Does 10 Commandments Requires Stoning?

[Lifelong_sinner]

The unbelievers are condemned already.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The saved believer will be judged by what they built on that foundation and any works of the flesh be on it that defiles the temple of God, if they do not look to Him for help in departing from iniquity, then by that iniquity that denies Him, He will deny them, but he will finish His work in those left behind in burning off of that foundation all that offends so they will be partakers of His holiness, their physical bodies destroyed but their spirits is with the Lord still.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2 Timothy 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

This unrepentant church will be judged by their works with death when cast, as in left behind, into the coming great tribulation.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

In spite of being denied by Him to attend the marriage Supper in Heaven, He still abides for why their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven after they die when left behind.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

So let that terror be on the conscience of saved believers that they best look to Jesus Christ for help in laying aside every weight &sin daily thus walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son in abiding in Him & His words to be ready to go and willing to go when He comes as the Bridegroom or else be left behind as saved, but denied being partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection for not being ready at the rapture event.

OSAS doesnt work like that. If a person falls away from the faith after making a profession of faith, they were never saved to begin with. People on this forum love easy believism. Just because you claim to be saved doesnt mean you actually are. Also, there is a difference between a back slider and false convert.

 

[Christ4Me]

you are correct, anyone not of the elect will not get a free pass of their sins. If i died right now, i would goto hell.

If you had believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead, you are saved even if you do not believe you are saved yet.

Your thinking that its our choice is wrong however. No one chooses God unless He has called them first. Paul said no one seeks God on their own. This is because of our fallen nature. We as individuals have nothing to do with our salvation. It is all up to the Trinity. God calls, Jesus’ atonement, and the Holy Spirits sanctification process.

If the Father did not want to have saved you, you would never believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from teh dead.

as far as saying no one is better than others, that is how we are to see things, but you think abraham or paul arent seen as better than us by God? Also, if we are walking in the light, then we are of the elect. Good trees dont produce bad fruit. Bad trees dont produce good fruit.

1 Cornthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

Matthew 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Who are the least? Those who break the leats of His commandments and teaches others so are still in that kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The least can also include those who have gone astray because they are His sheep as saved.

Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

You just need to ask for His help to discern or detect what it is you are doing that hinders you in your walk with him because He is in you and is with you always and waiting for you to believe in Him as your Good Shepherd that He will help you to lay aside every weight & sin daily in following Him.

If you peruse the internet, you can come across stories of instant deliverance from addictive sins when sinners get saved but you will also find stories of deliveranace from sin's dominion by looking to Him daily in keeping them from their addictive sins.

That is what running that race is all about, living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ in living a life of repentance.

 

[GEN2REV]

you are correct, anyone not of the elect will not get a free pass of their sins. If i died right now, i would goto hell.
Your thinking that its our choice is wrong however. No one chooses God unless He has called them first. Paul said no one seeks God on their own. This is because of our fallen nature. We as individuals have nothing to do with our salvation. It is all up to the Trinity. God calls, Jesus’ atonement, and the Holy Spirits sanctification process.

as far as saying no one is better than others, that is how we are to see things, but you think abraham or paul arent seen as better than us by God? Also, if we are walking in the light, then we are of the elect. Good trees dont produce bad fruit. Bad trees dont produce good fruit.

Do the elect get a pass to sin right up to the point of their physical death?

 

[GEN2REV]

OSAS doesnt work like that. If a person falls away from the faith after making a profession of faith, they were never saved to begin with. People on this forum love easy believism. Just because you claim to be saved doesnt mean you actually are. Also, there is a difference between a back slider and false convert.

I was thinking your testimony was that you stopped a lot of your sins, but returned to them.

Isn't that what you were telling us?

So you were a false convert then? Or just haven't been actually saved yet?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Do the elect get a pass to sin right up to the point of their physical death?

no one gets a pass to sin, even the elect.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I was thinking your testimony was that you stopped a lot of your sins, but returned to them.

Isn't that what you were telling us?

So you were a false convert then? Or just haven't been actually saved yet?

yes, false convert. You are the first around here to understand that. Wow, im soooo glad you get it.

 

[Abigail]

How does that follow your own claimed beliefs, though?

You have stated many times that you do not believe you are saved and that you sin every day without the slightest conviction inside from the Holy Spirit.

How does that work?

How's that work? Aren't they telling us they're not Christian? Everything you've surmised they've stated in various posts here points to that. They don't believe they're saved. They sin every day without the slightest conviction inside from the Holy Spirit, which is Conscience.

That's everything Christians are not. Which explains their confession, which is also everything Christians are not. Life long sinners.

We can't discuss the Bible with someone who's telling us they don't follow the scriptures or know the Holy Spirit.

 

[GEN2REV]

yes, false convert. You are the first around here to understand that. Wow, im soooo glad you get it.

Hmmm.

The squirrels on my property are very active. Love peanuts in the shell. Some will take them right out of my hand.

What is the squirrel eating in your avatar pic?

 

[atpollard]

Yes, what you wrote was accurate, and it tells of a bloodthirsty people.

What are you talking about?
GOD gave them the penalty, Moses didn't make it up.
So what IS an appropriate penalty for willing apostasy when living in a THEOCRACY under the direct rule of God?
You might want to avoid the part of Revelations where Jesus deals with the people that revolt after living a thousand years under His personal rule.

 

[GEN2REV]

How's that work? Aren't they telling us they're not Christian? Everything you've surmised they've stated in various posts here points to that. They don't believe they're saved. They sin every day without the slightest conviction inside from the Holy Spirit, which is Conscience.

That's everything Christians are not. Which explains their confession, which is also everything Christians are not. Life long sinners.

We can't discuss the Bible with someone who's telling us they don't follow the scriptures or know the Holy Spirit.

Well, ... he claims to be Christian.

Expresses a zeal for Calvinism.

Believes God will save Him when He so chooses.

Doesn't line up with what I believe about how it all works, but .... what do I know?

If somebody admits all that he's admitted, who am I to say God won't possibly save him some day.

Look at Paul's backstory.

 

[GEN2REV]

What are you talking about?
GOD gave them the penalty, Moses didn't make it up.
So what IS an appropriate penalty for willing apostasy when living in a THEOCRACY under the direct rule of God?
You might want to avoid the part of Revelations where Jesus deals with the people that revolt after living a thousand years under His personal rule.

That's that one part that doesn't line up with any other part of the Bible; not even with the very book it's found in.

Go figure.

 

[Abigail]

Well, ... he claims to be Christian.

Expresses a zeal for Calvinism.

Believes God will save Him when He so chooses.

Doesn't line up with what I believe about how it all works, but .... what do I know?

If somebody admits all that he's admitted, who am I to say God won't possibly save him some day.

Look at Paul's backstory.

None of that makes any sense.

If someone is not saved they're not a Christian. They can't say they're a Christian and then insist God will save them when God chooses while that person continues to claim they are a Christian.

That's not even bad doctrine. That's mocking doctrine. And if they're claiming Calvinism to boot they're mocking Calvinists too.

I think we're being played.

And who are we to say? We're the church. It's our responsibility to not allow wolves to feast on the sheep. And Paul has not one iota of similarity to the life long sinner here.

 

[GEN2REV]

None of that makes any sense.

If someone is not saved they're not a Christian. They can't say they're a Christian and then insist God will save them when God chooses while that person continues to claim they are a Christian.

That's not even bad doctrine. That's mocking doctrine. And if they're claiming Calvinism to boot they're mocking Calvinists too.

I think we're being played.

And who are we to say? We're the church. It's our responsibility to not allow wolves to feast on the sheep. And Paul has not one iota of similarity to the life long sinner here.

I agree with you. Entirely.

Paul was a murderer of Christians, though. Don't forget.

But there are certainly a pack of wolves here on this forum, and all the other Christian Forums I have frequented over the years. I believe they're employed to be members and discredit Christianity in every way they can. Not necessarily employed by the Forum.

The term shill is actually what they are.

Is he one? I don't know. Could be.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

None of that makes any sense.

If someone is not saved they're not a Christian. They can't say they're a Christian and then insist God will save them when God chooses while that person continues to claim they are a Christian.

That's not even bad doctrine. That's mocking doctrine. And if they're claiming Calvinism to boot they're mocking Calvinists too.

I think we're being played.

And who are we to say? We're the church. It's our responsibility to not allow wolves to feast on the sheep. And Paul has not one iota of similarity to the life long sinner here.

i wish to correct you on a few things you may have missed. I never said i was a christian. On the contrary, you will find i tell people the opposite. Im not saved, i do believe in calvinism, and im not “playing” you.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I agree with you. Entirely.

Paul was a murderer of Christians, though. Don't forget.

But there are certainly a pack of wolves here on this forum, and all the other Christian Forums I have frequented over the years. I believe they're employed to be members and discredit Christianity in every way they can. Not necessarily employed by the Forum.

The term shill is actually what they are.

Is he one? I don't know. Could be.

shill, troll, been called them a lot. Doesnt bother me. Im most certainly not employed by this or any other forum, i doubt they could afford me. I most definitely do not discredit christianity, far from it.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Hmmm.

The squirrels on my property are very active. Love peanuts in the shell. Some will take them right out of my hand.

What is the squirrel eating in your avatar pic?

in that particular pic, she’s eating a Ritz cracker.

 

[GEN2REV]

i wish to correct you on a few things you may have missed. I never said i was a christian. On the contrary, you will find i tell people the opposite. Im not saved, i do believe in calvinism, and im not “playing” you.

You plainly identified yourself as a Christian in your personal info that's displayed under your name there.

If you're not a Christian, then you're lying and be deceptive to everyone you interact with here. Your name, alone, is an insult to those who love and follow Christ.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

You plainly identified yourself as a Christian in your personal info that's displayed under your name there.

If you're not a Christian, then you're lying and be deceptive to everyone you interact with here. Your name, alone, is an insult to those who love and follow Christ.

ok i will need some help here, when i click on my screen name, i do not see where it says im a christian. All i see is it says well known member.

How is this name an insult to the truth of everyone??? We are all sinners, and sin daily.

ok nevermind, i found it in the profile. Ok my apologies for that, i will change it.

 

[atpollard]

That's that one part that doesn't line up with any other part of the Bible; not even with the very book it's found in.

Go figure.

[John 3:16-21 ESV]

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God."
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[John 8:42-47 ESV]

Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God."​

[Rom 9:21-24 ESV]

Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory-- even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?​

There are two sides, two fates, two vessels ... each has a different Father and purpose and destiny.
Here is what the WRATH OF GOD looks like:

[Revelation 14:6-20 ESV]

Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people. And he said with a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come, and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water."
Another angel, a second, followed, saying, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who made all nations drink the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality."
And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name."
Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
And I heard a voice from heaven saying, "Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on." "Blessed indeed," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!"
Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and seated on the cloud one like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head, and a sharp sickle in his hand. And another angel came out of the temple, calling with a loud voice to him who sat on the cloud, "Put in your sickle, and reap, for the hour to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is fully ripe." So he who sat on the cloud swung his sickle across the earth, and the earth was reaped.
Then another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, the angel who has authority over the fire, and he called with a loud voice to the one who had the sharp sickle, "Put in your sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, for its grapes are ripe." So the angel swung his sickle across the earth and gathered the grape harvest of the earth and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood flowed from the winepress, as high as a horse's bridle, for 1,600 stadia.​

The OT God haters who were stoned got off easy. Their death served as a public notice that the God of Israel is a HOLY God.

As Joshua said: "Now therefore fear the LORD and serve him in sincerity and in faithfulness. Put away the gods that your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD. And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the LORD, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." [Joshua 24:14-15 ESV]

 

[atpollard]

ok i will need some help here, when i click on my screen name, i do not see where it says im a christian. All i see is it says well known member.

How is this name an insult to the truth of everyone??? We are all sinners, and sin daily.

Under "Faith:" you selected "Christian" and that is displayed with your name and picture.