Timtofly
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The church was glorified at the 5th and 6th Seal. Are you claiming these 144k were sealed during the 4th Seal?The door of the ark will not be shut until the 144,000 are sealed, and the 144,000 are identified in verse 9 (Revelation 7:9). Here's who the twelve tribes are:
1. The exile and scattering of the house of Israel - the 10 tribes - took place from circa 725 BC, and has continued since then, and since then, the descendants of the 10 tribes of the house of Israel who became scattered among the nations, have intermarried with Gentiles and have become amalgamated with the Gentile nations - to the point where it's impossible to find the genetic descendants of the house of Israel (the 10 tribes) and positively identify them anywhere among the nations anymore. They are a completely mixed multitude now.
The 10 tribes were frequently collectively called Ephraim in Old Testament prophetic scripture talking to and about them (for example Isaiah 7:8).
2. On his death-bed, Jacob told Joseph that the descendants of Ephraim - of the 10 northern tribes - would become the fullness of the Gentiles (as it's written in the Hebrew of Genesis 48:19). The only other place in the Bible where the term fullness of the Gentiles is found, is in Romans 11:25.
3. The prophecy Paul quoted in Romans 9:24-26 is from Hosea 1:9-10, and in its Old Testament biblical context, it's referring only to the house of Israel - the 10 tribes. It's not referring to the Jews (the house of Judah), and it's not referring to the Gentiles in its context. Paul quotes it, and includes Gentiles who believe in Jesus in it.
4. Paul again includes Gentiles who believe in Jesus in Israel in Romans 11:17.
The Gentiles who believe in Jesus are included into the 12 tribes of Israel, regardless of our genetic ancestry.
Revelation 15
8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from His authority. And no one was able to enter into the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.
Yes the 7th Seal opened the book and now names will start to disappear from the Lamb's book of life. The glorified church is safe. The 144k, separate from the church are safe. The 144k are not glorified. They are the sealed firstfruits of the Millennium kingdom. They are the camp of the saints in Revelation 20. We do not know if they find brides and have offspring.