The Bible never mentions anyone called "God the Son". Jesus didn't come down from heaven to become a man. He became flesh when God transformed him into human form, in the womb of Mary.
It's what you wrote!
Now you're saying that Melchisedec was Jacob's God! And it was Melchisedec (a man) in the form of a man! How did wrestling with a man, and neither winning or losing, teach Jacob obedience?
Genesis 32:28 (ESV):
(28) Then he said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with men, and have prevailed.”
There's no mention of being obedient there.
Agian, that's not Scriptural.
By rejecting God's Son, not believing him to be a person in his own right, you have been confused and deceived by Satan into believing a lie. Believe what God's word in the Bible says instead!
Hebrews 1:5-6
(5) For to which of the angels did God ever say, “
You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Or again, “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”?
(6) And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “
Let all God's angels worship him.”
1 John 5:20 (ESV):
(20) And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Jesus, the Son of God, has "given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true", that is God. Jesus said in prayer to God, John 17:3, "This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ". It is our Father, Yahweh, who is the "only true God", not Jesus!
The Bible never mentions anyone called "God the Son".
Ok. In the interests of strict Scriptural purity, I am corrected.
We have an understanding of the Son of God that is true and is the true God and eternal life.
Jesus didn't come down from heaven to become a man.
You'd do better not to contradict Scripture:
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
He was in heaven, He came down from heaven, He ascended into heaven, and He is in heaven
again, until He comes down
again to reign over this earth.
Don't bother with Greek to change plain Scripture, nor abolishing Scripture altogether. You can, but I ignore all such contrived feints into useless arguments.
He became flesh when God transformed him into human form, in the womb of Mary.
You'd also do better to not make up things without Scriptural proof. No Scripture speaks of God
'transforming Jesus into human form'.
He was transfigured on the mount temporarily into His future Spiritual body, that would be seen on Patmos by John.
And
'into human form' smacks of denying He came in the flesh, and was only the spirit in temporary human form. Which was true as Melchisedec three times, before He became a man
made of a woman in the flesh: Christ was not 'born of a woman', but was given birth by a woman to a body prepared for Him by the Spirit.
It's what you wrote!
Try quoting what was wrote, even as I do, and then responding to it with what you think it says. Which in the case cited was a ridiculous reading of what was wrote. We must adhere to strict discipline in responding to what others wrote, even as you rightly point out about speaking of Scripture.
Now you're saying that Melchisedec was Jacob's God! And it was Melchisedec (a man) in the form of a man!
True. Blows your created-christ mind, doesn't it.
The 'man' was no more mortal man, than the three 'men' standing by Abraham, who bowed himself to the ground calling one of them My Lord. He knew Him, because He had seen Him before: Melchisedec.
Christ was the Lord God on the mount, in which that covenant was made by and confirmed in Him. (Gal 3:17) He then came down from heaven to confirm the promises of it to His own people, and they recieved Him not and had Him crucified instead. And so, with the resurrection of Christ, He is now the risen God of Jacob, Who's body is called Israel on earth.
How did wrestling with a man, and neither winning or losing, teach Jacob obedience?
Stick to Scripture, and you may understand the teaching of how the true God
learned obedience in that He feared.
Jacob lost the match, when Melchisedec slapped him on the thigh, to let him know the wrestling was over. And the lesson was learned ever since by Jacob, who was then called Israel having power with God, because he learned to obey Him through faith, rather than try to wrestle with Him over his birthright inheritance of the saints. He was no more a trickster and trusting in his own abilities pertaining to the things of God.
Melchisedec being Christ in the form of a man is confirmed, therefore, in that after wrestling with Him all night, he was declared to have power with God, Whom he wrestled with in the form of a man all night: Melchisedec.
I know this stuff blows your mind, so that you can't see straight, even as you reject it out of hand. But I do like writing it, because it sounds so good, being truth of Scripture.
“Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with men, and have prevailed.” There's no mention of being obedient there.
Well, if you want to go OSAS and try to separate salvation of God from obedience to God, then you may do so. Though it certainly surprises me.
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered.
The same can certainly be said of all faithful saints from Abel to Noah to Abraham and Jacob. Especially when it is in context of the Son being Melchisedec that wrestled with Jacob, where by Jacob had power with God, when he submitted to Him after being slapped on the thigh: while yet hanging onto Him, he called to be blessed of Him.
God doesn't bless the unsubmitted and disobedient.
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
Jacob learned obedience by humbling himself before the Lord, who then exalted him with the blessing of being called Israel, who then learned to cast all his care upon Him, knowing that He cares for His people or promise.
And immediately following, God made the same promise to his seed, as He did to Abraham, who obeyed His voice. The promise was not made, until Jacob as Israel likewise obeyed Him in putting away the strange gods from his household.
"And so, God the Word, who was Melchizedek in form of a man" Again that's not Scriptural.
Again, it is to me, since there is no Scripture against it.
You have been confused and deceived by Satan into believing a lie.
I'll stick with the possible lie of Jesus being the risen God of Israel, in whom was confirmed the covenant at the mount, rather than the certain lie of a created christ, 'transformed' by God into human form, who was only with God in the beginning of His own creation, and yet wasn't really God, when Scripture says the Word was God.
Jesus, the Son of God, has "given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true": and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Clearly we are in Jesus Christ, which is the true God and the way, the truth, and the life: the eternal life. Which life He laid down by Himself at the cross, and took up again in the resurrection, in obedience to the commandment of the Father.
And since Jesus the Son is also the true God, then when He lift up His eyes to heaven
to speak to the Father in heaven, who was the only true God
remaining in heaven, while the true God and Son was on earth, having come down from heaven to be made of a woman.
The only time the Son prayed to the Father was in the garden with strong crying and tears, and was heard in that He feared.