About the Signs of the Second Coming of Jesus

[Ronald David Bruno]

One of your respected explanations was written over 40 years ago and much understanding has changed since then.

What respected scholars have you learned from if not them?

Perhaps if you could correctly answer just two questions concerning who or what is mentioned in Dan. 7:2 and then describe what is happening in 7:3, then I may be interested in continuing this discussion with you

It is typical when a person is cornered, can't argue on one specific phrase (time, times and half a time -NKJV), to deflect and derails it, change the subject -because you can't argue it. You didn't accelt my view so I gave two scholarly views and one you ignore and the other is 40 years old. Then you claim you've been studying for many years ? More or less than 40 years. Shall we ask Spurgeon, Wesley or Walvoord?
I don't want to play this game.
Define the phrase, I did. You don't like, fine.

The question that I am asking you is how good a handle do you have to lecture anyone else on the End Times about when and what happens as they unfold

Now you demand credentials. Well I wrote a book on Christianity, but that doesn't make me right. Go and seek out the views of some contemporary theologians - because YOU ARE NOT ONE.
Btw, Dan. 7 is about the times are are currently living in, the Great Tribulation. This One World Government will take over for 3 1/2 years. The identity of the beasts mentioned really doesn't matter. Satan and his Antichrist rule during this time. We are NOW experiencing the power of this Beast, the lies, the fear, the control, the loss of our freedoms and it will get worse. Another virus, more vaccines ... The mark of the Beast ... for a time, times and a half of a time.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Now disasters are occurring frequently around the world. The signs of the second coming of Jesus have appeared. Clearly, the prophecies the Lord Jesus said 2,000 years ago have been fulfilled, like “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, see, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood” (Revelation 6:12), and “For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows” (Matthew 24:7–8). Facing frequent disasters, how can we welcome the Lord’s return and avoid missing the chance to reunite with the Lord? The following content will tell you the answer.

1. The Appearance of the plagues, War, Famine, and Earthquakes
2. Spiritual Famine
3. The Restoration of Israel
4. Visions Appeared in the Stars
5. The Gospel Spreads to the Ends of the Earth
6. The Appearance of False Christs and Antichrists

One of the 1st signs of judgment is sin--the sin that is causing the judgment.

Another sign is the initial appearance of the judgment itself. Quite often this appears as a warning sign. For example, if God is going to bring a nation under judgment by war, there may be initial signs of displeasure with that nation around the world. There may be increased threats being made, some acts of terrorism, a military buildup by outspoken adversaries, and a general sense of carelessness in the nation about to be judged.

When people stop seeking the Lord, if they ever have at all, God stops blessing them abundantly. Harvests become poor, trade with other countries doesn't go so well, and the most affected groups, economically, begin to complain bitterly.

Natural disasters begin to take place, testing the nation's concern about prayer and repentance. Is the nation looking to God to help, or is it looking only to itself for the answers, giving itself credit for the ability to meet the critical needs?

Meanwhile, God uses His people as prophets to warn the nation to repent or be judged. It isn't a good sign if the nation mocks all these warnings as mindless "doomsday prophets," or street corner merchants in evangelism.

When serious competition for Christian morality emerges, what we have are Antichrists assuming an ungodly form of leadership in a country. And this clearly precedes the end for a country's state of blessing and prosperity.

Initially, strong leadership brings order, and elite loyalists, both leaders in wealth and military, are paid for their support. But strict controls over something that cannot be controlled turns into brutality and oppression of the people. This spells the end to that corrupt government and judgment for a nation that adopts such poor leadership.

 

[Jay Ross]

What respected scholars have you learned from if not them?

What I have learned from them is that few of them know what the scriptures actually teach. To many preach from a safe theological understanding and are not prepared to rock the boat less they lose their standing among the people who hang on their very words. It is man's understanding that they preach and not God's understanding.

It is typical when a person is cornered, can't argue on one specific phrase (time, times and half a time -NKJV), to deflect and derails it, change the subject -because you can't argue it. You didn't accept my view so I gave two scholarly views and one you ignore and the other is 40 years old. Then you claim you've been studying for many years ? More or less than 40 years. Shall we ask Spurgeon, Wesley or Walvoord?
I don't want to play this game.
Define the phrase, I did. You don't like, fine.

Your response is typical of many, in that you have resorted to attacking the person rather than showing that you have understanding on the questions that I asked you, to prove that it is beneficial for us to have a sensible discussion. As such you have provided your credentials, and shown that you have blindly accepted what your referenced "scholars" have taught and not spent the time meditating on what they have taught to determine whether or not they are right. Both referenced scholars, from my scanning of what they have written, hold to the position of a rapture happening in our near future. From my study and research, this is not true as the gathering to Christ, of the resurrected saint and those who are still alive at that time, in the air, is a distant future event, that will occur around 1,000 plus years into our future and that this will not occur in our near future.

As such, in my humble opinion, they did not provide the evidence that their understanding is correct in any way.

Now you demand credentials. Well I wrote a book on Christianity, but that doesn't make me right. Go and seek out the views of some contemporary theologians - because YOU ARE NOT ONE.

Again an attach of the person, without any evidence to prove your point. Just because I do not hold to your popular view does not mean that I am not a scholar.

Now if you had written a book, why then did you not referenced that book? And yes I agree with you, just because you write a book, that does not make you right at all. It is strange that many of our scholars write books on many subject, and, if as you have claimed, that that that does not make you right, then, that same claim can also be applied to your respected scholars as well.

Btw, Dan. 7 is about the times are are currently living in, the Great Tribulation. This One World Government will take over for 3 1/2 years. The identity of the beasts mentioned really doesn't matter. Satan and his Antichrist rule during this time. We are NOW experiencing the power of this Beast, the lies, the fear, the control, the loss of our freedoms and it will get worse. Another virus, more vaccines ... The mark of the Beast ... for a time, times and a half of a time.

Well, is that so, how far have we present progressed through the prophetic words of Daniel. 7? Let me simply just quote the portion that has already unfolded so far: -

Dan 7:1-8: - 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying on his bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream.
2 Daniel said: "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me were the four winds of heaven churning up the great sea. 3 Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea.
4 "The first was like a lion, and it had the wings of an eagle. I watched until its wings were torn off and it was lifted from the ground so that it stood on two feet like a man, and the heart of a man was given to it.
5 "And there before me was a second beast, which looked like a bear. It was raised up on one of its sides, and it had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. It was told, 'Get up and eat your fill of flesh!'
6 "After that, I looked, and there before me was another beast, one that looked like a leopard. And on its back it had four wings like those of a bird. This beast had four heads, and it was given authority to rule.
7 "After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast — terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns.
8 "While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth that spoke boastfully.​

NIV​

The next section, 9-14 will occur in our near future, probably within the next 25 years, while 19-27 is a distant future event that will occur over a 1,000 plus years into our future.

Oh, and their is a 1,000 year gap in Daniel 7 between verse 18 and 19.

B.T.W. Does this make any sense to you now.

Shalom

 

[solway]

Now disasters are occurring frequently around the world. The signs of the second coming of Jesus have appeared. Clearly, the prophecies the Lord Jesus said 2,000 years ago have been fulfilled, like “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, see, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood” (Revelation 6:12), and “For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows” (Matthew 24:7–8). Facing frequent disasters, how can we welcome the Lord’s return and avoid missing the chance to reunite with the Lord? The following content will tell you the answer.

1. The Appearance of the plagues, War, Famine, and Earthquakes
2. Spiritual Famine
3. The Restoration of Israel
4. Visions Appeared in the Stars
5. The Gospel Spreads to the Ends of the Earth
6. The Appearance of False Christs and Antichrists

JOB 9:9 Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south.
ACTS 14:21 And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and [to] Iconium, and Antioch,
Acts 14:12///Jupiter/"Mercurius"/Mercury
Acts 14:15///"Sirs/Sirius"

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April 19 to May 28............"As Bright as the Planet Jupiter"
(Sirius SUN...Earth SUN...Jupiter SUN................Simplified to...........Halley's Comet Yearly Cycle, corresponding to a Meteor Shower) (THE MONTH OF MAY)

(we are provided with 2300 for SIRIUS Alignment (to end of solstice precessional alignment 1980/1998/2012/2016) (to 2016 A.D.)....."1260+1260" for Galactic Center Alignment, Earth Sun (2019 A.D. Coronavirus)............................AND............."1290+1335" for Jupiter's Excitation or Alignment (SINGULARITY)....the Singularity Activation Corresponds to, the Year Cycle of Halley's Comet in the Month of May (or you can say from the Vernal Point in March, to a 7 year pull from Jupiter to Excitation)

1. 2300 From SIRIUS to Earth Sun (IN DAYS)
2. "1260 + 1260" From Galactic Center to Earth Sun (IN DAYS)
3. "1260 + 1335" From Earth Sun against Celestial Plane (Vernal Point) to Jupiter Sun (IN DAYS)

or Halley's Comet Yearly Cycle in Month of May (Son of Man Value is Most Important, or completes the Seven Year Trinity Figures, God uses in Days)

(Those Observations from the OP, are Book of Revelation Observances?)
(Everything is to Happen Very Soon)

1. The Appearance of the plagues, War, Famine, and Earthquakes
2. Spiritual Famine
3. The Restoration of Israel
4. Visions Appeared in the Stars
5. The Gospel Spreads to the Ends of the Earth
6. The Appearance of False Christs and Antichrists

1. (Nasa's Tower Shard 1967) (Or Planet Jupiter Excitation) 1967 Jupiter to Turin Shroud of Jesus Burning 1997........."30 for Jesus/Joseph of Luke 3:23")
(Two Interstellar Objects, One Corresponding to Jupiter's Alignment in 2017/Oumuamua....One Corresponding to Covid-19/Borisov.......SUDDEN APPEARANCES, that mark Daniel's 7 Year Periods) (The 1st Parallel is Jesus/God...The 2nd Parallel is Two Witness Conclusion of Daniel)
2. (1600 Days of Revelation, from Turin Shroud Burning to 9/11/2001)
(William Miller's Prophecy 1844 + 153 Years for Days to Turin Shroud of Jesus Burning in 1997)
3. (The Covenant of Canaan, GOD'S RAINBOW, Unified Field, is not seemingly modified, but by dead flesh NULLIFIED, Megiddo+Jerusalem is in Joshua 12's Genealogy, when God talked about a Rainbow/Rings on Earth to Moses, and Euthanasia in that day..............then the controversy of including the word jerusalem and rainbow in the revelation)
4. "The Sun was Eclipsed by a New Sun" - Hezekiah
GENESIS 11:10 These [are] the generations of Shem: Shem [was] an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:
Fatima Prophecy 1917 + 102 Years = 2019 Covid19 (the information is parabolic, all life was killed/turned to dust, then the corruptable generations formed, and god blessed the homosapien) (Which is 666 in days/Mark of Beast to the Revelation......End of "1290//1335" of daniel, for son of man/beast) (TO 2021 A.D. Very Soon) (we can't assume God refers to the Earth's Sun in Revelation, when Jupiter is also a Sun)
5. REVELATION 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. Comet Shoemaker Jupiter Strike 1994 + 7 Years to 9/11/2001 Falling Man Moses + 60 Years/Hour to Halley's Comet 2061 A.D. (when humanity is killed and everything is done).
6. (The Generations without Sin..............God follows through with the Son of Man...........and he is blessed also to help some of them also..............not just the 12 apostles, by many times in history..............today we'll have to see soon)

(For many years we said the only best thing to do was to use autopsy of jews and minorities as they take their lives using force and lethal force against them, as they eliminate themselves, their families and their communities............only recently have been been blessed into a common theme and a pandemic and there is more to this.............very good to see rabies also..........god's judgment and mercy are things to be grateful for with prayer)

(i.imgur.com/UiogWZu.png...............small public safety notice..............only recently have we've seen the association to god's mercies in the book of revelation, the hope and love that is inscribed that that nobody knows about............only when god affords the son of man the power to use euthanasia whoever he is..........will god answer the suicide pleasure only, that, consumes humanity with its own promise to inherit the new universe, euthanasia is only the beginning.................but developing a will to live and that may not happen and answer the problem of earth eventually and finally resolving that problem)

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

His second coming, in the distant future, over 1,000 years from now

This is why you don't except what many Christians believe, Jesus will return soon and we are either in the beginning of sorrows now approaching OR in the Great Tribulation. The Rider on the White Horse is the Antichrist, who just went out to conquer, was given a crown (Coronavirus). This whole pandemic is a diabolical move, power grab to institute a One World Government - HELLO.

Day of the Lord has the same duration length and that length is a little longer than 1,000 years where Satan is given a little while after he is released to do his worst, and the duration of that time period is somewhere between 20 to 30 years.

Wow, the day if the Lord is LIKE a thousand years and a thousands and years is LIKE a day. The Lord is simply not confined to our time domain. HE OPPERATES OUTSIDE OF THIS PHYSICAL DIMENSION.

So putting this in context, Daniel was given this time period, at the time of the 3.5 ages from when Adam was created, so adding 3.5 ages to the time that Daniel Lived the time of when Adam was created to when Jesus comes to judge all the people of the earth is for 7 ages.

That is why you calculate incorrectly. It is as if you have no discernment. Are you born again? Have you been baptized by the Holy Spirit? All scripture is spiritually discerned.

Rev. 19 is all about what Christ will be doing during the Millennium Age, whereas Rev. 20 starts off about Satan, then speaks of the first resurrection people who have been beheaded for their belief in Christ, and then it speaks of what Satan will be doing after he is released 1,000 years later.

The rapture/ first resurrection will happen within a few years. The second resurrection happens after the Millennial kingdom.

You really need a good teaching church, one that teaches eschatology and also be willing to learn from the scholars there are hundreds. I should also pray receive the Holy Spirit and for guidance and discernment when you read the Word.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

What I have learned from them is that few of them know what the scriptures actually teach. To many preach from a safe theological understanding and are not prepared to rock the boat less they lose their standing among the people who hang on their very words. It is man's understanding that they preach and not God's understanding.



Your response is typical of many, in that you have resorted to attacking the person rather than showing that you have understanding on the questions that I asked you, to prove that it is beneficial for us to have a sensible discussion. As such you have provided your credentials, and shown that you have blindly accepted what your referenced "scholars" have taught and not spent the time meditating on what they have taught to determine whether or not they are right. Both referenced scholars, from my scanning of what they have written, hold to the position of a rapture happening in our near future. From my study and research, this is not true as the gathering to Christ, of the resurrected saint and those who are still alive at that time, in the air, is a distant future event, that will occur around 1,000 plus years into our future and that this will not occur in our near future.

As such, in my humble opinion, they did not provide the evidence that their understanding is correct in any way.




Again an attach of the person, without any evidence to prove your point. Just because I do not hold to your popular view does not mean that I am not a scholar.

Now if you had written a book, why then did you not referenced that book? And yes I agree with you, just because you write a book, that does not make you right at all. It is strange that many of our scholars write books on many subject, and, if as you have claimed, that that that does not make you right, then, that same claim can also be applied to your respected scholars as well.




Well, is that so, how far have we present progressed through the prophetic words of Daniel. 7? Let me simply just quote the portion that has already unfolded so far: -

Dan 7:1-8: - 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying on his bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream.
2 Daniel said: "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me were the four winds of heaven churning up the great sea. 3 Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea.
4 "The first was like a lion, and it had the wings of an eagle. I watched until its wings were torn off and it was lifted from the ground so that it stood on two feet like a man, and the heart of a man was given to it.
5 "And there before me was a second beast, which looked like a bear. It was raised up on one of its sides, and it had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. It was told, 'Get up and eat your fill of flesh!'
6 "After that, I looked, and there before me was another beast, one that looked like a leopard. And on its back it had four wings like those of a bird. This beast had four heads, and it was given authority to rule.
7 "After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast — terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns.
8 "While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth that spoke boastfully.​

NIV​

The next section, 9-14 will occur in our near future, probably within the next 25 years, while 19-27 is a distant future event that will occur over a 1,000 plus years into our future.

Oh, and their is a 1,000 year gap in Daniel 7 between verse 18 and 19.

B.T.W. Does this make any sense to you now.

Shalom

Well if you've done the research, I guess you are certain it is correct. You should confirm it with the Lord, that you will be resurrected in a thousand years!
I'll be taking that flight much sooner. Don't worry, a thousands years won't be very long - it's like a day in the spiritual realm.
Oh btw, the Parable of the Ten Virgins that you were trying to teach someone about. Do you know what the oil symbolizes that the five didn't have? People can't get into heaven unless they have some.

 

[Jay Ross]

Well if you've done the research, I guess you are certain it is correct. You should confirm it with the Lord, that you will be resurrected in a thousand years!
I'll be taking that flight much sooner. Don't worry, a thousands years won't be very long - it's like a day in the spiritual realm.
Oh btw, the Parable of the Ten Virgins that you were trying to teach someone about. Do you know what the oil symbolizes that the five didn't have? People can't get into heaven unless they have some.

BTW, without a link, I have no idea what you are talking about, concerning what I was teaching about with respect to the parable of the ten virgins. Although I remember commenting in a thread where the ten virgins that actual details of what I might have posts eludes me at present. I am an older person and have learned that I do not need to remember all the details about what I may have written. If you can provide the link, then I may be able to jog my memory and so understand your claim that I was trying to teach someone about previously.

As for being resurrected in a thousand years time, that is the case for all of humanity who are not part of the first resurrection as told in Rev. 20. So unless you are going to lose your head because of your faith, then according to Rev. 20 you will be resurrected with me, in the distant future and not in the near future. I believe that is the gist that Rev. 20 presents concerning the two resurrections and when they will occur. Pity about that misconception on your part.

I await your response.

 

[Jay Ross]

This is why you don't except what many Christians believe, Jesus will return soon and we are either in the beginning of sorrows now approaching OR in the Great Tribulation. The Rider on the White Horse is the Antichrist, who just went out to conquer, was given a crown (Coronavirus). This whole pandemic is a diabolical move, power grab to institute a One World Government - HELLO.

But does that make all those "christians" right though.

Wow, the day if the Lord is LIKE a thousand years and a thousands and years is LIKE a day. The Lord is simply not confined to our time domain. HE OPPERATES OUTSIDE OF THIS PHYSICAL DIMENSION.


That is why you calculate incorrectly. It is as if you have no discernment. Are you born again? Have you been baptized by the Holy Spirit? All scripture is spiritually discerned.

I have questioned you theological understanding, but not your faith. Why are you belittling my beliefs and Faith in God.

The rapture/ first resurrection will happen within a few years. The second resurrection happens after the Millennial kingdom.

So when are your going to lose your head then to qualify for the first resurrection? You only have a few year to accomplish that wish.

You really need a good teaching church, one that teaches eschatology and also be willing to learn from the scholars there are hundreds. I should also pray receive the Holy Spirit and for guidance and discernment when you read the Word.

We all need good teaching on the subject matter of eschatology but to state that I need to read all of the questionable scholars out there to be taught the truth is impertinence on your part.

Your assumption that I am not filled with the Holy Spirit and that I need to be, is not an argument that I would use. It is the HS Himself that is teaching me what I need to know about the end times. If we disagree on what the HS would teach us about the end times then that is okay as you can discern what it is that you want to believe. I simply do not wish to move from what I am receiving from the HS on the End Times and what will be happening. I stopped listening to Harold Camping years ago and his soon understanding of the second advent of Christ.

Shalom

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

BTW, without a link, I have no idea what you are talking about, concerning what I was teaching about with respect to the parable of the ten virgins. Although I remember commenting in a thread where the ten virgins that actual details of what I might have posts eludes me at present. I am an older person and have learned that I do not need to remember all the details about what I may have written. If you can provide the link, then I may be able to jog my memory and so understand your claim that I was trying to teach someone about previously.

As for being resurrected in a thousand years time, that is the case for all of humanity who are not part of the first resurrection as told in Rev. 20. So unless you are going to lose your head because of your faith, then according to Rev. 20 you will be resurrected with me, in the distant future and not in the near future. I believe that is the gist that Rev. 20 presents concerning the two resurrections and when they will occur. Pity about that misconception on your part.

I await your response.

It was post #14.
I just asked a simple question, forget about the context of your teaching, it is strictly about the Parable of the Ten Virgins itself
>> What does the oil symbolically represent?
5 virgins did not have it. Everyone needs it to get into heaven. ???

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

So when are your going to lose your head then to qualify for the first resurrection? You only have a few year to accomplish that wish.

I am very familiar with that verse. John saw souls in heaven that have been decapitated for their faith, it did not mean all of them were. Many today are being murdered in Muslim countires like Sudan by decapitation - the world has turned a blind eye to it. That is and has been their final step. Islam has advanced through the centuries by forced conversions. They occupy a territory, pillage and plunder, rape, force you to convert, so the victims flee for their lives or stand execution. Thousands upon thousands have been killed this way. There are some 80 Islamic terrorist groups and they are active in a hundred countries. Since 9/11 we have thwarted thousands of terrorist attempts to do us harm.

I have questioned you theological understanding, but not your faith. Why are you belittling my beliefs and Faith in God.

You have belittled others in this thread. You can dish it out but can't take it? Telling someone they lack understanding and laughing at their responses is belittling them.
Examples:
"And yes it is hysterical that you do not adhere to a year for a day when it does not fit your thinking as well and have been sold a pup by Satan in his orchestration of the Maccabee revolt to mirror the 2,300 days instead of the 2,300 years"
"To deny that God's earthly hosts have not been trampled since the time of the Maccabees is demonstrating your lack of understanding on this particular prophetic and as such raise questions about your ability to see how the end times is actually playing out"

I get where you miscalculate the angels answer of time, time a and a half of time.
You misunderstand the questiin: : - "How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?
Your thinking is How long from now till then. That is not correct.
The question means how long will this Great Tribulation last. The answer is given several times in Revelation 3 1/2 years = 42 months, 1260 days, 1290 days, 1335 days

You seem to be in denial or stubborn to admit your mistake.

 

[solway]

I am very familiar with that verse. John saw souls in heaven that have been decapitated for their faith, it did not mean all of them were................................Since 9/11 we have thwarted thousands of terrorist attempts to do us harm.
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I get where you miscalculate the angels answer of time, time a and a half of time.
You misunderstand the questiin: : - "How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?
Your thinking is How long from now till then. That is not correct.
The question means how long will this Great Tribulation last. The answer is given several times in Revelation 3 1/2 years = 42 months, 1260 days, 1290 days, 1335 days

(Reply) (Regarding Witnessing)

Daniel's Prophecy is Cyclical...........the Day Measurements.............it appears that the abridges in Daniel's Week Prophecy, points to this information.

1. God allowed Mankind to be a Witness with Moses (indicated in Daniel's Week/Year Prophecy) (the written was was not finished)
2. God did not allow Mankind to be a witness when the Temple of David Fell, and leading to the Events of Babylon in disputing "suicide pleasure" (the Temple was an example of the written law being finished), with the prophets of daniel (the angel), Shadrach/Meshach/Abednego
3. God did not allow Mankind to be a witness when the Temple, which is now the Body of Jesus in the New Testament (the discernment for the faithful and dead flesh/dirth), was completed, in disputing "suicide pleasure", before isreal with his anointed at that time

Galactic Alignment Effects (Page 1) - Line.17QQ.com

(Daniel's Cyclical Figures of "2300 Days" + "1290 and 1335" (THINK, Sirius SUN and Jupiter SUN) was perfect articulate and measureable.
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1. Exodus
2. Temple Destruction
3. Temple of Jesus Body Destruction
4. Abomination of Desolation Revealed and Rebuked (Dead Flesh)
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1. YES
2. NO
3. NO
4. NO
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"1260 + 1260" or Seven Years of Revelation, is more information, so not only are the two previous measurement ACCURATE AND CORRECT................But Mentions also the Earth's Sun Specifically against the Galactic Center Alignment is a Measurement............that means "12/21/2012" + "1260and1260" days = Covid-19 and 42 Years from that is Halley's Comet Humanities Death!

Does Humanity have a Legal right to be a witness of anything, any work of God, right now the Answer is NO

Daniel's Measurements is God's Propensity to React, specifically with, Noah's Rainbow/Unified Field, in the Dead Flesh Accusation, of man's dirth, unclean genetic lines (removed from the book of revelation//book of life).............The Answer Appears to be NO right now.............No for any identification of Noah's Rainbow on Earth, or Jupiter, or anywhere else............although the language to resolve the son of man's testimony does not have to be articulate............God has performed many signs already, they are not articulate, or touch on the dead flesh issue specifically with the unified field/natural design/noah's rainbow issue.
God does not make payment for sin by consequence of performing a judgment, that is why thing are not "articulate", not "really significant actions", in relation to Noah's Rainbow the Unified Field/Dead Flesh issue, this appears to be valid and the law.
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1. God's Propensity to React (Noah's Rainbow/Daniel's Weeks), in the Capacity of Mankind being a Witness on the Dead Flesh Accusation with a Unified Field ........... IS INVALID (god identified with daniel, but not in a "articulate way" ......... Daniel's Weeks are the Discernment of That..........(mankind has to kill, God specifically did not destroy the temple in jerusalem......to highlight mankind's responsibility.........and Jesus ended the controversy)
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2. "200,000,000" is God's Mercy........to Assist a portion of the people in the transition to god's mercies........ensign of nations according to isaiah (or the tiny women creatures of the voynich manuscript) (otherwise the stance can be difficult, the possibility also does not exist for those genetic lines, removed from the book of life.............God's Mercies will go forward and the people will benefit accordingly to God's Blessing with the Son of Man in Euthanasia...........everything is to be resolved soon)
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3. "1000 Year Kingdom".............is the Earth Propensity to Field, and this will naturally kill a percentile of the global population..........this is tied to said, ALSO, any unified field expression this earth may support during this time.............remember the natural design of the body affords association to the unified field, uncleanness and genetic decay, is lethal
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(God has not reacted, God has not reacted in an "articulate way" involving mankind, or a considerable number of people, more then, only one time during the exodus...........to say that God will Today is, a disposition...............the issue is a controversy until this is resolved..............(MANKIND DOES NOT HAVE A "WILL TO LIVE", it is beneficial with god to curtail his actions, that is what is taking place..........the signs are there and the measurement is accurate)

(There were claims of a "1000 Year Kingdom", at different points in history, paralleling God's Resolution of the Son of Man's Testimony, this is Nothing New............this is the last generation, so things should be more expressive on the dead flesh issue.............we'll have to see very soon)

(God allowed suicide pleasure, for humanity, technically with David (God) with Daniel, with Jesus, and also with Moses (9/11/2001 Falling Man Moses).............at significant points of daniel's prophecy, in god's cyclical capacity............what that means is, God will curtail humanities right to be a witness) (The 1000 Year Kingdom Prophecy, and the "200,000,000" Prophecy, are not intended as measurements to mark the end of humanity, more then, activity associated with god's judgment or mercy.........in the controversy of mankind's dead flesh accusation of those removed genetic lines from the book of life, book of revelation)

("Time, Times, Half a Time"................The Three Measurements of "Seven" Years, yes, humanity will suffer, many will die, but unless humanity follows through in euthanasia of the dead flesh in a good measure.............then humanity will only understand its suffering and see its death..............it may not even make the tie to the earth rings/rainbow or not significantly..............that is the answer and accusation god has against using humanities generations, in what is profitable for the new universe, only some individuals from all of generations past)

(The Three Measurements of Seven Years............is NOT NEW, it is well documented, God answered that in finishing the written work...............you have those unclean people/genetic lines, in colleges and universities, and apart of suicide pleasure, is to completely remove the notion of an accusation of sin, or of an accusation of humanity with god in the gospel's tables of its dead flesh/dirth)

Everything is to be Resolved Soon (The Son of Man is not Payment for Humanities Sin, Not a Scapegoat, and Not the Messiah..........However the function of the son of man touches on those aspects for a reproof in the lord's name) (The Son of Man in the New Testament and his Family, you can see how suicide pleasure, state funded inc/rape/mur, contributes to their euthanasia, mankind is allowed to commit suicide with the son of man to a degree, and nothing more, the controversy is very soon resolved)

(Suicide Pleasure and God said that in the New Testament, like with Noah/Jonah or etc. would be the principal sign, man's suicide of itself in suicide pleasure with the son of man until god resolves the controversy)

(the answer is, OFF WORLD, we can see the "mark of the beast" and the blessings of god's mercies without controversy..............on earth is dead flesh controversy, and those genetic lines) (Everything is legal, valid, actionable, and there are plenty of signs, just not anything articulate in relation to planet earth)

 

[Jay Ross]

It was post #14.
I just asked a simple question, forget about the context of your teaching, it is strictly about the Parable of the Ten Virgins itself
>> What does the oil symbolically represent?
5 virgins did not have it. Everyone needs it to get into heaven. ???

Thank you for providing the context of what has been previously posted by myself in a discussion with another member.

I have no issue with the point that you are making concerning the understanding that the oil is symbolic of being filled with the Holy Spirit.

The problem we have today is the source of the spirit that people accept into their lives and within the church, considering the manifestations of that "spirit" within all of the churches during these present times.

 

[Jay Ross]

I am very familiar with that verse. John saw souls in heaven that have been decapitated for their faith, it did not mean all of them were. Many today are being murdered in Muslim countires like Sudan by decapitation - the world has turned a blind eye to it. That is and has been their final step. Islam has advanced through the centuries by forced conversions. They occupy a territory, pillage and plunder, rape, force you to convert, so the victims flee for their lives or stand execution. Thousands upon thousands have been killed this way. There are some 80 Islamic terrorist groups and they are active in a hundred countries. Since 9/11 we have thwarted thousands of terrorist attempts to do us harm.

Here are the verses in Revelation that speak of those who have been slain for their faith.

Revelation 6:9-11: - Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.​

And'

Revelation 20:4-6: - The Saints Reign with Christ 1000 Years
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.​

Yes you are right, many people have been slain for their faith, but of the Martyrs under the Altar, only those who had been beheaded, actually took part in the First Resurrection. The rest of the Martyrs, had to wait for a little longer "until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed."

I suspect that the Fifth Seal as recorded by John will occur in our near future, but the passage is silent as to when it will occur. However, I would suggest, that, only the beheaded saints are taken from the souls under the Altar to become Priests with Christ in Heaven during the Millennium Age.

You have belittled others in this thread. You can dish it out but can't take it? Telling someone they lack understanding and laughing at their responses is belittling them.
Examples:
"And yes it is hysterical that you do not adhere to a year for a day when it does not fit your thinking as well and have been sold a pup by Satan in his orchestration of the Maccabee revolt to mirror the 2,300 days instead of the 2,300 years"

Perhaps the context of how I had responded to the other member should be provided by seeing that I had quoted in the post, that you have referenced, that member had said that I was" hysterical," and I had responded in kind. However, in my "belittling of that member, I did not question the member's faith or whether or not that member was filled or otherwise with the Holy Spirit. That was what you have entered into with
your belittling of me, you have questioned my faith and whether or not I have been filled with the Holy Spirit.

Since we have never met except for our brief exchanges in various threads, what we both know about each other does not allow either of us to question the other's faith etc.

Shalom

 

[Jay Ross]

"To deny that God's earthly hosts have not been trampled since the time of the Maccabees is demonstrating your lack of understanding on this particular prophetic and as such raise questions about your ability to see how the end times is actually playing out"

Please be careful about your accusation of what I have posted. On the topic of the Gentiles trampling God's Sanctuary and his earthly Hosts, I am on record on this forum for stating that this has been going on from around 250 BC up and until this present time and that it will end when the kings of the earth are judged at Armageddon, and as Paul states in Romans 11:25-26, after the fullness with respect to time of this prophecy in Dan. 8, all of Israel will be saved. That is not the way Romans 11 is being translated now. It is now being translated as referring to the number of Gentiles that will come into the "Church," before Israel will be saved. However, this is contrary to what the scriptures state, when the gentiles will hold onto the sleeves of the Israelites so that they can lead them into God's presence.

I did make the point that Satan has sold us a pup by claiming that all of the prophecy was completed during the Maccabee revolt.

I get where you miscalculate the angels answer of time, time a and a half of time.
You misunderstand the questiin: : - "How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?
Your thinking is How long from now till then. That is not correct.
The question means how long will this Great Tribulation last. The answer is given several times in Revelation 3 1/2 years = 42 months, 1260 days, 1290 days, 1335 days

You seem to be in denial or stubborn to admit your mistake.

Can I quote your words back at you: - "You seem to be in denial or stubborn to admit your mistake."

The question that was answered by the times, times and a half" is "How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?", and that time period also encompasses the week of years as contained in Dan. 7:25.

After the Angel had answered the "man" on the river bank, Daniel asked another question about what the sign would be for the end of the Age.

Daniel 12:8-13: - 8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, "My lord, what shall be the end of these things?"

9 And he said, "Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.

11 "And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

13 "But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days."​

It is only in this portion of Daniel 12, quoted above, that speaks of the time of the fulfilment of Daniel 9:27 and that when this period of time is over, then the end will come and the judgement will begin.

This was the end of the matter for Daniel, and he finished recording all that he had been told and it is recorded in the Book of Daniel.

The issue that we have been debating is how we understand what will happen and when it will occur.

Even the scholars disagree on how the end times will play out.

I am secure in my relationship with God and what He has said will happen as the End Times unfold. The timespan from when Adam was created till the final judgement takes place can be determined from the scriptures for those who are diligent in their searching of the scriptures and can recognise the embedded sign posts and the time periods given within prophecy.

Yes, this might be found in the many writings of the scholars, but I trust the revelation of the Holy Spirit and what He has taught me so far, rather than the writings of the scholars who present their understanding in contrast or disagreement with the other scholars.

The final question is, "Where should we put our trust?"

Shalom

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Does Humanity have a Legal right to be a witness of anything, any work of God, right now the Answer is NO

Okay, I'll keep my eyes closed for the next couple of years.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Yes you are right, many people have been slain for their faith, but of the Martyrs under the Altar, only those who had been beheaded, actually took part in the First Resurrection. The rest of the Martyrs, had to wait for a little longer "until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed."

Martyrs are just a small portion of those who will be resurrected soon.
The resurrection chapters that are one and the same are 1 Cor. 15:52 and 1 Thes. 4:16, 17. Firstly, the dead in Christ are not all martyrs, never have been. But there is a difference in 1 Thes. 4:17; we who are alive will be resurrected (harpazo, caught up into heaven). No,chopping off heads beforw that event. Now go to Rev. 7:9, 10. Just prior to the Great Tribulation, the 144k witnesses are sealed, then John sees another vision: "After these things I looked and behold, a great multitude which no one can number (billions) of all nations, tribes peoples and tongues standing before the throne and before the Lamb clothed with white robes, with palm branchesin their hands; and crying with a loud voice, saying SALVATION belongs to our God who sits on the throne and to the Lamb."
I believe that is a combination of all Christians throughout history (dead in Christ) and all living Christians alive now (2.65 billion). Jump to Rev. 19:1 "And after these things I heard a great voice of people in heaven saying Alleluia SALVATION and glory and honour and power unto the Lord our God." Revelation is not entirely chronological, in some places yes but others are just different vantage points. I can also tell you that Rev. 11:15-19 is another vantage point describing our resurrection - the Temple in heaven is opened at this time, thanks and praising, kingdoms of the world becoming kingdom of God and then what happens?
The seven bowls if God's wrath are released upon the world filled with unbelievers. However, I suspect that the remnantJewish Christians, who according to Rom. 11 will be saved, may have missed the first ressurection, but are protected during this time of wrath. Why? Because I think since the rest if the Body of Christ has been resurrection, given new bodies, who will be left to repopulate the world? Our Jewish Christians brothers and sisters. I think they are tested. Much of this GT is about w wry nation attacking Jerusalem, they are center stage. That's it.
Oh, sorry about the questioning if you've been baptized by the Holy Spirit - some people aren't aware if they have been or not.

 

[Waiting on him]

You all have me very confused. Everyone keeps saying His second coming, though Scripture declares He’s already returned bodily, so are you all trying to say this future event would be His third coming?

 

[Jay Ross]

Oh, sorry about the questioning if you've been baptized by the Holy Spirit - some people aren't aware if they have been or not.

Thank you for your apology of questioning my faith and as to whether or not I have been filled with the HS.

That was the only part worth commenting on as the rest of your post was not based on what the actual scriptures teach and was in error.

Shalom

 

[n2thelight]

Have you put everything in place in their right order and on a timeline that places Christ's final return, e.g. His second coming, in the distant future, over 1,000 years from now.

I think you are suggesting a near future timeline for when Christ returns, i.e. His second coming, and this is a pined for desire which is completely unscriptural and does not comply with any reliable interpretation of the scriptures.

But far be it for me to say that you are wrong, when so many people believe as you do.

Shalom

Not understanding what your saying , as the parable of the fig tree gives you the generation . Are you against a near future return , me myself would call near future as within the next 50 years as per the parable above

 

[n2thelight]

You all have me very confused. Everyone keeps saying His second coming, though Scripture declares He’s already returned bodily, so are you all trying to say this future event would be His third coming?

There are only two advents of Christ in all of scripture ,both are below

Matthew 13:54-56 "And when He was come into His own country, He taught the in their synagogue insomuch that they were astonished, and said, "Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?" [54] "Is not This the the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary? and His brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon and Judas? [55] "And His sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then has this Man these things."

The prophet is without honor among his own. This was so true in Jesus case, for the people knew his family from their many years of worship with them, so now he comes back home to teach in the family church. So Jesus stood up in the synagogue and started to read from the Scriptures.

Luke 4:17 "And there was delivered unto Him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written,"

The book of Esaias is the book of Isaiah. They brough Jesus the scroll and Jesus opened it up and started to read.

Luke 4:18 " "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He hath anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent Me to heal the broken hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,"

Luke 4:19 "To preach the acceptable year of the Lord."

First notice that at the end of verse 19 there is a period, yet in Isaiah there is no period, but it continues on into the day of vengeance. This then is what is known as the "gap theory" to many, and it comes out of Isaiah 61:1, 2. Each of these items that is spoken of here deals with the salvation that Jesus brought in His first advent, living His live and preaching the gospel. Then when Jesus gets so far in the reading, He shuts the scroll and sits down. Lets review those verses.

Isaiah 61:1 "The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me; because the Lord hath anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the meek [humble]; He hath send Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;"

You can really bind yourself up in the ways of this world if you are not careful.

Isaiah 61:2 "To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that morn;"

The place where Jesus stopped was fulfilled at the time when Jesus read this Scripture. "The day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that morn;" will not happen until Jesus returns at the seventh trump.

Luke 4:20 "And He closed the book, and He gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on Him."

Luke 4:21 "And He began to say unto them, "This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."

Isaiah 61:3 "To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that He might be glorified."

From the last half of verse two and including this verse will not happen until Jesus returns at the seventh trump. When Jesus returns He will give vengeance to those that have did evil to His own, and He will comfort to all those that do mourn. This is the place in God's word where it documents two advents of our Lord to this earth. The first is when Jesus came as Savior to mankind. He did that when He went to the cross. While the second advent is this day of vengeance when Jesus will come with a rod of iron to make all things right. It will be the payday for all the evil and wickedness that has been done in this time of flesh man. No Jesus won't be riding in Jerusalem on the back of donkey, but on a heavenly white horse.