NO christian church or scholar or theologian ever had the translation as being perfect, as they reserved that just towards the inspired originals!Then it's impossible even to dialogue meaningfully, when such is the assumption.
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NO christian church or scholar or theologian ever had the translation as being perfect, as they reserved that just towards the inspired originals!Then it's impossible even to dialogue meaningfully, when such is the assumption.
Yes, anyone can say he is right when he is wrong. God knows the difference. Can we fix and convince anyone else whose heart is pointed the wrong way? Only if we are on God's side and He is using us in that way.
The man who is really hearing from God knows the difference. What man among us is to judge another ultimately? All we can do is follow God truly ourselves and teach others likewise.
"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones." Prov 3:5-8
You said:Our carnal minds cannot accomplish God's right hand purpose for us or for others not even when we have the very best of Bibles as a source:
O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23
"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled" Matt 5:
There was NO need for any purification of the inspired books, as ALL of the 66 canon books were perfect when first penned down!
NO christian church or scholar or theologian ever had the translation as being perfect, as they reserved that just towards the inspired originals!
I have a perfect savior and Lord, and the Kjv, Nkjv, Nas, Esv, Niv ALL testify to Him!
Kjvo assumes that the Greek TR, and the Kjv are both inerrant and perfexct!
Why keep bringing up the same point repeatedly ad nauseam?
If you mean that the English corrects the Greek and Hebrew, this makes little sense.
I generally wonder the same in regards to you.
Blessings be unto you in the Lord.
So, it's okay for you to do it, but not others. So it's okay that God changed words and added words to the KJV, but when it comes to modern versions, they are now corrupt according to you.
Talk about your double standards!
That would be the originals!
The Psalm 12 quote in question refers to people, in context. Various commentaries will attest this.One possibility is that the English says exactly the same thing as the originals. But if you know anything about languages sometimes words can either be lost in translation or words can be added so as to say the same thing.
We know in the book of Jeremiah that God told Jeremiah to make another copy of Scripture when king Jehoiakim had burned the original manuscript (or Scripture).
Jeremiah 36:28 says:
“Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah hath burned.”
But something amazing happened. The copy was not an exact replica. God added words to the copy.
Jeremiah 36:32
“Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words.”
So God can edit His own Word when making a copy. It does not have to remain perfectly like the originals (if He so desires). So another possibility is that God may have slightly updated His words when He preserved them into the English. I am not diehard for whether God preserved the originals into English, or God slightly updated the originals with the English because we really cannot know that until the day we face God. What I do know is God preserved His words for us today based on what He says in Psalms 12:6-7.
This is why you see me so seldom involved in the discussions or debates or arguments here. I read and study my Bibles, which in English means for me the KJV. [I also read my Bible regularly in Spanish and German.]
You are not getting what I am saying.
Your original point was an appeal to God leading a man over what the Bible says because you said God will lead a person to figure out the correct interpretation even out of a poor translation.
Now, you are appealing to Scripture but it really does not connect in with your original point that God leads a person to find even a correct teaching within a poor translation. Proverbs 3:5-8 is simply telling us to trust in the Lord and not lean on our own understanding. How do we trust the Lord? Is it the Lord of our own imagination? Or is the Lord as described in Holy Scripture?
Psalms 119:42 says, “…I trust in thy word.”
How do you trust in His Word if it is corrupted?
The short answer is you cannot.
Also, what is the indications or qualifications that a person truly knows God? You really did not give an answer for this. Mormons believe in a burning of the bosom to confirm things spiritual.
We are told in Scripture:
“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” (1 John 4:1).
Not everyone preaches the same Jesus even.
“For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.” (2 Corinthians 11:4).
The qualifications in knowing the Lord is if we find we are keeping His commandments (See: 1 John 2:3).
The person who says they know the Lord and they don’t keep His commands is a liar and the truth is not in them (See 1 John 2:4).
How do we know about His commands if not by His Word (the Bible)?
Modern bibles actually change the commands of God and teach false doctrine (See post #458, post #459, post #460 for the list of changed doctrines; And see here for a list of commands changed in God’s Word).
Here we go again.
You are appealing to something outside of Scripture as your source and then you quote Scripture to back up what you think supports your belief when in reality it is not really saying what you want it to say. God’s thoughts are not our thoughts.
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.” (Isaiah 55:8).
You quote Jeremiah 10:23 in that God will direct a man’s steps. But you don’t realize that Psalms 119:133 says this:
“Order my steps in thy word: and let not any iniquity have dominion over me.” (Psalms 119:133).
It is says that we are to order our steps according to God’s Word.
They are words that are there but yet they are not there. Meaning the words in italics in the King James Bible are placed into italics to show the reader they are not a part of the original manuscripts that they worked off of but these words were added for the sentence to make any kind of sense because God is not the author of confusion. We see this elsewhere in Scripture of how God’s words are there and yet not there. I asked God for an example and He gave me Psalms 119:11. For you cannot see the words written on a person’s heart. Yet, those words are in the mind and seat of the emotions of that person who believes those words in Scripture. They are words that are there (in their heart and mind) and yet not there in the sense that you don’t actually see the words physically written in their inner being.
In short, the italicized words in the KJB are like words in brackets in the AMP Translation. They are merely added for clarity of the text.
God’s good ways be unto you in the Lord.
The Psalm 12 quote in question refers to people, in context. Various commentaries will attest this.
You completely missed the point of my post. I'm not talking about italicized words.
You have a double standard.
This is why you see me so seldom involved in the discussions or debates or arguments here. I read and study my Bibles, which in English means for me the KJV. [I also read my Bible regularly in Spanish and German.]
My communication with God however cannot be carnal alone. It must not be. Babies are allowed to babble and they are loved and helped to grow, learning to understand and to speak in a better way.
For me, as I see it, the Bible is an empty shell [like the dead unresurrected body of Jesus on the cross] without the quickening Spirit.
Satan tried to use quotations from the written scriptures to defeat Jesus. Of course, he failed. [Matt 4:1ff] The difference was not in the black and white written words, but in the power within the Word spoken by Jesus and the lack thereof in Satan. Satan quoted Psalm 91 and Jesus quoted Deut. 6. Atheists try to do that. Believers also do that at times using the logical conclusions of their carnal minds.
Both Paul and James warn us against double-mindedness. Where does one receive the power to overcome that if not from the Holy Spirit?
Not true. I already demonstrated that Modern bibles teach false doctrines, etcetera.
But your demonstration has no merit. Your statement that "Modern (capitalized?) bibles teach false doctrines, etcetera" is meaningless. Not only is this a false statement but you fail to give any examples of why you believe it.
If the olde King James translation is so perfect, why don't you read/write/speak in early 17th century Englyshe? Don't you want to be clearly understood?
You said:P.S. How is your unicorn doing?
God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn." Numbers 23:22 KJV