Oh I don't cut and paste from websites, or reel off commentries. It is quite plainly written in the bible what the core of the covenant is. And it is twofold, one without the other equals no new covenant for anyone
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I see that you and the Apostle Paul are strangers.
1.) Galatians 3:6-9. "they that are of the (Christian FAITH) are the sons of Abraham.
Pay attention.
2.) If you are a follower of Christ but not a Disciple of Christ, you are more then likely religious but lost.
3.) Yes......your verses, start with 28, that explains that they are talking about a group.......a LIFESTYLE.....and God gave THEM over to a "Depraved MIND".....and i showed you WHO THEY ARE. = HOMOSEXUALS and similar regarding that Perversion.
Grailhunter
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This is entirely inaccurate. Smacks of of Calvinism and of course OSAS.
Spiritual Jew.....Eternal Security....a long list of words a phrases the someone made up, that is not in the scriptures and they have tried to push it on Christianity.
Be good and do good. Workout your salvation with fear and trembling ..because.... For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 2nd Corinthians 5:10: And there are sins that will prevent us from inheriting the kingdom of heaven....because Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21 ....because....He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1st John 3:8....so what are the works of the devil...Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will not inherit the kingdom of God.” and Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 1st Corinthians 6:9-10 and Galatians 5:21 respectively.
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Good to read the bible as one cohesive whole:
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us 1John1:8
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 1John3:9
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us 1John1:8
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 1John3:9
I'm glad to know that you dont paste other people's work.
Im the same.
Ive about 260 Threads here, and about 6000 posts, obo, and ive never "cut and pasted" anything from anyone, that is a Bible Teaching Thread or Post that is teaching, and that is about 99.8% of them.
I have posted a Thread about SAINTS, where i used Bio Material, and i have posted Music Videos, which are not mine.
So, Just make sure that whatever you post, regarding your idea of the new Covenant = has the Cross of Christ in the center of your explanation.
Leave out Works and Leave out Self effort, and Give all the Credit to God for Sending the Sacrifice of Christ down here to us, and you have your new covenant well explained.
This is the core foundation upon which the new covenant stands, and it is twofold:
This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more
Heb10:16&17
Grailhunter
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Again we were talking about Romans 1:28-32
Are you not a disciple....how sad.
Yes......your verses, start with 28, that explains that they are talking about a group.......a LIFESTYLE.....and God gave THEM over to a "Depraved MIND".....and i showed you WHO THEY ARE. = HOMOSEXUALS and similar regarding that Perversion
Are we looking at different translation of the Bible.
Verse 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a depraved mind, to do those things that are not proper,
You must not use a real bible.
If you did, you'd have taken 12 seconds and read where Paul explains that Abraham is the Father of our faith "we are the sons of"..
Next..
The only "SIN" that will keep you out of heaven, is dying and being a Christ Rejector. So, you die , never being born again, and Jesus will tell YOU...>"depart from me, i never knew you".
I explained this more carefully in a Thread i wrote yesterday.
Here you go.
1 John 5:20
Gave WHO over to a "depraved mind". to DO THOSE THINGS>............that are not proper.
Those : are definded in vs 26-27
26 For this cause God gave THEM up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Carl Emerson
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Rom 4:
15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.
16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, that is, God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that do not exist.
15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.
16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, that is, God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that do not exist.
If you state:
‘Sin will not keep you out of Heaven but losing your faith will’ most automatically believe you believe in a licence to sin. I am in good company if people believe that. Paul was accused of the same!
Note which comes first in the order of the new covenant. The law is placed in your heart and mind, only because this has happened will your sins and lawless deeds be remembered no more.
The first part of the new covenant cuts out a licence to sin. The law God desires you to follow is written in your mind and placed on your heart at the point of conversion. Meaning, in your mind you instinctively know how God wants you to live and in your heart you want to live that way(for the law is now in your heart) It is no longer an external law written on tablets of stone but an internal law, one written on tablets of human hearts. Huge difference. An external law does not mean you in your heart want to obey it, an internal law is very different. We all commit sin, for none is perfect, but there is a difference between sin we hate which we will commit due to our inability to perfectly obey the letter of the law(for sin is the transgression of the law) and sin we at time choose to wilfully commit which we know is wrong. When you commit wilfull sin, your conscience is seered, for you are going against how you in your mind know you should live, and in your heart desire to live. For you cannot go against what is in your heart without being severely troubled by your conscience. You will have no rest, and no peace until you come before your Father in Heaven and tell him you are sorry for your folly, only then do you get your peace back. That is the safeguard that cuts out a licence to sin under grace, for believers have no righteousness of obeying the law/which is not committing sin.
But what if you made a shallow commitment to God? What if, you kept and kept following after the flesh and not the Spirit? What then? For you have not been born again in your flesh, it opposes the Spirit. You start off being tormented, you become miserable, depressed, for you know in your heart you are following the wrong way. Your heart becomes hardened, your faith suffers, and in the end it dies. You can no longer have faith in Christ, and that is your only righteousness before God. Because continually following after the flesh, robs you of looking to Jesus and trusting him that he is your righteousness before God, not your ability to obey the law.
Therefore, to say sin will not keep you out of heaven, but losing your faith will, is, strange as it may seem accurate.
It cannot be another way, for if you can only remain saved/righteous before God if you do not commit sin, then you have righteousness of obeying the law. Paul’s core message was relentless, no believer has righteousness of obeying the law.
‘Sin will not keep you out of Heaven but losing your faith will’ most automatically believe you believe in a licence to sin. I am in good company if people believe that. Paul was accused of the same!
Note which comes first in the order of the new covenant. The law is placed in your heart and mind, only because this has happened will your sins and lawless deeds be remembered no more.
The first part of the new covenant cuts out a licence to sin. The law God desires you to follow is written in your mind and placed on your heart at the point of conversion. Meaning, in your mind you instinctively know how God wants you to live and in your heart you want to live that way(for the law is now in your heart) It is no longer an external law written on tablets of stone but an internal law, one written on tablets of human hearts. Huge difference. An external law does not mean you in your heart want to obey it, an internal law is very different. We all commit sin, for none is perfect, but there is a difference between sin we hate which we will commit due to our inability to perfectly obey the letter of the law(for sin is the transgression of the law) and sin we at time choose to wilfully commit which we know is wrong. When you commit wilfull sin, your conscience is seered, for you are going against how you in your mind know you should live, and in your heart desire to live. For you cannot go against what is in your heart without being severely troubled by your conscience. You will have no rest, and no peace until you come before your Father in Heaven and tell him you are sorry for your folly, only then do you get your peace back. That is the safeguard that cuts out a licence to sin under grace, for believers have no righteousness of obeying the law/which is not committing sin.
But what if you made a shallow commitment to God? What if, you kept and kept following after the flesh and not the Spirit? What then? For you have not been born again in your flesh, it opposes the Spirit. You start off being tormented, you become miserable, depressed, for you know in your heart you are following the wrong way. Your heart becomes hardened, your faith suffers, and in the end it dies. You can no longer have faith in Christ, and that is your only righteousness before God. Because continually following after the flesh, robs you of looking to Jesus and trusting him that he is your righteousness before God, not your ability to obey the law.
Therefore, to say sin will not keep you out of heaven, but losing your faith will, is, strange as it may seem accurate.
It cannot be another way, for if you can only remain saved/righteous before God if you do not commit sin, then you have righteousness of obeying the law. Paul’s core message was relentless, no believer has righteousness of obeying the law.
Grailhunter
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I am not a Jew. Did he say we are the sons of Abraham or he is the father of our faith.
The gentiles were definitely not the sons of Abraham.....and my ancestry would point to gentiles.
Now in that time period there were Jewish-Christians and Paul was one of them.
I have already posted the scriptures that specifically tells you what sins will keep you out of heaven.
1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
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Carl Emerson
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YES...
Rom 4:
15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.
16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, that is, God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that do not exist.
Grailhunter
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Am I of the faith of Abraham?.....is he the father of us all?
father of many nations....Jewish nations?
Paul said it....so I will leave it at that.
Carl Emerson
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If you read it carefully he was the first to follow God in faith and all (not just Jews) who have faith in God have Abraham as a father - they are Paul's words.
Grailhunter
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Ferris Bueller
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What matters is that you are believing. I don't see how knowing if the fallen person was ever really saved to begin with or not is important. The outcome of their unbelief is the same either way. What matters is that you really are saved. We need to stress how one knows they are really saved instead of stressing if a saved person can really fall away and whether or not the fallen person was ever really saved or not. Because none of this matters if you're not even saved in the first place.
Carl Emerson
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The bottom line is that you claimed there was no reference in scripture to Abraham being the father of all who have faith, Jew and Gentile, and I quoted Paul saying just that.
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