I'm a non-Christian, where can I post?

[Ferris Bueller]

Edward, after drawing you out, I have simply exposed your true spiritual condition

I'm pretty sure all true Christians can see his religion for what it is.
The occult practices, the Eucharist teaching, and such can only appeal to unbelievers, IMO.
I don't believe there exists a true born again Christian who would honestly think the things he endorses are truly a part of a genuine relationship with God and they just didn't know it. Red flags are called red flags for a reason. They stand out. They are not subtle.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

We are the chosen and the elect.

Referring to one of your other posts, I would have never guessed that you would subscribe to a doctrine of election along the lines of Calvin's understanding of that.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I'm pretty sure all true Christians can see his religion for what it is.
The occult practices, the Eucharist teaching, and such can only appeal to unbelievers, IMO.
I don't believe there exists a true born again Christian who would honestly think the things he endorses are truly a part of a genuine relationship with God and they just didn't know it. Red flags are called red flags for a reason. They stand out. They are not subtle.

I used to think the same way, but like I said, things have shocked me. I've seen members here that I thought were otherwise solid in their knowledge of the word just swallow a mountain of junk that was pure false teaching, especially regarding heady topics like eschatology. But this is what makes the cults work, actually. There are just too many believers out there who are not well educated in one subject or another, and then someone comes along and takes advantage of them spiritually.

I'd like to believe you are right, but history has shown me otherwise, hate to say.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

My sin? So, wait, you want me to repent to you of my sin?

You brought this up in another post. Let's address this now.
Jesus was very interested in us being aware of other people's sin and calling it out:

"15If your brother sins against you,c go and confront him privately. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’d 17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector." Matthew 18:15-17
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There is no 'oh, just leave people alone' doctrine in Jesus' teachings.

And, again, I have to point out that the law of Moses was Jesus' teachings. And so this is what Jesus thinks about being concerned about other people's sin:

"Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt." Leviticus 19:17​

 

[stunnedbygrace]

That sounds very positive. People usually irritate me to no end. One of the dangers of Veridicanism is that it can lead people to feel elevated above others. After all, we are the Sons of God. We are in the royal court of the only King that has ever mattered. We are the chosen and the elect. But Jesus' teachings are very clear in the Last Supper account in the book of John. Very clear. No symbolism, no riddles, no parables. So, I have to work on that. I'm glad you seem to have cracked it!

I wouldn’t class that as a danger of verdicanism so much as a danger of being given gifts by God. It seems a bit like…how a two year old acts with all the NO, NO, MINE, MINE! I went through a stage where I thought myself very humble after meeting God and receiving many blessings when I was in NO WAY humble! I was a judge mental mess. It takes a hard, hard tumble to get some of your arrogance and pride knocked out of you…but thank God He sees to it!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I used to think the same way, but like I said, things have shocked me. I've seen members here that I thought were otherwise solid in their knowledge of the word just swallow a mountain of junk that was pure false teaching, especially regarding heady topics like eschatology. But this is what makes the cults work, actually. There are just too many believers out there who are not well educated in one subject or another, and then someone comes along and takes advantage of them spiritually.

I'd like to believe you are right, but history has shown me otherwise, hate to say.

Well, honestly, from the very start I thought this was not going to be about changing Edward. I mean, there's a slight chance a seed of truth might take root, but probably not (call me a pessimist, lol). My intention is to show others who may not be well grounded in the basics of Christianity that he's not being true to his own canon of scripture, the Gospels. And in that way expose the falseness of his beliefs to the unlearned. In the end, we'll see that his is not even a theology based on Jesus' teachings!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I finally finished the thread. I look forward to hearing what you have to say about Acts 5.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I finally finished the thread. I look forward to hearing what you have to say about Acts 5.

Hopefully, as a Christian, you are, ultimately, in this to refute his theology, not endorse it or support it in any way.
When he's right, he's right, I give him that. But ultimately, our duty is to refute the falseness in his teachings.
Surely, the occult practices should have shut you down immediately concerning the validity of Veridican theology.
And all the more as the errors of that theology get exposed right from it's own canon of scripture, the Gospels, as we discuss those errors and shine the light on them.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Well, honestly, from the very start I thought this was not going to be about changing Edward. I mean, there's a slight chance a seed of truth might take root, but probably not (call me a pessimist, lol). My intention is to show others who may not be well grounded in the basics of Christianity that he's not being true to his own canon of scripture, the Gospels. And in that way expose the falseness of his beliefs to the unlearned. In the end, we'll see that his is not even a theology based on Jesus' teachings!

I believe we would all be a little depressed if our objectives were to change others on the forums, LoL. I think the only real purpose is according to were it says, "There must be factions among you, that those approved by God may be made manifest." That, and strengthening yourself in the word in the course of debating others.

But expecting others to be strengthened? I think not, Lol. Only on rarer occasions, like when what you teach is closely aligned with the way someone else thinks, so your teachings serve as an advancement on theirs.

Other than that, you're a heretic, and on your way to Hell for sure, Lol.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Hopefully, as a Christian, you are, ultimately, in this to refute his theology, not endorse it or support it in any way.
When he's right, he's right, I give him that. But ultimately, our duty is to refute the falseness in his teachings.
Surely, the occult practices should have shut you down immediately concerning the validity of Veridican theology.
And all the more as the errors of that theology get exposed right from it's own canon of scripture, the Gospels, as we discuss those errors and shine the light on them.

I haven’t heard anything to refute yet.
I’m hoping he can ignore what needs to be ignored.
I mean, he used the phrase astral projection. But I don’t know what HE means by the phrase. I think I know what YOU think he means but I don’t know what HE means when he says it. All I know is the verse that came to my mind.

 

[Waiting on him]

Fine.

Allow me to say it now for the twentieth time. We don't cast the Bible aside. And the Word of God is Jesus Christ. Cuz if it ain't, you have a real problem with the Chinese translation of the Holy Bible. Just sayin...

I saw in an earlier post that you see Matthew 24 as being yet futuristic. Is this true?

 

[Waiting on him]

BUUUTTTT, we follow ONLY Jesus Christ as our teacher. So, when it comes to "authority," or what takes precedence. It is the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. And perhaps its symbolic: If our canon is only Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Revelation, Thomas, and the Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ. it reinforces that we are sole followers of Jesus Christ.

Jesus told his disciples not to go in the way of the Gentiles and that He’d only came to the lost of the house of Israel, I can’t understand how it is you state you can only use the gospels for doctrine.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I haven’t heard anything to refute yet.

Not even the simple fact that he only considers the Gospels as the definitive canon of inspired scripture?
You consider the whole Bible as the inspired word of God and don't reject any of it, right?

 

[DancesWithGnostics]

I'm stunned by stunnedbygrace saying she can't see anything to refute.

 

[Enoch111]

Well, honestly, from the very start I thought this was not going to be about changing Edward.

Why not let Edward feel free to post what he believes and simply show him from Scripture that his beliefs are either (a) sound or (b) nonsensical. We have a lot of nonsense being posted here anyhow and generally people hate giving up their foolish notions.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Not even the simple fact that he only considers the Gospels as the definitive canon of inspired scripture?
You consider the whole Bible as the inspired word of God and don't reject any of it, right?

mmm…there are some things I don’t consider scripture that others do. I actually just had that conversation earlier today somewhere in here, where a man seemed mad and frustrated over women being forbidden to speak in church so he hated Paul and said it shouldn’t be scripture. People get mad. They make certain decisions. They work it all out with Gods help. God will help them. I understand them and where they are. I’ve been there.

I mean, I don’t think “I give my opinion here” is Godbreathed. I don’t think “ I think I have the mind of Christ on this matter” is scripture. I think Paul would agree with me. I don’t think “have a little wine for your stomach” is Godbreathed.

But I wouldn’t get rid of Paul’s letters for anything.

 

[DancesWithGnostics]

Astral Projection is Astral Projection.

The Projection of the Astral Body by Muldoon and Carrington is a book explaining it.

Ferris said: Hopefully, as a Christian, you are, ultimately, in this to refute his theology, not endorse it or support it in any way.

Amen.

He came as a non-Christian, yet insinuating he really is a REAL Christian, condescendingly leaving "us unenlightened poor regular Christians" out in outer darkness.

I don't wonder that he got kicked off other Christian Forums.

Edward, I think your cheese has slid off your cracker.

 

[DancesWithGnostics]

Protestants have 66 books in our Bible - Catholic and Orthodox have a few more - the Tewahedo Christians have even more - some of which have not ever been translated into English.

But 4 Gospels plus Revelation, Thomas, Their own Gospel..

C'mon, Man!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I don’t think I saw condescension in the mans manner. And I know now what you think he means by the phrase astral projection but I still don’t know what HE means by the term.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Edward, I think your cheese has slid off your cracker.

Lol. It’s okay, the dogs deserve some crumbs right?