Let's look at this logically ,
Looking at something LOGICALLY, straight off notifies me, you are trying to understand a Spiritual teaching with a Carnal mind.
A Carnal Mind, Chooses between THIS option and THAT option, to conclude (LOGICALLY) what that Carnal Mind Will BELIEVE.
A natural spirit of man, IS simply, a mans natural TRUTH, IN HIS HEART!
A natural man IS born of a natural mans SEED...sperm.
A natural mans SPIRIT, is not uh, maybe this option, maybe that option....IT is an absolute Truth.
You say, hummm, what is my NAME...maybe this or maybe that.
You KNOW in your natural spirit, IN your Heart, WHAT your NAME IS.
When a man Freely CHOOSES, to BECOME “BORN AGAIN”...
It is NOT...his body that becomes born again.
It is NOT...his soul that becomes born again.
IT IS, his “natural spirit” that becomes born again.
IT IS, that man being GIVEN GODS SeeD, and that SeeD, “rebirths” the mans “natural spirit”, TO a “spiritual spirit”, and that mans “TRUTH”, becomes GODS TRUTH...period. No Carnal Minded Logic of choosing, between this and that.
So straight off, YOU trying to explain Spiritual things, with a Logical Conclusion of your Carnal Minds Understanding ... is moot.
Paul stated that we will not gather to Christ ,if you chose to call that a rapture fine ,fact remains he, as well as Christ Himself ,told us exactly what must take place before that happens.
Fact is: Jesus IS the Word of God. Learn what JESUS SAID.
II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"
* Brethren...who is Paul’s brethren? In this CONTEXT, Paul’s brethren, ARE those WHO are “Converted”.
How do I know that? Because Paul reveals ...“OUR gathering”.
* WHO “gathers”...the Lord
* WHAT does the Lord “gather”....Converted men.
* HOW is Lord ABLE to “gather”...By the POWER of God.
* WHO is the POWER of God?....Christ.
* HOW does the Lord Gather?...By, through the VOICE of the Lords Arch-Angel.
* WHO are these Converted men “gathered” unto?....the Lord
* HOW do we KNOW that?
* WHERE are these Converted “gathered” TO? The clouds/air.
* HOW do we KNOW that? 1 Thes 4:16, 17.
Is the subject not the return of Christ and when we gather to Him.
The SUBJECT...is always, who, what, when, why, where.
It's know way anyone can twist that scripture ,elementary english .
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I’ve noticed.
So what is the above, 2nd coming or the rapture ?Only two choices so please don't give me a long explanation
FYI...Short carnal minded logical answers are satisfactory to the carnal mind.
But...fail regarding Spiritual understanding.
The end of days Tribulation...IS Gods Tribulation....Gods Wrath. Great, Terrible.
(It is specific to God, even though, men routinely cause “tribulations” against each other.)
The end of days Tribulation Specifically Comes DOWN from Heaven...
Because of Gods Anger, Gods Wrath...Specifically a judgement upon the UNRIGHTEOUS upon the face of the Earth.
Bingo...
Rom 1:18
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18] For the wrath of God is revealed
from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rev 2:
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22] Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation,
except they repent of their deeds.
DING< DING< DING...A converted man HAS repented of their deeds.
Oh ... and ding, ding, ding....ALREADY been FORGIVEN.
Oh.... and ding, ding, ding....GIVEN his bodily life, Crucified /dead.
Oh.... and ding, ding, ding....MADE spirit “reborn” of Gods Seed.
Oh.... and ding, ding, ding....MADE soul “restored” pss 3:24
NOT appointed to Wrath.
IS appointed to be RISEN UP off the face of the Earth ABOVE the tribulation, wrath, destruction, UPON the face fo the Earth.
II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
What day ?
THAT DAY IS what Scriptures says;
WHEN, falling away occurs...
WHEN, that man of sin be revealed.
Open your eyes, Open your ears...
Wicked Men ARE promoting, the world at large people ARE accepting, the Agenda of the man of sin.
...silencing people’s mouths, removing God from the schools, children out of the homes, parents out of the homes, children being taught by strangers the most ungodly things are acceptable, closing Churches, people speaking Against God, on and on.
....Are you AWARE, it IS ungodly wicked men promoting the “world Re-set”?
...Are you AWARE, those men sit a nations heads, speaking for their nations?
...Are you AWARE, those nations heads, including Biden are in full agreement?
...Are you AWARE, Trump said hell no, to their agenda?
FALLING AWAY is being instigated before your eyes to SEE.
...Are you AWARE, of WHO that man of SIN is?
...He is the man, the nations heads will APPOINT “head” of their club.
...He is NOT YET appointed. So that day has NOT YET come to fulfill that part of Revealing....it’s a mans doing, and “they” have an agenda...
Agenda 2020 was fulfilled, with their Fear pseudo Plandemic Virus Crisis.
Agenda 2030 is what they next have planned. Maybe then you will SEE, who they “reveal”, as the head man of sin, of their club.
The LAST part...”the son of perdition”, has been on earth since BEFORE mankind was created.
“Perdition” literally means ‘eternal death’. He who was created a holy angel son of God, is He who became the fallen son, liar, murderer, and the father of eternal death for any man who makes his allegiance to “him”.
Next question if satan is not revealed until the return of Christ ,how do you all leave before ?
Before Tribulation from Heaven, and the Wrath of God from Heaven, Begins...the Converted “IN” Christ shall be called up off the face of the Earth, to the Clouds.
Same as in Noahs day. Saved Noah was called into the Ark, Safe IN the Ark for 7 days. For those 7 days the “other things” (ie animals) God elected to Save, entered into the Ark. Then God Shut the door.
Rain fell, Waters from the deep (under the earth) rose up, higher and higher, Killing everything on the face of the Earth. The Ark rose up and up off the face of the Earth, above the mountain tops, reaching the clouds.
Nothing new under the Sun. What was shall be. Not a secret.
How a converted man IN Christ leaves? He is called and the power of God rises him up to MEET THE Lord in the air.
Satan is “given power”, when the Seals (by the Lamb of God, in Heaven opens the Seals one by one)
The son of perdition, is “revealed”, WHEN the wicked man elected by the head of “the re-set club”, mortally dies, and the son of perdition, (Satan, a spirit), takes over his body, causing his body to “appear to the eyes of men OF the world AS alive”.
Caution ... IF you are NOT Converted, and ON Earth during their time, and they say “here is Christ” “there is Christ”, believe them not.
AFTER Trib, After 1,000 yr reign, After Satan is defeated...then shall the Son of man return....(WITH Clouds, WITH Power).
I know you want a simple brief Carnal minded logical explanation.
The Answer is Spiritual, The Understanding is Spiritual and Complex, in that it deals with and addresses Every living thing. And not Every living thing is the Same.