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    GISMYS_7 Well-Known Member

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    Again!!! What chapter and verse???
     
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    I see you can't understand what Lord Jesus said here at all...

    Luke 17:30-33
    30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
    31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
    32 Remember Lot's wife.
    33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
    KJV
     
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    It's in the 2nd paragraph of my post, so stop playing around, will ya?
     
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    If you don't want to read those Luke 17 verses I covered, then fine. Go to, follow man if that's what you want.

    But know this. When you throw out your supposed wisdom with a 'want to be TAKEN' idea you got from the Pre-tribulationalist preachers, then you are pushing a false doctrine of theirs. And that latter Luke 17:37 answer by our Lord Jesus to 'where' those would be taken is proof of what I say.
     
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    GISMYS_7 Well-Known Member

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    Reject God's word on the catching up and be left behind!!! All your choice!!

    There are no honest rebuttals to the truth of God's Word! ===1 Thessalonians 5:9
    For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Luke 21:36

    “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
    Just believe God's Word on the catching up (rapture)??

    16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain """shall be caught up together""" with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words1 Corinthians 15:51- 57
    Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
     
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    You aren't really reading God's Word as written, you are just regurgitating a bunch of doctrines of men. Sad.
     
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    What are you talking about????? I AM POSTING CHAPTER AND VERSE OF GOD'S WORD!!

    1 Thessalonians 5:9
    For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Luke 21:36

    “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
    Just believe God's Word on the catching up (rapture)??

    16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain """shall be caught up together""" with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words1 Corinthians 15:51- 57
    Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
     
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    You are still way off topic of the Luke 17:37 verse of Christ's answer about the 'taken' idea.
     
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    LOL!! You are lost in the fog!!!
     
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    I've already proven for those interested that you are not to be trusted with God's Word, and that's enough to show you don't know what you're talking about.
     
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    Do you crucify the flesh daily? If not, then the verse is for you, not Israel. Like you would tell God face to face it is not my time to die? God says, "It is your time." You answer back, "but God, You said, if I live I would be saved". God says, "So, it is still your time to die", and He takes you home under objection, but still takes you home.
     
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    The catching up (rapture) comes before Jesus returns to earth==== the rapture and the return are NOT the same event!
     
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    Our Lord Jesus' Message there in those Luke 17 verses is a 'warning' about the events of the end of this world, leading up to His return. It is because of a great deception that is coming upon the whole world just prior to His return to gather His Church.

    Luke 17:30-33
    30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
    31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
    32 Remember Lot's wife.
    33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
    KJV


    The Subject: the time just PRIOR to Christ's coming to gather His Church.

    His Command to His Church there: on that day, His servant that is upon the housetop, which is the idea of being a WATCHMAN, is not to go back to get stuff in the house. And if you are out working in the field don't return to your house to get anything either. The whole idea is about WATCHING, to know that moment. It's about the Signs of the tribulation time which Jesus gave His Church to be watching.

    Remember Lot's wife who was told not to look back but she did. It means don't be concerned for leaving the things of this world.

    Then He warns, for THAT time, those who seek to save their life will lose it, but those who lose their life shall preserve it. That does not make sense if thinking of it in the fleshy carnal sense. It is involving a spiritual matter, and the matter is either remaining a spiritual chaste virgin waiting for His return, or instead playing the spiritual harlot with the coming Antichrist which comes prior to Jesus' gathering His Church. For those of us that wait for Jesus, some of us are to be delivered up to give a Testimony for Christ against the beast and possibly be killed. Like those at the Church of Smyrna, we are not to fear death if it comes to that. This will not happen to all the Church though.

    We (His Church) are NOT going anywhere prior nor during the coming great tribulation. We are expected to keep the Faith through it, stay working in the field, until the day that Jesus returns when He will gather us. All Bible Scriptures agree with this view, so it is not my opinion.
     
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    The catching up (RAPTURE) will be before the return of Jesus to earth!
     
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    Who Jesus will Return for and Catch up at the (Rapture) Answer =Hebrews 9:28=Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To ""those who eagerly wait for Him"" He will appear a second time.
    Those that do not look for and expect the rapture are left behind and then must then try to live under anti-christ rule.

    1 Thessalonians 5:9
    For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Luke 21:36

    “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
    Just believe God's Word on the catching up (rapture)??

    16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain """shall be caught up together""" with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words1 Corinthians 15:51- 57
    Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
     
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    Show me just one verse in the Bible telling us to look for an antichrist. You make the point not to worry about things and be prepared, and then shatter it with, "but look and concern about the antichrist." No. Ignore all antichrist as well as this world's affairs.

    I am sure that you all will be perfectly ok when God takes you out of this world, even if you disagree with God on the timing. The rapture is not a choice. It will happen in God’s timing, not man's interpretation.
     
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    After the rapture and 3 1/2 years into the great tribulation anti-christ will sit in the new temple the Jews have built and say he is god.======2 Thessalonians 2:4 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
     
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    That is Satan, and when the rapture happens all will know. When the angels start arriving on earth, in seal 6, they will not be of God.
     
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    You're kidding, right?

    2 Thess 2:1-4
    2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
    2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
    KJV


    That's just making excuses to hold onto a tradition of men that is not written in God's Word. Obeying Jesus' command to 'watch' the Signs leading up to His 2nd coming has nothing to do with worry. He gave us those Signs so we WOULDN'T worry!

    But the doctrine of men you follow is what has you worrrying, otherwise you wouldn't be so scared to actually believe the Scriptures about the end as they are written instead of some 'fly away' theory that began to be preached by some man in 1830s Britain.
     
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    I AM POSTING CHAPTER AND VERSE OF GOD'S WORD!!

    1 Thessalonians 5:9
    For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Luke 21:36

    “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
    Just believe God's Word on the catching up (rapture)??

    16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain """shall be caught up together""" with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words1 Corinthians 15:51- 57
    Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
     
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