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See yourself a new person? Those aren't my words.

Much love!

Mark, for when you come back, you are correct. That was my wording. I was kinda paraphrasing from what you said, but I should have quoted you directly. What I was referring to was right here:
For me, my primary intention, my one big thing to do, is, remain settled in my mind that God loves me, and has redeemed me, He owns me, has forgiven me, the first and foremost and #1 thing, trust Him!

This is why I used the term "see yourself" in a certain way. But put this in your own terms. I think this is at the heart of the matter.

God bless, and always fun discussing the scriptures with you!
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No, God isn't a liar. You're just ignoring a LOT of Scripture.

John 15:6 (NKJV)
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

Correct, with "abide" meaning continue. :)
 
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No, God isn't a liar. You're just ignoring a LOT of Scripture.

John 15:6 (NKJV)
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
It is you who ignores scripture.

Yes, I read that passage you misrepresent as proof we can lose salvation.It does not say what you want it to say.

I believe you believe you are not secure in Christ and can lose your salvation.
That is a tragedy. However God does not teach that. Never did he teach that.

And for those reading here, it is vital you know this.
It is called Eternal Salvation.
This is by God's grace. It is a free irrevocable gift.

Pray for those who do not know this.

But do not ever ever let them lead you to believe we can lose our salvation. Jesus said you cannot, and he died to seal that promise.
Believe Jesus. Those who burn were never saved.

Read the article posted in my other reply here. Read the scriptures of Christ and his assurance.

Believe Jesus. Not those who do not know the truth that is eternal and irrevocable, meaning it is never taken back, cancelled out, or removed from you.

The false teaching that insists we can lose our salvation is grounded in works.

It is the false idea that we have to labor to remain saved, and as such as we work to be saved, we can also work to lose salvation and return to being damned and lost in our sins again.

Or, that we can do something that will lead God to remove his saving grace. Which would make it revocable. Something God assures you it is not.

Works salvation and its counter, works damnation, is not of God.
It's of the enemy of truth.
Trust Jesus! He said it and he died to guarantee it for eternity.

"And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him,” (John 8:29).
  • “This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day,” (John 6:39).


John 6:37 “All that the Father gives me will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will certainly not cast out.”


Scriptural proof that Christians cannot lose their salvation | carm.org
 
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It is you who ignores scripture.

Yes, I read that passage you misrepresent as proof we can lose salvation.It does not say what you want it to say.

I believe you believe you are not secure in Christ and can lose your salvation.
That is a tragedy. However God does not teach that. Never did he teach that.

And for those reading here, it is vital you know this.
It is called Eternal Salvation.
This is by God's grace. It is a free irrevocable gift.

Pray for those who do not know this.

But do not ever ever let them lead you to believe we can lose our salvation. Jesus said you cannot, and he died to seal that promise.
Believe Jesus. Those who burn were never saved.

Read the article posted in my other reply here. Read the scriptures of Christ and his assurance.

Believe Jesus. Not those who do not know the truth that is eternal and irrevocable, meaning it is never taken back, cancelled out, or removed from you.

The false teaching that insists we can lose our salvation is grounded in works.

It is the false idea that we have to labor to remain saved, and as such as we work to be saved, we can also work to lose salvation and return to being damned and lost in our sins again.

Or, that we can do something that will lead God to remove his saving grace. Which would make it revocable. Something God assures you it is not.

Works salvation and its counter, works damnation, is not of God.
It's of the enemy of truth.
Trust Jesus! He said it and he died to guarantee it for eternity.

"And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him,” (John 8:29).
  • “This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day,” (John 6:39).


John 6:37 “All that the Father gives me will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will certainly not cast out.”


Scriptural proof that Christians cannot lose their salvation | carm.org
Salvation is indeed eternal, unless you choose differently.

Written to Christians:
Romans 11:22 (NKJV)

22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
 
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Salvation is indeed eternal, unless you choose differently.

Written to Christians:
Romans 11:22 (NKJV)

22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
Rather than piecemeal extract individual scriptures to further a false teaching, learn to read the context of the whole message.

Your effort with verse 22 is revoked with verse 29.Salvation is the gift of God, and God's gifts are "irrevocable"

Everything Jesus teaches occurs when we come into faith would be revocable if we could lose our salvation.
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17)

(Edit. I had copied only a portion of this article and pasted that here. But the whole article committed instead to post. That's God! :) His truth shall not be overcome. Amen.)


QUESTION
Can a Christian lose salvation?

ANSWER

First, the term Christian must be defined. A “Christian” is not a person who has said a prayer or walked down an aisle or been raised in a Christian family. While each of these things can be a part of the Christian experience, they are not what makes a Christian. A Christian is a person who has fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior and therefore possesses the Holy Spirit (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8–9).



So, with this definition in mind, can a Christian lose salvation? It’s a crucially important question. Perhaps the best way to answer it is to examine what the Bible says occurs at salvation and to study what losing salvation would entail:

A Christian is a new creation. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17). A Christian is not simply an “improved” version of a person; a Christian is an entirely new creature. He is “in Christ.” For a Christian to lose salvation, the new creation would have to be destroyed.

A Christian is redeemed. “For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:18–19). The word redeemed refers to a purchase being made, a price being paid. We were purchased at the cost of Christ’s death. For a Christian to lose salvation, God Himself would have to revoke His purchase of the individual for whom He paid with the precious blood of Christ.

A Christian is justified. “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). To justify is to declare righteous. All those who receive Jesus as Savior are “declared righteous” by God. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and “un-declare” what He had previously declared. Those absolved of guilt would have to be tried again and found guilty. God would have to reverse the sentence handed down from the divine bench.

A Christian is promised eternal life. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). Eternal life is the promise of spending forever in heaven with God. God promises, “Believe and you will have eternal life.” For a Christian to lose salvation, eternal life would have to be redefined. The Christian is promised to live forever. Does eternal not mean “eternal”?

A Christian is marked by God and sealed by the Spirit. “You also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory” (Ephesians 1:13–14). At the moment of faith, the new Christian is marked and sealed with the Spirit, who was promised to act as a deposit to guarantee the heavenly inheritance. The end result is that God’s glory is praised. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to erase the mark, withdraw the Spirit, cancel the deposit, break His promise, revoke the guarantee, keep the inheritance, forego the praise, and lessen His glory.

A Christian is guaranteed glorification. “Those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified” (Romans 8:30). According to Romans 5:1, justification is ours at the moment of faith. According to Romans 8:30, glorification comes with justification. All those whom God justifies are promised to be glorified. This promise will be fulfilled when Christians receive their perfect resurrection bodies in heaven. If a Christian can lose salvation, then Romans 8:30 is in error, because God could not guarantee glorification for all those whom He predestines, calls, and justifies.

A Christian cannot lose salvation. Most, if not all, of what the Bible says happens to us when we receive Christ would be invalidated if salvation could be lost. Salvation is the gift of God, and God’s gifts are “irrevocable” (Romans 11:29). A Christian cannot be un-newly created. The redeemed cannot be unpurchased. Eternal life cannot be temporary. God cannot renege on His Word. Scripture says that God cannot lie (Titus 1:2).

Two common objections to the belief that a Christian cannot lose salvation concern these experiential issues: 1) What about Christians who live in a sinful, unrepentant lifestyle? 2) What about Christians who reject the faith and deny Christ? The problem with these objections is the assumption that everyone who calls himself a “Christian” has actually been born again. The Bible declares that a true Christian will not live a state of continual, unrepentant sin (1 John 3:6). The Bible also says that anyone who departs the faith is demonstrating that he was never truly a Christian (1 John 2:19). He may have been religious, he may have put on a good show, but he was never born again by the power of God. “By their fruit you will recognize them” (Matthew 7:16). The redeemed of God belong “to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God” (Romans 7:4).

Nothing can separate a child of God from the Father’s love (Romans 8:38–39). Nothing can remove a Christian from God’s hand (John 10:28–29). God guarantees eternal life and maintains the salvation He has given us. The Good Shepherd searches for the lost sheep, and, “when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home” (Luke 15:5–6). The lamb is found, and the Shepherd gladly bears the burden; our Lord takes full responsibility for bringing the lost one safely home."
Can a Christian lose salvation? | GotQuestions.org
 
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Rather than piecemeal extract individual scriptures to further a false teaching, learn to read them context of the whole message.
Your effort with verse 22 is revoked with verse 29.Salvation is the gift of God, and God's gifts are "irrevocable"

Everything Jesus teaches occurs when we come into faith would be revocable if we could lose our salvation.
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17)

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First, the term Christian must be defined. A “Christian” is not a person who has said a prayer or walked down an aisle or been raised in a Christian family. While each of these things can be a part of the Christian experience, they are not what makes a Christian. A Christian is a person who has fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior and therefore possesses the Holy Spirit (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8–9).



So, with this definition in mind, can a Christian lose salvation? It’s a crucially important question. Perhaps the best way to answer it is to examine what the Bible says occurs at salvation and to study what losing salvation would entail:

A Christian is a new creation. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17). A Christian is not simply an “improved” version of a person; a Christian is an entirely new creature. He is “in Christ.” For a Christian to lose salvation, the new creation would have to be destroyed.

A Christian is redeemed. “For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:18–19). The word redeemed refers to a purchase being made, a price being paid. We were purchased at the cost of Christ’s death. For a Christian to lose salvation, God Himself would have to revoke His purchase of the individual for whom He paid with the precious blood of Christ.

A Christian is justified. “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). To justify is to declare righteous. All those who receive Jesus as Savior are “declared righteous” by God. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and “un-declare” what He had previously declared. Those absolved of guilt would have to be tried again and found guilty. God would have to reverse the sentence handed down from the divine bench.

A Christian is promised eternal life. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). Eternal life is the promise of spending forever in heaven with God. God promises, “Believe and you will have eternal life.” For a Christian to lose salvation, eternal life would have to be redefined. The Christian is promised to live forever. Does eternal not mean “eternal”?

A Christian is marked by God and sealed by the Spirit. “You also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory” (Ephesians 1:13–14). At the moment of faith, the new Christian is marked and sealed with the Spirit, who was promised to act as a deposit to guarantee the heavenly inheritance. The end result is that God’s glory is praised. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to erase the mark, withdraw the Spirit, cancel the deposit, break His promise, revoke the guarantee, keep the inheritance, forego the praise, and lessen His glory.

A Christian is guaranteed glorification. “Those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified” (Romans 8:30). According to Romans 5:1, justification is ours at the moment of faith. According to Romans 8:30, glorification comes with justification. All those whom God justifies are promised to be glorified. This promise will be fulfilled when Christians receive their perfect resurrection bodies in heaven. If a Christian can lose salvation, then Romans 8:30 is in error, because God could not guarantee glorification for all those whom He predestines, calls, and justifies.

A Christian cannot lose salvation. Most, if not all, of what the Bible says happens to us when we receive Christ would be invalidated if salvation could be lost. Salvation is the gift of God, and God’s gifts are “irrevocable” (Romans 11:29). A Christian cannot be un-newly created. The redeemed cannot be unpurchased. Eternal life cannot be temporary. God cannot renege on His Word. Scripture says that God cannot lie (Titus 1:2).

Two common objections to the belief that a Christian cannot lose salvation concern these experiential issues: 1) What about Christians who live in a sinful, unrepentant lifestyle? 2) What about Christians who reject the faith and deny Christ? The problem with these objections is the assumption that everyone who calls himself a “Christian” has actually been born again. The Bible declares that a true Christian will not live a state of continual, unrepentant sin (1 John 3:6). The Bible also says that anyone who departs the faith is demonstrating that he was never truly a Christian (1 John 2:19). He may have been religious, he may have put on a good show, but he was never born again by the power of God. “By their fruit you will recognize them” (Matthew 7:16). The redeemed of God belong “to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God” (Romans 7:4).

Nothing can separate a child of God from the Father’s love (Romans 8:38–39). Nothing can remove a Christian from God’s hand (John 10:28–29). God guarantees eternal life and maintains the salvation He has given us. The Good Shepherd searches for the lost sheep, and, “when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home” (Luke 15:5–6). The lamb is found, and the Shepherd gladly bears the burden; our Lord takes full responsibility for bringing the lost one safely home."
Can a Christian lose salvation? | GotQuestions.org
Nice smokescreen, but I remember what God said.

Written to Christians:
Philippians 2:12 (NKJV)

12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
 

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Your words speak what is in your heart.
Amen!

Hebrews 6:4-6 (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Christians indeed!5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
Salvation is eternal.
Amen! For all who continue to believe and serve Jesus!
I accept you do not know nor live this.
Oh that's right, OSASers must start lying when they are losing.
You shall not take me with you.
You don't want to spend eternity with Jesus? Why do OSASers keep trying to send me to Hell? OSASers are the some of the most judgmental people on Earth!
 
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Selfish, never.
Zealous to rebuke purveyors of the lie that profiles itself as, Conditional Security, absolutely. And with God's blessing. :)

Dear and sisters and brothers in Christ. Do not accept the false teaching that is known as, Conditional Security. After all, you aren't secure if there are conditions to being secure.
"Conditional security” is a theological term used in reference to the salvation of believers in Jesus Christ. It describes the supposedly tentative quality of the Christian’s salvation. In other words, a Christian’s salvation is “conditionally secure.” This begs the question: upon what condition is the believer’s salvation secure? Proponents of conditional security assert that the salvation is conditional upon remaining faithful until the very end. To use an analogy the Bible uses, the athlete must finish the race in order to receive the prize. To support this view, those who adhere to the doctrine of conditional security would point to such biblical passages as the following: continues at link:What is conditional security? | GotQuestions.org


Further reading:
Can a Christian “give back” salvation? | GotQuestions.org
(No!:))



Is once saved, always saved biblical? | GotQuestions.org

Once a person is saved are they always saved? Yes, when people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their salvation as eternally secure. To be clear, salvation is more than saying a prayer or “making a decision” for Christ; salvation is a sovereign act of God whereby an unregenerate sinner is washed, renewed, and born again by the Holy Spirit (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). When salvation occurs, God gives the forgiven sinner a new heart and puts a new spirit within him (Ezekiel 36:26). The Spirit will cause the saved person to walk in obedience to God’s Word (Ezekiel 36:26–27; James 2:26). Numerous passages of Scripture declare the fact that, as an act of God, salvation is secure:

(a) Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed—he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.

(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns. We have both the advocate and judge as our Savior.

(c) Believers are born again (regenerated) when they believe (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). For a Christian to lose his salvation, he would have to be un-regenerated. The Bible gives no evidence that the new birth can be taken away.

(d) The Holy Spirit indwells all believers (John 14:17; Romans 8:9) and baptizes all believers into the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be "un-indwelt" and detached from the Body of Christ.

(e) John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all. Hence, if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.

(f) In a conclusive argument, Scripture says, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38–39). Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you. Once we are saved, we are always saved. Our salvation is most definitely eternally secure!
 

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Zealous to rebuke purveyors of the lie that profiles itself as, Conditional Security, absolutely. And with God's blessing. :)

Dear and sisters and brothers in Christ. Do not accept the false teaching that is known as, Conditional Security. After all, you aren't secure if there are conditions to being secure.
"Conditional security” is a theological term used in reference to the salvation of believers in Jesus Christ. It describes the supposedly tentative quality of the Christian’s salvation. In other words, a Christian’s salvation is “conditionally secure.” This begs the question: upon what condition is the believer’s salvation secure? Proponents of conditional security assert that the salvation is conditional upon remaining faithful until the very end. To use an analogy the Bible uses, the athlete must finish the race in order to receive the prize. To support this view, those who adhere to the doctrine of conditional security would point to such biblical passages as the following: continues at link:What is conditional security? | GotQuestions.org


Further reading:
Can a Christian “give back” salvation? | GotQuestions.org
(No!:))



Is once saved, always saved biblical? | GotQuestions.org

Once a person is saved are they always saved? Yes, when people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their salvation as eternally secure. To be clear, salvation is more than saying a prayer or “making a decision” for Christ; salvation is a sovereign act of God whereby an unregenerate sinner is washed, renewed, and born again by the Holy Spirit (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). When salvation occurs, God gives the forgiven sinner a new heart and puts a new spirit within him (Ezekiel 36:26). The Spirit will cause the saved person to walk in obedience to God’s Word (Ezekiel 36:26–27; James 2:26). Numerous passages of Scripture declare the fact that, as an act of God, salvation is secure:

(a) Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed—he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.

(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns. We have both the advocate and judge as our Savior.

(c) Believers are born again (regenerated) when they believe (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). For a Christian to lose his salvation, he would have to be un-regenerated. The Bible gives no evidence that the new birth can be taken away.

(d) The Holy Spirit indwells all believers (John 14:17; Romans 8:9) and baptizes all believers into the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be "un-indwelt" and detached from the Body of Christ.

(e) John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all. Hence, if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.

(f) In a conclusive argument, Scripture says, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38–39). Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you. Once we are saved, we are always saved. Our salvation is most definitely eternally secure!
Well gee, if you're right I can't lose. I believe in Jesus, God in the flesh, the Son of God, my Savior! I can NEVER be lost according to OSAS! What if you're wrong? I can see Satan's hand in the OSAS doctrine! Now go ahead and judge me as unsaved as OSASers MUST do to NON OSASers to convince themselves! What if people burn in Hell because you told them they can't be lost? You won't like Judgment Day with your hands covered with blood.

1 Corinthians 9:27 (NKJV)
27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

Paul wasn't saved?
 
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Eternal Irrevocable Salvation! Is a freedom hymn no chains can hold down, nor conditional false teaching mute.
Amen!

May those who are lost find their way to the truth. And join in the freedom hymn.:)
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God has given us eternal freedom!




:)Amen and Alleluia!
 

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I recall writing something about I think it was in the book of Romans when Paul was speaking about how we're saved by faith alone, and not by works, lest anyone can boast, that statement. To me, from the way he was writing in the whole book, he was talking about your old self, not Christ self, the old self works but the Christ self we're called on to do the works through Christ and that's how I sum up the whole thing. I forgot how I explained it before. I feel I possibly explained it better before but this is how I explain it now.
 
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Thank you for your contributions to thread.

If you did listen to the linked message in the OP, then you will know where I stand in relation to this subject, and will have been given good reason to believe that Everlasting life is a gift from God, which cannot be lost of forfeited: being a gift of pure, God given grace, which is totally unmerited. Christ’s death dealt with our sins, and the new nature we receive cannot be corrupted, or lost.

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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Amen. Salvation is by the grace of God a free irrevocable gift unto those he believed in before the foundation of the world. And haven written our names in his book of life before he created the world, we shall never perish. But shall have immortal life in him for ever.

God would have to undo all that is accomplished in making us a new creation in him that moment we believed, if we could do anything unbeknownst to Omniscience to lose our salvation.

Thankfully, there is no scripture that affirms that as possible.

For us to lose our salvation, God would need be a liar. And Jesus failed on the cross.

We can never lose what we did not labor to achieve.
God bless.:)
Amen. Salvation is by the grace of God a free irrevocable gift unto those he believed in before the foundation of the world. And haven written our names in his book of life before he created the world, we shall never perish. But shall have immortal life in him for ever.

God would have to undo all that is accomplished in making us a new creation in him that moment we believed, if we could do anything unbeknownst to Omniscience to lose our salvation.

Thankfully, there is no scripture that affirms that as possible.

For us to lose our salvation, God would need be a liar. And Jesus failed on the cross.

We can never lose what we did not labor to achieve.
God bless.:)

Your right in part. All names were written from the foundation of the world. But there is an error in your thinking. Christ said in revelation 3:5 “ he that overcomes I will not blot his name out of the book of life.” All names are written but the only ones that remain are those in Christ. You have understood in part only.
 

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It is you who ignores scripture.

Yes, I read that passage you misrepresent as proof we can lose salvation.It does not say what you want it to say.

I believe you believe you are not secure in Christ and can lose your salvation.
That is a tragedy. However God does not teach that. Never did he teach that.

And for those reading here, it is vital you know this.
It is called Eternal Salvation.
This is by God's grace. It is a free irrevocable gift.

Pray for those who do not know this.

But do not ever ever let them lead you to believe we can lose our salvation. Jesus said you cannot, and he died to seal that promise.
Believe Jesus. Those who burn were never saved.

Read the article posted in my other reply here. Read the scriptures of Christ and his assurance.

Believe Jesus. Not those who do not know the truth that is eternal and irrevocable, meaning it is never taken back, cancelled out, or removed from you.

The false teaching that insists we can lose our salvation is grounded in works.

It is the false idea that we have to labor to remain saved, and as such as we work to be saved, we can also work to lose salvation and return to being damned and lost in our sins again.

Or, that we can do something that will lead God to remove his saving grace. Which would make it revocable. Something God assures you it is not.

Works salvation and its counter, works damnation, is not of God.
It's of the enemy of truth.
Trust Jesus! He said it and he died to guarantee it for eternity.

"And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him,” (John 8:29).
  • “This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day,” (John 6:39).

John 6:37 “All that the Father gives me will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will certainly not cast out.”

Scriptural proof that Christians cannot lose their salvation | carm.org
Amen! Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door. ;)
 

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"Can salvation be lost"

Of course it can.

John 15:1-2 (NKJV)
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;
In John 15, Jesus mentions branches that bear no fruit and branches that bear fruit (vs. 2) but Jesus says nothing about branches that bear fruit but then later stop bearing fruit.

When Jesus spoke these words in John 15, how many people at that time, prior to Him being glorified, had received the Holy Spirit and were baptized by one Spirit into one body? - "the body of Christ?" (1 Corinthians 12:13) -- NONE.

John 7:38 - He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

So "in me" is part of the metaphor of the vine, (in the vine) and not in the body of Christ under the new covenant which was not yet fully established. Without that vital union with Christ, there can be no spiritual life and no productivity. Those who profess to know Christ but whose relationship to Him is self-attached, Christ neither saved them, nor sustains them. Eventually, the dead self-attached fruitless branches are cut off.

Greek scholar AT Robertson explains it very well - Two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit, the spiritual and vital which bears fruit). The fruitless (not bearing fruit, mh feron karpon) the vine-dresser "takes away" (airei) or prunes away. Probably (Bernard) Jesus here refers to Judas.

John 15:2 (KJV) - Robertson's Word Pictures (NT)
 
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Salvation is indeed eternal, unless you choose differently.

Written to Christians:
Romans 11:22 (NKJV)

22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
All the letters in the NT are written to Christians, but that does not mean everyone in the group who professes to be a Christian is a genuine Christian. The Jews were in the olive tree to begin with because they were the "natural branches" and not because they were all saved. Because of their unbelief and hard hearts God removed His gracious hand from them as a people overall and broke them off from His goodness (but only for a time after which they will be restored - Romans 11:24-26). We Gentiles have now been grafted into God's goodness and are the recipients of His blessings. Paul's warning is that we should not become arrogant because we might lose the goodness and blessings of God just like the Jews lost the goodness and blessings of God.

Professing Christians who are Gentiles are corporately in outward covenant with Christ so, it would appear that Romans 11 is speaking about the question of collective ecclesiology and not individual soteriology. I see the warning to this collective body, which is corporately joined to Christ and is in a covenant relationship, but how could this mean that every individual in it is in saving union with Christ? Hence the "cut off." Union with Christ applies to the elect, and only for the elect are, "the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable" (verse 29). But since non-elect covenant members are mixed in, Christ clearly appears to have non-elect branches, like Judas Iscariot (John 15:1-8) and while they may be joined outwardly in covenant with Christ, since they have professed faith in Jesus, the faith of some of them is spurious because they were never truly saved to begin with, even though they were among genuine believers.
 
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