The soon coming rapture?

[Taken]

How do the very elect miss this rapture ?

The “elect” are Gods People “ISRAEL”....(Hebrews, Tribes, Israel, Jews, who in their own respect have generationally remained Faithful to God.)
We are well aware in these days, men have no issue with openly remaining Faithful to their Heritage/ a Race of People (Jews), but not all are particularly Faithful to God, (and a Few are Faithful to God AND Christ Jesus)....not called Christians. Are called Messianic Jews.

Those whom God gave to Jesus, were the Jews of any Tribe, who identified as a Jew, WHO were receptive to following, believing, committing to: Christ Jesus...ie “IN” Christ.

Thereafter Christ Jesus SENT “Saul/Jew, Paul/Gentile” (son of a mother Jew and father Gentile); to preach primarily to the Gentiles, (but also Jews), the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Those who become “IN” Christ, are “IN” Christ because they not only Believe, but Have made a Truthful, Heartful, VOW of their Belief, Expressly...TO Christ the Lord Jesus.
They ARE His People, and are NOT subject to the Wrath of God that shall come down from Heaven...

And to NOTE....The mild, least, effect of the beginning WRATH, during the beginning of the Tribulation is the WRATH of LAMB....Rev 6.
(It effects believers, unbelievers....FOR NOT making a Testimonial VOW to Him, of their True Heartful Belief IN HIM.)

So IF you ARE a Believer....and desire to MISS the RAPTURE...and instead desire to experience the Beginning portion of Wrath, during the Beginning portion of the Tribulation....(ie which IS the Lamb opening the SEALS, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ( increase one by one of the The Wrath of the Lamb) ...
Then MAKE NO TRUE HEARTFUL COMMITMENT TO Christ the Lord Jesus, and He WILL NOT be “IN” you, and you WILL NOT be “IN” Him.

The ELECT of God (Jews) all have their own freewill choices as well.
(WHEN Jesus was ON Earth, His FIRST followers (the 12) were JEWS,
11 chose to become “IN” Christ, others after them chose the same.
THEY, and Many Gentiles, and a few in this day, Messianic Jews, are INCLUDED, IN Christ, already have received their Assured Salvation, and wait to be Lifted up off the face of the Earth, WHILE others suffer Wrath, make their choices....and the earth becomes destroyed...BY FIRE.....thereafter, Renewed.

The ELECT of God, during the Trib., are, SENT Prophets, Teachers, Witnesses....FROM GOD...to Gods Elect...FOR their Benefit to HEAR from their own race (Hebrews, Tribesmen, Jews)...that they (remaining Jews scattered to the 4 corners of the Earth) might Believe, be Killed, dying IN FAITH, thus saved, (soul goes to Heaven) and Bodily RAISED UP in Glory, by God....First resurrection, After 1,000 yrs reign.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Seriously, I like the facts. Doesn’t matter if you do.
LOL “ Resorting” to Scriptural Facts...must be disturbing for ya.
Don’t be lazy...
You go search the scriptures and see if what I say is true.

The pre-trib rapture theory is definitely not true no matter how hard you try to twist scripture to fit it. You're not able to show where scripture actually teaches it, so you have to resort to strange things like acting as if what name or title is used to refer to Jesus determines which event a given verse is talking about.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

You can walk around in the Church has replaced Israel blindness if you want. I'm just showing you the FACTS. Part of Israel cannot see until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. That will occur when the SECRET PRETRIBULATION RAPTURE occurs.

You asked for a rapture in scripture and I showed it to you. If you don't have eyes to see, that's another matter.

Secret pre-trib rapture? Scripture teaches no such thing. What would be secret about millions of people around the world disappearing, anyway? Where does scripture talk about the complete mayhem that would result from an event like that? Nowhere. If something as significant as that was going to occur, it would be written about in scripture. But, it's not.

 

[bbyrd009]

find the real “rapture,” in Songs, imo, and let harpazo take care of itself

 

[Taken]

The pre-trib rapture theory is definitely not true

Your rejection, is simply a reflection on you.
It has zero effect on me, and others who are Wise “IN” Christ.
(1 Cor 1:24 - Gal 6:5)

no matter how hard you try to twist scripture to fit it.

Your false accusations are FALSE.
Israel was given a covenant of Circumcision.
The men forfeited their foreskin dead flesh, in agreement with that Covenant.
And their reward after the death of their flesh body, God would circumcise their Heart, and Save their soul, and they wait in comfort with God, for their body’s to be risen in Glory, to be forever with their God.
(Gen 17:11 - Deut. 30:6 - Rom 2: 28/29)

Israel Jews, then All Tribes, then Gentiles, were given a new Covenant.
(Matt 26:28)

You're not able to show where scripture actually teaches it,

You require a toddler billeted point by point, get a toddle Bible.
You an adult, can read, open your Bible.
Scripture teaches the Knowledge. Individuals have freewill, to hear, to read, to believe, to be with God, (and hope they can endure keeping their belief/ faith...or fall away);
to be IN Christ Jesus and Forever Assured with the Lord God Almighty. (Never without God, Not subject to Wrath from Heaven)
Heb 7:22
1 Thes 1:10
1 Thes 5:9
John 6:51
Heb 10:14

Pss 51:13 - Isa 1:27 - Matt 13:15 - Mark 4:12- Acts 3:19

so you have to resort to strange things like acting as if what name or title is used to refer to Jesus determines which event a given verse is talking about.

Unwise carnal minds have nothing compared to Spiritual Understanding.

A child’s father may be a surgeon, and the father’s title Doctor, but that title is reserved for others to call him, not his child. And the title Daddy is reserved for the child to call him, not his patients and co-workers.

Nothing strange about Names, Titles, Descriptions to identify what ONE is doing, and WHO it applies to....Not strange in Scripture and Not strange secularly.

I do not know you, nor am impressed with your attempt to supersede your opinions as facts over others beliefs, WHO ARE Sanctified IN Christ.
No one can hear, read, study or understand For you.
That is your option to do or not.

 

[Cross8527]

There has been division since the beginning.
The Whole of Scripture is True.

Dividing the Word of Truth is individuals Hearing, Reading, Deciding, which Truth of God “they desire” will “apply” to them, “then DO”, what according to Gods WAY, will Effect/Cause, according to the individuals FREEWILL, that a particular passage of Gods Truth, SHALL apply to them.

Some shall:
Believe in God, Commit to God, believe in a god, or not.
Believe in Jesus, Commit to Jesus, or not.
Believe in the Messiah, Believe it is Christ, Believe it is Jesus, Commit , or not.

Some shall:
Believe in celestial spirits, evil spirits, planets, sun, moon, OTHER PERSONS, etc., as their god, or not.
Believe in crafted statues, trinkets, idols, etc., as their god, or not.

Facts Are: Scripture reveals the Knowledge OF specific things MEN shall choose to Believe, Commit, of Not.
And: Exactly “what shall Apply to them”, Because of their Freewill choice;
Believe, Disbelief, Commitment, Non-Commitment.

It matters Not, what individuals “call” their religion, their denomination, their doctrines....what “they say” and what “they do”, is a “reflection”, of what they have freely chosen.

Bottom Line IS:
Individuals Divide themselves, and God Shall “separate” the Divided, according TO His Order and Way;
* “With” (BELIEVING) in Him,
* “In” COMMITTED) in Him.
* “Without” (BELIEVING) in Him.
* “Without” (COMMITTED) in Him.
**AND ~ A “particular” separation and consequence FOR those WHO:
* Expressly Preached AGAINST Believing in the Lord God Almighty.
* Expressly Persecuted Others, FOR their Belief in God, the Lord, the Almighty.

Bottom Line IS:
SOON, is relative to the individual. Persons are naturally born, live, die.
What is SOON, “their END”, for one person may be 1 year, or 90 years for an other.

* God has already DECIDED, when enough IS enough.
* Mankind has ready available Knowledge, can Observe what the World of men are choosing, doing, Preparing, or not.
* Yes...Some men ARE Disappointed, Angry, at what THEY Observe in this World.
* Yes...Some men ARE Elated, Happy, at what THEY Observe in this World.
* Yes...God IS Elated what A FEW, in this World are Choosing.
* Yes...God IS Disappointed, Jealous, ANGRY, what He Observes in this World.

Pryor to Noah, we discover, Gods Anger...mild, waxing, increasing...HOT
As in the days of Noah~ (Gods First Great Tribulation)
* Gods Anger waxed Hot, to Destroy the Earth (dry Land), with water.
* Saving ONLY A FEW (8 Persons), BY rising them UP Above the Face of the earth.

Gods Anger is mild, waxing, increasing....AND as Prophecy Reveals....Once Again and for the LAST TIME...God SHALL:
* SAVE a FEW, By rising them UP Above the Face of the earth.
^ RAPTURE^
* SAVE Some, During the Tribulation.
* Destroy Many, During the Tribulation.
* A Remnant of Mortals, occupy the earth, 1,000 years, living, dying, establishing Nations, while Jesus Occupy’s His Throne, in His Kingdom (ie the Land Promised Abraham’s heirs), with His Servants.
1,000 yrs VOID of Satan and Evil Demonic spirits.
* During 1,000 years, again Mortals Divide themselves.
* End of 1,000 years, Gods FINAL Separation of:
Men with and without Him.
Spirit with and without Him.
* Final Destruction of the Earth, with FIRE, and a RENEWED Heaven and Earth ajoined as One Holy Kingdom of the Lord God Almighty and His People forever together in Peace and Harmony.

So
Yes, there is a Rapture, Only for Some.
Yes, there is a Tribulation that comes down from Heaven.
Yes, Some will Experience a portion (mild) of the Tribulation.
Yes, Some will Experience a portion (increase) of the Tribulation.
Yes, Some will Experience a portion (hot) of the Tribulation.
Yes, Some will Experience Gods VENGEANCE for their part in Persecuting People Believing and Committing TO God.

So effectively, What Scripture Reveals SHALL apply to Individuals, BECAUSE of their Beliefs, SHALL Apply.
And we certainly DO see a wide Range of what People declare IS their Belief.

Glory to God,
Taken

Yes sadly scripture will say what we want it to say what we believe will be what our eyes see, this is why it is so important to have the heart of a student when studying scripture and to go into it with a clean slate no preconcieved beliefs or views in mind. If one already assumes for instance that the pre trib rapture is the truth but in relaty the mid is the truth and this is merely an example by the way then the pre trib rapture is what they will see in scripture not the mid trib. To see and know the truth we have to be willing to admit we could be wrong which is not easy to do one has to be willing to say to ones self maybe my doctrine my belief my years of study might have been off.

As far as how relative soon is this is why i don't like that word because what i am hearing and feeling from doesn't feel like a relative kind of soon it feels like a at our door kind of soon like we really need to start paying attention kind of thing.

However even more than the rapture itself I believe the tribulation is at hand and the marker for the rapture no matter what side of the spectrum your on is going to be the tribulation i mean seven years isn't that long in the long run.

 

[Taken]

@Truth7t7 They Can’t show....

It would help immensely if you had ears to hear and eyes to see.

Bingo!

The knowledge is IN Scripture. The Understanding according to God, comes from God. Christ Jesus IN a man IS the (Word, Truth, Power, Wisdom, Seed Spirit of God.)

There is an ORDER:
Here/Read and receive measures of Gods gift of Faith.
Continue, Increase.
Continue, Belief.
Continue, God shall be WITH you. (Leave Him, Gods shall Leave you.)
Commit, Christ Jesus shall be IN you,
...AND God shall be WITH you FOREVER.
Continue hearing, reading, verifying, God shall give you His Understanding.

Poor at hearing, poor at reading, poor at seeking, Speak against Gods TRUTH, faulter at trusting and understanding.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Yes sadly scripture will say what we want it to say what we believe will be what our eyes see, this is why it is so important to have the heart of a student when studying scripture and to go into it with a clean slate no preconcieved beliefs or views in mind. If one already assumes for instance that the pre trib rapture is the truth but in relaty the mid is the truth and this is merely an example by the way then the pre trib rapture is what they will see in scripture not the mid trib. To see and know the truth we have to be willing to admit we could be wrong which is not easy to do one has to be willing to say to ones self maybe my doctrine my belief my years of study might have been off.

As far as how relative soon is this is why i don't like that word because what i am hearing and feeling from doesn't feel like a relative kind of soon it feels like a at our door kind of soon like we really need to start paying attention kind of thing.

However even more than the rapture itself I believe the tribulation is at hand and the marker for the rapture no matter what side of the spectrum your on is going to be the tribulation i mean seven years isn't that long in the long run.

I never remember not believing. Was not raised in a Church but did decided to wipe the slate, although it was pretty clean and uncluttered.
Made a study plan with spouse, kids & friends sometimes and for 5 years daily, 8, 10+ hours a day, read, studied, made charts, notes, particular words searches and applications, multiple Bibles, discussions.
Am confident in my Beliefs, Know what are my Beliefs and why.

I do believe Salvation is Offered, but must be received before Effective.
I do believe Receipt of Salvation is NOT given until a bodily death occurs. (Ie Once Saved, is a final status and Kept by the Power of God...ie OSAS...)
...(men and women PRACTICE being joined, ie marriages. And in today’s society acceptable standards, are Flippant. Adjoining WITH God, ie Converted IN Christ, IS Permanent. Yes be Yes. No be No.).
* A bodily death (strange because the body is still living) crucified with Jesus, is the crux of the New Covenant. Devised by God, Acceptable by God, and is HOW a man can be “secularly bodily” alive, yet Spiritually having Died, fulfilling the ONE requirement, all must die once.
Once Dead, Receipt of Salvation effected. They Are Prepared for ANY moment (we know not when), the wrath of God shall come down from Heaven upon the World, for any who have not Committed to Him.

Tribulation, (Wrath of God coming down from Heaven upon the unrighteous....who DID NOT the WILL of God....which for 2,000 years, Gods WILL has been, Believe IN God and Believe IN the One God Sent.)

Rapture is a term that ONLY Applies to those IN Christ.
People bodily Dying, in Belief, (but not Converted), their body’s still waiting. Their soul and spirit having risen to Heaven....
That will continue through...the Seals, the Trumps portions of the Trib. (Their body’s shall die, Be risen in 1st Resurrection, aft. 1,000 yr.)
The Vials...IS Only for those remaining Against God...No belief in God, and as well those who Take the Mark of the Beast, they have committed their allegiance to Satan.
(Their body’s shall, Be risen in 2nd Resurrection)

SOON? Yes, individually for some....concerning the World at large, Most of the signs leading up to the Tribulation have come to pass, and at lightening speed, evil and wickedness is plotting and concocting unthinkable horrendous things.
Have even heard of a plan for a “new universal sky god”! to speak in every language and tongue, to be compelled for people to listen to...a satellite, pre-programmed computer!! No big step the way people love their electronics!

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Secret pre-trib rapture? Scripture teaches no such thing. What would be secret about millions of people around the world disappearing, anyway? Where does scripture talk about the complete mayhem that would result from an event like that? Nowhere. If something as significant as that was going to occur, it would be written about in scripture. But, it's not.

If it were Secret, odd it is so openly spoken of.
But then, those who call it Secret, neither believe or understand it.

 

[Cross8527]

I never remember not believing. Was not raised in a Church but did decided to wipe the slate, although it was pretty clean and uncluttered.
Made a study plan with spouse, kids & friends sometimes and for 5 years daily, 8, 10+ hours a day, read, studied, made charts, notes, particular words searches and applications, multiple Bibles, discussions.
Am confident in my Beliefs, Know what are my Beliefs and why.

I do believe Salvation is Offered, but must be received before Effective.
I do believe Receipt of Salvation is NOT given until a bodily death occurs. (Ie Once Saved, is a final status and Kept by the Power of God...ie OSAS...)
...(men and women PRACTICE being joined, ie marriages. And in today’s society acceptable standards, are Flippant. Adjoining WITH God, ie Converted IN Christ, IS Permanent. Yes be Yes. No be No.).
* A bodily death (strange because the body is still living) crucified with Jesus, is the crux of the New Covenant. Devised by God, Acceptable by God, and is HOW a man can be “secularly bodily” alive, yet Spiritually having Died, fulfilling the ONE requirement, all must die once.
Once Dead, Receipt of Salvation effected. They Are Prepared for ANY moment (we know not when), the wrath of God shall come down from Heaven upon the World, for any who have not Committed to Him.

Tribulation, (Wrath of God coming down from Heaven upon the unrighteous....who DID NOT the WILL of God....which for 2,000 years, Gods WILL has been, Believe IN God and Believe IN the One God Sent.)

Rapture is a term that ONLY Applies to those IN Christ.
People bodily Dying, in Belief, (but not Converted), their body’s still waiting. Their soul and spirit having risen to Heaven....
That will continue through...the Seals, the Trumps portions of the Trib. (Their body’s shall die, Be risen in 1st Resurrection, aft. 1,000 yr.)
The Vials...IS Only for those remaining Against God...No belief in God, and as well those who Take the Mark of the Beast, they have committed their allegiance to Satan.
(Their body’s shall, Be risen in 2nd Resurrection)

SOON? Yes, individually for some....concerning the World at large, Most of the signs leading up to the Tribulation have come to pass, and at lightening speed, evil and wickedness is plotting and concocting unthinkable horrendous things.
Have even heard of a plan for a “new universal sky god”! to speak in every language and tongue, to be compelled for people to listen to...a satellite, pre-programmed computer!! No big step the way people love their electronics!

God Bless,
Taken

Well the going into it with a clean slate and without our preset beliefs and understanding is really for those who need to learn how to learn. We need to ask ourseleves a very honest and important question and ask and answer it honestly, is it possible i could be wrong and if i am would i be able to accept it? Just from reading your words i sense the heart of a true student of the word from you I can tell you savor the word and have the ability to be taught and learn perhaps you even are one of those people merely because of this fact are qualified to teach the word not because you have the gift of it as i don't know if you do or not but simply because you have the heart of a student as any true teacher has the heart of a student first and a teacher second.
I am also impressed by your understanding you seem to have a pretty good understanding of how this is all going to go down

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Soon yes very soon into the warm embrace of his arms at long last.... this is what my heart tells me, i have no poof of it no evidence of it no real reason to believe it other than this warmth inside me when i think of finally running into his arms and the words soon very soon echo inside me.

TO me, the end of the age for Born Again Christians (I.e. the Rapture), is still a bit off, based on the suggestion that there will finally be a MATURE VISIBLE CHURCH (Eph 4:10-16), instead of the fragmented, and scattered mess we have in 2022. That "mature church is something I don't even see on the radar, but I also know God CAN bring things together VERY QUICKLY when He's ready. Since I'm Assembly of God, and since they're "Pre" folks, that would be my "Knee-jerk" opinion also. However "Eschatology", to me is just another word of "Rank Speculation".

I think it's likely that the CHURCH in it's MATURE state, will sense the time, and pray "even so COME Lord Jesus" as it happens.

 

[Taken]

Well the going into it with a clean slate and without our preset beliefs and understanding is really for those who need to learn how to learn.

SPOT ON! Before my spouse and I decided to do the Bible study, we had decided to study, Primarily Fed Law, Fed Bills, Fed slip laws, US Constitution, Federalist Essays...SHOCK. Regrouped, and Yes, spent months, learning How to learn. Thereafter made many trips to the Law Library, sifting, copying, bought a few law books for our own convenience. Have numerous times bought Manuel’s the Public Servants use in how to’s they deal with the public, very enlightening and not in a good way. Haven’t for some time, but use to order Govt reports from their “little caucus” and “steering” committee meetings, also not good, what they do.
It was a perfect prelude for studying Scripture.
(Before Bible/Law, my youngest child was born profoundly deaf, and spent nearly 10 years daily, teaching her to speak, drawing pictures of tongue, teeth, lips, mouth, for her to learn how to form sounds, then words. She speaks like a hearing person, loves to read, speed reader, Our local library allowed her to take 13 books every week. Also a phenomenal typist, and excellent at grammar/spelling. My personal papers corrector. Lol I knot da gudest Speler, and post from my phone, so do make spelling errors, eh!

So amen, learn how to learn.

We need to ask ourseleves a very honest and important question and ask and answer it honestly, is it possible i could be wrong and if i am would i be able to accept it? Just from reading your words i sense the heart of a true student of the word from you I can tell you savor the word and have the ability to be taught and learn perhaps you even are one of those people merely because of this fact are qualified to teach the word not because you have the gift of it as i don't know if you do or not but simply because you have the heart of a student as any true teacher has the heart of a student first and a teacher second.
I am also impressed by your understanding you seem to have a pretty good understanding of how this is all going to go down

When I first learned Gods is the source of His Understanding, coupled with ask and you shall receive. I would read, read, read, reread, then...
Ask God for His Understanding, still do, almost to a fault, oh you again!


Thanks for the conversation,
God Bless you abundantly,
Taken

 

[The Light]

find the real “rapture,” in Songs, imo, and let harpazo take care of itself

I absolutely, totally agree with your astute opinion. We should find the real rapture in Songs.

Song of Solomon 2
8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

9 My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.

10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.

11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;

12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;

13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.

14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.

Nice call. If you are looking for the secret pretribulation, look in songs.

 

[The Light]

If it were Secret, odd it is so openly spoken of.
But then, those who call it Secret, neither believe or understand it.

Not true. I believe there will be a secret pretribulation rapture, and it will be a secret rapture.

Do you think that Satan has spent so much time explaining away people disappearing because it is not going to happen? All the alien abductions. Aliens are a load of manure that the elite will use to explain the rapture. Have you seen the Avengers? All the people just disintegrating into dust. All for a reason. When the secret pretribulation rapture happens, the lie is already in place to explain it away.

Enterprise energize. Scotty, Scotty energize. POOF.....

 

[The Light]

The pre-trib rapture theory is definitely not true

Whoa. Hold your horses on that. It is definitely true.

no matter how hard you try to twist scripture to fit it.

I have never seen the need to twist scripture, and am not aware of such. Would you please produce just one example of someone twisting scripture to prove the pretribulation rapture? All I need is ONE example of someone twisting scripture so I can understand what you are talking about.

You're not able to show where scripture actually teaches it,

We know Jesus is coming immediately AFTER the tribulation. Pretty simple. An yet why does He say:
Matt 24
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

so you have to resort to strange things like acting as if what name or title is used to refer to Jesus determines which event a given verse is talking about.

Not sure what you are saying. Could you be a bit more specific?

 

[Cross8527]

TO me, the end of the age for Born Again Christians (I.e. the Rapture), is still a bit off, based on the suggestion that there will finally be a MATURE VISIBLE CHURCH (Eph 4:10-16), instead of the fragmented, and scattered mess we have in 2022. That "mature church is something I don't even see on the radar, but I also know God CAN bring things together VERY QUICKLY when He's ready. Since I'm Assembly of God, and since they're "Pre" folks, that would be my "Knee-jerk" opinion also. However "Eschatology", to me is just another word of "Rank Speculation".

I think it's likely that the CHURCH in it's MATURE state, will sense the time, and pray "even so COME Lord Jesus" as it happens.

I don't know about the whole mature church thing but I think while it is soon it is also still a bit off as well. Many are expecting it to be this year I cannot say if it will be this year or not but I think it is a little ways off still yet close enough that we need to pay attention. I also think that the church will sense it when it is about to happen as in every rapture dream i have ever had there was a sense of knowing inside that it was about to happen in my spirit, right now it is like a whisper but in the dream it was a sense of knowing inside.
The issue I have with the idea of a mature church is that it would require for us to be of one mind and spirit. Seeing all the different denominations and the doctrines within those denominations then all the views and beliefs within those doctrines and all the different interpretations and understanding within those beliefs and understanding there is just way to much division to even begin to have a mature church like that.
It would require a revival of the greatest magnitude bringing the church together under one mind one body one spirit one heart the church as it stands will never be that mature church that would be required if that was the condition for the rapture.
To be honest i don't know much about the assembly of god though so i don't know what all that entails and what belief system that has. Me personally I cannot stand how denominations divide and seperate the church so I am simply a Christian a child of God whatever beliefs i have or views I go by doesn't define who i am in Christ or where i stand in his church. Though i never really did seem to fit into any one group to begin with to be honest.

 

[ewq1938]

I absolutely, totally agree with your astute opinion. We should find the real rapture in Songs.

Song of Solomon 2
8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

9 My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.

10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.

11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;

12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;

13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.

14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.

Nice call. If you are looking for the secret pretribulation, look in songs.

If you are looking for a fake pretrib rapture, look anywhere but the actual rapture passages.

 

[Cross8527]

Not true. I believe there will be a secret pretribulation rapture, and it will be a secret rapture.

Do you think that Satan has spent so much time explaining away people disappearing because it is not going to happen? All the alien abductions. Aliens are a load of manure that the elite will use to explain the rapture. Have you seen the Avengers? All the people just disintegrating into dust. All for a reason. When the secret pretribulation rapture happens, the lie is already in place to explain it away.

Enterprise energize. Scotty, Scotty energize. POOF.....

I am so glad I joined this forum I have met some truly amazing people here I don't think I have ever met someone so dedicated to the word as you it was a true blessing speaking with you.

 

[ewq1938]

Whoa. Hold your horses on that. It is definitely true.


I have never seen the need to twist scripture, and am not aware of such. Would you please produce just one example of someone twisting scripture to prove the pretribulation rapture?

Post 153, your post.

 

[Taken]

Not true. I believe there will be a secret pretribulation rapture, and it will be a secret rapture.

Do you think that Satan has spent so much time explaining away people disappearing because it is not going to happen? All the alien abductions. Aliens are a load of manure that the elite will use to explain the rapture. Have you seen the Avengers? All the people just disintegrating into dust. All for a reason. When the secret pretribulation rapture happens, the lie is already in place to explain it away.

Enterprise energize. Scotty, Scotty energize. POOF.....

Sure the explaining away. People are already primed, and I dare say many do not even know their own neighbors.

But why are you calling it Secret? People have heard about it, talk about it. What is the Secret, that is not known?