruled by the Caesars. And it says the other is not yet come, and we know what came after Pagan Rome, it was the Papacy. That's a religious/political entity, with the power of Rome ruled by the church and it says he's also the eighth. Why? You go to Revelation 13, it says he gets a deadly wound but he comes back again and goes and all the way to the end when Christ comes.

So Rome was the 6th and the 7th? That doesn't make much sense. A repeat of essentially the same ruling kingdom works for the 7th and 8th but not 6th and 7th.

The 6th was Rome because it was in power when John wrote of it existing and in a falling phase but the 7th isn't ruling yet, and when it does there will be ten new kings of kingdoms appointed to power and it only lasts 42 months ending at the second coming. We are still waiting for that kingdom to rise.

 

[Jay Ross]

So much waffle and so little substance. So little understanding by those who pontificate greatly on this subject.

When does the four facetted beast, an amalgamation of the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12, come into the picture time wise?

The Judgement of the five beasts of Daniel 7:2-12 will occur in our near future, around 20-25 years from now, when Isaiah 24:21-22 takes place, at Armageddon, for the kings of the earth, and at the same time the heavenly hosts who constitute the four independent beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 and the Little Horn, are all judged, and together with the judged kings of the earth, they will be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years before they are released for the little while period at the end of the seventh age in a vain attempt to overthrow God's Everlasting Kingdom.

So, any speculation as to who the nations will be that join themselves to the four facetted beast in the book of Revelation, is pointless, as the world picture at that time will be completely different, even from the nations that exist today.

As has happened from the time of Daniel to today's situation, nothing has changed. The beasts have caused the people in the sea to rise up and manifest the respective beasts dominate characteristics to do their evil intents. The Little Horn is able to exercise his dominion over the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 to achieve his desired outcomes in trampling God's sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts, over a period of 2,300 years which will end also at the time of the Armageddon judgement.

Now with respect to the Statue Prophecy in Daniel 2, people have ringfenced this prophecy so that any other prophecies that are pertinent to the statue prophecy are not able to be linked. If we remove this ringfence we would understand that the Land of Babylon will become desolated and devastated for a period of time just over 2,000 years in duration. Jeremiah 50 tells us that the Land of Babylon will be desolated and devastated by the third empire to have dominion over the land of Babylon, namely the Grecian's northern empire.

This means that the first three segments having dominion over the land of Babylon are, Babylon, the Medes and the Persians and then the Grecian empire.

In the seventh Bowl judgement in Rev 16, we are told that Babylon will be remembered once more for God's wrath to be poured out once more over the land of Babylon. This occurred in 1926 after WW1, when France and Britain divided up the middle eastern countries of the Otterman empire which was defeated in WW1. Babylon around 120 BC, was stripped of its utility structures, and they were loaded onto cart along with the people and taken to be distributed around the Sicilian Empire, some 60 years before the Roman Empire became the dominate world empire after 60 BC. The Roman Empire had no dominion over the land of Babylon at any time during its existence, hence the Roman Empire is not the fourth segment of the Daniel 2 Statue prophecy. The fourth segment of the Statue prophecy is actually Iraq. The modern-day Northern king along with the many kings that joined with him, who then entered into the Land of Babylon to so call "heal the Land of Baylon" was the Coalition of the Willing lead by the President of the USA. This means that the Coalition of the Willing became the fifth segment of the Statue in Daniel 2.

When Satan is also gathered with the other judged entities, he will have put in place his good and faithful servants to impede the establishment of God's Everlasting Kingdom through the use of trading with vast amounts that they will trade with by lending this money to the peoples of the earth during the 1,000 years that Satan is imprisoned in the Bottomless pit, so that those who borrow money from Satan's Good and faithful servants will not have the time to focus on the Goodness of God in their lives.

So, who is the antichrist during the Little while period after the Bottomless Pit is unlocked the imprisoned entities are once more able to influence the lives of people?

My guess is that the Antichrist will be a wicked rebelling heavenly Host who was judged 1,000 years earlier and found wanting.

What must we be doing to help the generations that are going to come after us? We must present to them the truth of what is happening today and tell them that the Antichrist will be a fallen angel who is going to come, after he is released from the Bottomless pit, to deceive the peoples of the earth such that they will turn away from God and abandon Him.

That is the message that we should be generating. Not the misinformation that Satan is cleverly generating through his good and faithful theological servants to mislead the saints in the future.

Shalom.

 

[covenantee]

Why not try a few verses and learn the truth being taught???

Why not learn how modernist dispensational futurism has been deceived and co-opted by the antichrist of the historic apostate papacy?

 

[Davy]

So much waffle and so little substance. So little understanding by those who pontificate greatly on this subject.

When does the four facetted beast, an amalgamation of the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12, come into the picture time wise?

The Judgement of the five beasts of Daniel 7:2-12 will occur in our near future, around 20-25 years from now, when Isaiah 24:21-22 takes place, at Armageddon, for the kings of the earth, and at the same time the heavenly hosts who constitute the four independent beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 and the Little Horn, are all judged, and together with the judged kings of the earth, they will be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years before they are released for the little while period at the end of the seventh age in a vain attempt to overthrow God's Everlasting Kingdom.

That above theory is in itself a theory developed by men, and forced into The Scriptures. It's an idea that is not written which some even like to use to point to the European Union.

Daniel 7 is where Jesus was pulling from when showing Apostle John about the beast kingdom at the end, per Revelation 13:1-2. That is about the "ten horns" which are "ten kings" and the "little horn" that comes up among the ten. Revelation 17 also defines that combo for the end, the ten kings and then the "beast" (king) they give their power to for "one hour" (trib time).

Daniel 2 includes ALL previous beast systems under one roof of the final beast kingdom of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. That means a WORLD-WIDE BEAST KINGDOM over ALL nations and peoples, just like Jesus showed in Rev.17:15.

And Apostle Paul in 2 Thess.2 declared the coming of the WORLD-WIDE RULER over it all, the "man of sin" or "son of perdition", or "that Wicked" one. That is the same pseudo-Christ that Jesus pointed to in Matthew 24:23-26 that is to come working the great signs and wonders to deceive the whole... world (except Christ's elect). That is the same "another beast" shown that is to come working those signs and wonders and miracles, raining fire from heaven down to earth in the sight of men.

Why that "sight of men" phrase in Rev.13 about the "another beast" and his working? Don't we know that those on earth work signs and wonders on the earth in sight of men? What's different that that phrase would be needed? It's because Lord Jesus was pointing to a SUPERNATURAL ENTITY as that "another beast" working those signs, wonders, and miracles on earth in the sight of men. It is about Satan himself coming to this earth, in plain sight, to do those things.

This also is why Paul called the "man of sin" also by the title "son of perdition", even though Judas whom Jesus called that was already dead. It's because not even Judas Iscariot has been judged and sentenced to perdition in the future "lake of fire". That "lake of fire" event of Rev.20 only happens AFTER Christ's future 1,000 years reign beginning at His return. The "lake of fire" is NOT the heavenly abode of the wicked called "hell". The future "lake of fire" is an event that will destroy the one-world "beast" and the "false prophet" when Jesus comes, and then after His reign, it will destroy Satan, the wicked, and even the abode of hell, and the concept of death.

 

[Jay Ross]

That above theory is in itself a theory developed by men, and forced into The Scriptures. It's an idea that is not written which some even like to use to point to the European Union.

Oh Davy, you have not understood what I have written. What I have posted has nothing to do with the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire does not even figure in the Daniel 2 Statue prophecy. If you cannot find what I posted in the scriptures, then that is your problem to deal with and not mine.

Daniel 7 is where Jesus was pulling from when showing Apostle John about the beast kingdom at the end, per Revelation 13:1-2. That is about the "ten horns" which are "ten kings" and the "little horn" that comes up among the ten. Revelation 17 also defines that combo for the end, the ten kings and then the "beast" (king) they give their power to for "one hour" (trib time).

Daniel 7:1-12 describes what would happen from the time of Daniel until the end of this present time when the judgement of the beasts occurs. When the Beasts are judged as also described in Isaiah 24:21-22, they will be imprisoned for many days, i.e., 1,000 years,

Daniel 7:13-14 describes Christ, as the son of Man, being given dominion over all of the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him. These 1,000 years of imprisonment requires a 1,000 year gap to be inserted into Daniel 7 before verse 16.

Rev 13 corresponds with Daniel 7:20-27

There is so much that you do not understand about the events that must take place and when they will occur that you are not qualified to comment on what others post.

Sometimes it is easier to not comment on what others post because of the rabbit holes that they then try and take you down.

Shalom

 

[Davy]

Oh Davy, you have not understood what I have written. What I have posted has nothing to do with the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire does not even figure in the Daniel 2 Statue prophecy. If you cannot find what I posted in the scriptures, then that is your problem to deal with and not mine.

ANY theory about western nations, or Islamic nations, being the final beast, leaves Bible Scripture. The final beast of Daniel 2 is to be feet that have ten toes made up of clay mixed with iron. Iron was the symbol of the old Roman empire. Some believe the iron in the feet of ten toes at the end will be a revived Roman empire, I do not believe that. The Daniel 2 Scripture reveals a final beast that will pull ALL the previous beast systems together on earth into a ONE-WORLD BEAST KINGDOM that will be destroyed "together" when Christ returns to smite that beast upon its feet, and the whole comes tumbling down.

Daniel 7:1-12 describes what would happen from the time of Daniel until the end of this present time when the judgement of the beasts occurs. When the Beasts are judged as also described in Isaiah 24:21-22, they will be imprisoned for many days, i.e., 1,000 years,

That passage in Isaiah 24 is talking about the kings of the earth that are cast into Satan's pit and after a certain time are 'visited'. That is pointing to the wicked kings of the earth cast into Satan's pit prison, with Satan, on the day of Christ's future coming on the last day of this present world.

Daniel 7:13-14 describes Christ, as the son of Man, being given dominion over all of the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him. These 1,000 years of imprisonment requires a 1,000 year gap to be inserted into Daniel 7 before verse 16.

Yeah. That is also the time of the latter part of Zechariah 14 when all nations will be required to go up to Jerusalem from year to year to worship The KING, The Lord of hosts.

Rev 13 corresponds with Daniel 7:20-27

The Daniel 7:20-25 Scripture actually aligns with the Revelation 13:4-8 Scripture about worship of the "dragon" (Satan), and his given power for 42 months and making war on the saints. Then at Rev.13:11 forward, it is about the "another beast" entity that comes working the great signs, wonders, and miracles to deceive the whole world. That will... be Satan himself, on earth, in plain sight, with the image of man that he has always had.

There is so much that you do not understand about the events that must take place and when they will occur that you are not qualified to comment on what others post.

Sometimes it is easier to not comment on what others post because of the rabbit holes that they then try and take you down.

Shalom

You simply don't know what you are talking about, but try to push a Judaizer viewpoint about yourself as if only Jews can understand God's Word. That is nothing but a false ego trip you are doing.

 

[Jay Ross]

ANY theory about western nations, or Islamic nations, being the final beast, leaves Bible Scripture. The final beast of Daniel 2 is to be feet that have ten toes made up of clay mixed with iron. Iron was the symbol of the old Roman empire. Some believe the iron in the feet of ten toes at the end will be a revived Roman empire, I do not believe that. The Daniel 2 Scripture reveals a final beast that will pull ALL the previous beast systems together on earth into a ONE-WORLD BEAST KINGDOM that will be destroyed "together" when Christ returns to smite that beast upon its feet, and the whole comes tumbling down.

No Davy, I have not said that western nations or Islamic nations will be the beast of Rev 13. What i have been consistently stating is that the beasts of Dan 7 and 8 and Rev 7, 9, 11, 13, 16, 17, 19 and 20 are wicked rebelling heavenly hosts, namely angels that have rebelled with Satan.

These beasts have been able to influence people such that they manifest the dominate characteristic of each of the Beasts.

You claim that the five segments of the Daniel 2 Statue prophecy represent all of the beasts over time, yet this prophecy is about what will happen to the Land of Babylon and the people groups, kingdoms, nations and Empires that will have dominion over the land of Babylon. In Daniel 8 we are told that after the death of Alexandra the Great that the "four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven," which indicates to me that the four notable one became influenced by either just one or all of the beasts od Daniel 7:2-12 and as such manifested the respective beast(s), i.e., the wicked fallen heavenly hosts/angels.

That passage in Isaiah 24 is talking about the kings of the earth that are cast into Satan's pit and after a certain time are 'visited'. That is pointing to the wicked kings of the earth cast into Satan's pit prison, with Satan, on the day of Christ's future coming on the last day of this present world.

This is what Isaiah 24:21-22 states: -

21 It shall come to pass in that day​

That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones,​

And on the earth the kings of the earth.​

22 They will be gathered together,​

As prisoners are gathered in the pit,​

And will be shut up in the prison/cistern;​

After many days they will be punished.​

Your quoted claim above does not match what is written in Isaiah 24:21-22.

Yeah. That is also the time of the latter part of Zechariah 14 when all nations will be required to go up to Jerusalem from year to year to worship The KING, The Lord of hosts.

What you are claiming in this quote is true, but I am not sure that the understanding that you are giving to this passage is exactly the same what Daniel 7:13-14 states.

The Daniel 7:20-25 Scripture actually aligns with the Revelation 13:4-8 Scripture about worship of the "dragon" (Satan), and his given power for 42 months and making war on the saints. Then at Rev.13:11 forward, it is about the "another beast" entity that comes working the great signs, wonders, and miracles to deceive the whole world. That will... be Satan himself, on earth, in plain sight, with the image of man that he has always had.

You have restated what I had posted that "Rev 13 corresponds with Daniel 7:20-27," but with your own personal twist to the scriptures.

You simply don't know what you are talking about, but try to push a Judaizer viewpoint about yourself as if only Jews can understand God's Word. That is nothing but a false ego trip you are doing.

Your statement quoted will not win the argument Davy as it is a false claim on your part.


As I previously said, it is often better not to post my understanding of the End Times because of all the rabbit holes that others want to go down.

Shalom

 

[strepho]

With all do respect. Get out of the preaching business fast. Your not trained properly and you lack knowledge.
James chapter 3 . Masters, thier teachers, will be strictly judged by Jesus.

Sir. Your misleading people. You incorrectly taught God's word.
If you don't Repent, and get out of business of seed planting. You will bring down Jesus anger even more.
Your being warned by God's Elect, Zadok. I have to clean this up.

Daniel 8:3 . The ram is America. It's super power. America and Britain have the blessings and birthright. Get the picture.

8;8 . The he goat is the one world political system of revelation chapter 13.
8;9 . The little horn is satan as antichrist near future.
The fourth beast is one world political system. It receives deadly wound near future. Satan as antichrist will come 6th trump and heal deadly wound. By establishing world peace. Now its a one world religious system, 5 month period.
Documentation, revelation 13 and chapter 9 .
How do I get past antichrist??.
Ephesians chapter 6 . The gospel armour is knowledge and wisdom of God's word. Its studying the bible. Sound doctrine.

In your service. GODS ELECT, ZADOK.

 

[Hobie]

So Rome was the 6th and the 7th? That doesn't make much sense. A repeat of essentially the same ruling kingdom works for the 7th and 8th but not 6th and 7th.

The 6th was Rome because it was in power when John wrote of it existing and in a falling phase but the 7th isn't ruling yet, and when it does there will be ten new kings of kingdoms appointed to power and it only lasts 42 months ending at the second coming. We are still waiting for that kingdom to rise.

Pagan Rome is the one at Johns time and it was followed by Papal Rome, if you look

Revelation 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Revelation 17:11
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Now of the fallen those are all in the past, and it says five are fallen. It says one is, that was Rome at John's time, Pagan Rome ruled by the Caesars. And it says the other is not yet come, and that's a religious/political entity, with the power of Rome ruled by the church and it says he's also the eighth. Why? You go to Revelation 13, it says he gets a deadly wound but he comes back again and goes and all the way to the end when Christ comes.

So this woman of Revelation 17 represents Babylon, the mother of harlots, false religion or apostate Christianity, which is Papal Rome and it is going all the way to the end, as we see, even though the Pope was taken out by Napoleon and thought was gone, but has come back.

As the next chapter clearly is about the fall of Babylon and these other kings of the earth are bewailing and lamenting her destruction. So for a brief period of time just before the plagues are poured out, the divisions of the Roman Empire are going to once again direct their authority back to the beast, and we can see this with the EU and formation of the new world order. Its just a matter of time..

Revelation 18 King James Version (KJV)

"1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,"

 

[Hobie]

Take a look at what had to happen, and who the seventh king and kingdom is, it must satisfy the following requirements:
The timeline has that it must appear on earth sometime after the sixth kingdom (Rome), and yet sometime before the eighth kingdom, the last before Christ coming.

Activity of this seventh is much like all of the other kingdoms on this list, it must dominate and persecute God’s people, as either Israel, or spiritual Israel which are those grafted in, Christians.

Now what type of kingdom is this seventh. It is describable as a religious kingdom as it says blasphemy or that it has the power and authority of God, promoting idolatry among other evil intents.

Significance of its power in the timeline. As with the other kingdoms, it should alter the course of history in a manner that fulfills Biblical prophecy, in terms of the people and nations of the world.

So if you look closely, there is only one power in all history that meets the description given here. In other words, God closes every other option, and forces us to the only possible conclusion, this Antichrist power alone fulfills all the points of identity established.

From the Roman Empire to our time there has only been one political/religious entity that fits, and this apostate AntiChrist power continues today and will till the end...

 

[Hobie]

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Identifying the Antichrist | Prophecy of Daniel | Religious and Political System

Daniel's dream describes a little horn that arises from among the ten horns of the fourth terrible beast. The little horn power represents the Antichrist and is described in Daniel's dream so that we can clearly identify who this end-time enemy will be.

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[MatthewG]

Thank you for sharing, i openly choose to believe Nero was the antichrist, its a subjective belief @Hobie. People can disagree or reject, one has to consider 40 years is a generation, jesus spoke to 4 apostles and told them that generation which was, was not gonna pass away until all things come to pass. I refuse to change my stance for anyone cause my subjective belief relies on Jesus promise coming true and it did so, and there is written evidences of the great and dreadful day of the Lord coming upon Jerusalem, events of the sun, and the moon, in those days. People have to search for it, however people are searching today, hoping for something and nothing ever comes to frution of a one time event so great it would never happen again.

Love to you, you can believe whatever you want, I believe what I do and it doesnt bother me to believe Jesus came back for his bride. It does bother others and all they can tell me is “your wrong” and im fine with that.

666 is a reference to a man; those churches written to had to figure it out. It was Nero.

All the best.

 

[ewq1938]

Pagan Rome is the one at Johns time and it was followed by Papal Rome, if you look

So this woman of Revelation 17 represents Babylon, the mother of harlots, false religion or apostate Christianity, which is Papal Rome

The 7th king/kingdom and Babylon cannot both be Papal Rome.

Truth is neither is Papal Rome. We are still waiting for the 7th to rise to power and it won't be the RCC an Babylon is representative of those deceived into worshipping the AC as a god. It's a new religion.

 

[Jay Ross]

The Antichrist is not a person but a wicked, fallen, rebelling Angel.

This will occur during the little while period after the Bottomless pit is unlocked.

While Satan is not able to influence the peoples of the earth, while he is imprisoned for 1,000 years, from the beginning of the seventh age, Satan will have already empowered his good and faithful servants with money, in the hope that they will be able to oppose the establishment of God's Everlasting Kingdom during the time of the kings of the statue's fifth segment, while Satan is imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit during the first 1,000 years of the Seventh Age.

It is after the Bottomless pit is unlocked that the Locusts, the Four facetted Beast, the False Prophet and Satan are able to freely roam the face of the earth to initially go after the Israelites and then the Christian Saints over a period of some 24 or so years of the Little While Period before descending on Jerusalem where the Solemn Covenant spoken about in Daniel 9:27 will be made with the willing peoples of the earth by the Little Horn/False Prophet which will have a duration of seven years.

The Antichrist will rise up out of the Bottomless Pit and many of the people on the earth at that time will Chose to worship the image of the Beast.

The question that we must ask ourselves is, will the political and religious landscape be the same as it is today, or will that landscape totally change after the Son of Man has been given dominion over the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him.

I would suggest that the seven hills that that are the heads of the beast over which the prostitute is draped over in Rev 17 are initially seven Blasphemous Religions which will be destroyed and go into the Lake of fire.

Perhaps, what we should focus on is our working relationship with Christ now and the work that we should be doing to help bring in God's everlasting kingdom. The Summer season of the harvest will be upon us before we will expect it to be here. The question is, Will we be ready for the establishment of the Everlasting Kingdom during the last age before the final judgement?

We are all worrying about things that are not our concern.

Our concern at this very moment is to worship and serve the Lord.

Shalom

 

[face2face]

The Antichrist is a Muslim!

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Impossible.

 

[face2face]

The Antichrist is not a person but a wicked, fallen, rebelling Angel.

Literally impossible - angels dont have a flesh and blood nature!