Do you really think you live up to the righteousness of Christ?

[Robbie]

OK Pegg... good luck on your quest of being perfect so you can be saved... haha... since no one's ever been perfect in works except Jesus though... I'd say the odds are against you... and since there's strict warnings about trying to stand before God in our own righteousness I recommend against it...

As for me... I'll just walk into the wedding feast dressed in the robe of righteousness that's Christ and throw all my dirty rags in the trash on the way in... and when I walk in I'll take the seat at the bottom of the table... which is honestly where I believe I belong because I'm just a scumbag who's been forgiven much... I'm nothing but an unprofitable servant... all glory and Love for Jesus for saving a sinner like me... that's what my faith is in... Him...

also... as far as most of what you wrote... it was you responding to your own imagination because I didn't say any of the stuff that you seemed to want to try and correct me about... haha... I've had so many christian do that to me...

I'll be like, "We're saved by the blood of Jesus"

and they'll be like, "You can't just hate Jesus and still be saved" bahahhahahah... mental...

 

[Prentis]

Have you never heard about walking in the Spirit, walking in his righteousness, doing works prepared in advance, that it is required of stewards to be faithful...?

All these things are true brother. We cannot judge ourselves and say, 'because I believe, I am saved'. God judges. We can say 'he has saved', because indeed he has, but that is past tense and doesn't mean one cannot be cut off.

 

[brionne]

OK Pegg... good luck on your quest of being perfect so you can be saved... haha... since no one's ever been perfect in works except Jesus though... I'd say the odds are against you... and since there's strict warnings about trying to stand before God in our own righteousness I recommend against it...

As for me... I'll just walk into the wedding feast dressed in the robe of righteousness that's Christ and throw all my dirty rags in the trash on the way in... and when I walk in I'll take the seat at the bottom of the table... which is honestly where I believe I belong because I'm just a scumbag who's been forgiven much... I'm nothing but an unprofitable servant... all glory and Love for Jesus for saving a sinner like me... that's what my faith is in... Him...

also... as far as most of what you wrote... it was you responding to your own imagination because I didn't say any of the stuff that you seemed to want to try and correct me about... haha... I've had so many christian do that to me...

I'll be like, "We're saved by the blood of Jesus"

and they'll be like, "You can't just hate Jesus and still be saved" bahahhahahah... mental...

i think you've misunderstood me. No one is claiming you have to be a perfect person. But you have to accept the fact that God has certain requirements to be met for salvation.

the first is faith in Christ. But it has to be a real faith...one that motivates a person to 'righteous acts and deeds of godly devotion. If a person has real true faith, he will endeavour to live by that faith and that person will produce the 'fruits of faith'

If you think that just by believing in Jesus, salvation is assured, then why did Jesus himself say that many who professed to speak in his name were lawless and wicked?
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.


Jesus words above show that something more then faith is required...notice "the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will"

what is the 'will' of God that we are required to be involved in?

 

[Robbie]

OK Prentis... so you haven't accepted the free gift... you saying that people are saved by Jesus was just a front... once again... it's all about you... it's all about what you do that saves you... it's all your glory... Jesus is just some ingredient in you saving yourself... bad news man...

And yeah... I've heard of all those things... I do all those things... but they're not what saves me... and even if I do all those things I'm still just an unprofitable servant... even if I keep the whole law I'm just a wretched man... even if I'm better than every other person on this planet I still am only saved by the same blood and made just as righteous as the worst person.

Pegg... can't you hear anything He's saying? They were doing all kinds of righteous works in His name... and He called them workers of lawlessness... and what did He say? "I never knew you, get away from Me". So once again we see it's not doing good works that makes us righteous... it's knowing Him... will you be able to admit to yourself that's what it is now?

That He alone is salvation or are you blinded by your pride?

Abiding in Him isn't doing good enough works to be saved... abiding in Him is realize there's nothing you can do to save yourself... and walking completely dependent on Him for salvation.

I mean the worst sin is pride because it can't admit that it's wrong because it can't accept that it's unrighteous... that it's not right... can you see that you're not right?

 

[brionne]

Pegg... can't you hear anything He's saying? They were doing all kinds of righteous works in His name... and He called them workers of lawlessness... and what did He say? "I never knew you, get away from Me". So once again we see it's not doing good works that makes us righteous... it's knowing Him... will you be able to admit to yourself that's what it is now?

That He alone is salvation or are you blinded by your pride?

Abiding in Him isn't doing good enough works to be saved... abiding in Him is realize there's nothing you can do to save yourself... and walking completely dependent on Him for salvation.

I mean the worst sin is pride because it can't admit that it's wrong because it can't accept that it's unrighteous... that it's not right... can you see that you're not right?

What does it mean to 'know' Jesus?

 

[Robbie]

I got two questions for you first...

Are you asking me because you don't know Him and you want me to help you?

Or are you asking me to try and test me so you might find something to accuse me with?

 

[Prentis]

What does it mean to 'know' Jesus?

'He who loves me obeys my commands'

 

[brionne]

I got two questions for you first...

Are you asking me because you don't know Him and you want me to help you?

Or are you asking me to try and test me so you might find something to accuse me with?

Im asking because i want to know what you mean when you say 'know' Jesus.

What does that mean to you?

I know what it means to me.

'He who loves me obeys my commands'

yep, I agree.

So it requires something of us. And that is where righteousness comes into the picture. "A righteous person will live by reason of faith'

faith and righteousness are not mutually exclusive... they are co-dependent. This is what Robbie is not understanding and why he keeps pointing out that faith is the only means to salvation. He's correct, it is the only means to salvation.... but that faith will move a person to righteous works and that is why christians must strive to be 'like' Christ.

 

[Robbie]

@ Pegg... that's what I figured so no... I won't waste my time with your testing... (Everyone else I've rejected about this has said, "Oh see... now I know you don't know" which is translated into, "This is my manipulative attempt at accusing you because one way or the other I was going to accuse you") haha... the truth is dealing with religious people that are testing you so they can find a reason to accuse you wastes so much time and energy... been there done that... it goes no where... it's a waste of life... the Pharisees were constantly trying to test Jesus to find something to accuse Him for also... as it was with Him... so it is with us... that's why I expect it.

@ Prentis... Yep... we love Him by doing what He says... and He loved us by paying the price once and for all for our sins so that He could become our righteousness and save us according to His righteousness and not our own ... it's like the scriptures you use to support your rejection of Jesus Christ being the only way to salvation are so far off... they have nothing to do with each other...

It's not our love for Him that saves us... it's His love for us that saved us on the cross... and we love Him because He first loved us and gave His life for us... yet once again you twist it to being about you... the more I talk to you the more I realize you're in danger of judgment because you spread so much pride and ego and reject the Lord and His glory... even though you disguise it all with a blessing and a big happy face...

Might as well betray Jesus with a kiss and

 

[Duckybill]

Matthew 7:21-23 (NKJV)
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Which means we MUST obey the NT, including the Sermon on the Mount. Right before Jesus said this He said NARROW is the way and FEW there be ...

Those who defend living unrighteously are not among the few.

 

[brionne]

Matthew 7:21-23 (NKJV)
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Which means we MUST obey the NT, including the Sermon on the Mount. Right before Jesus said this He said NARROW is the way and FEW there be ...

Those who defend living unrighteously are not among the few.

on this point, i agree with you wholeheartedly.


To believe otherwise is deluded and a real sad shame.

 

[Duckybill]

on this point, i agree with you wholeheartedly.

To believe otherwise is deluded and a real sad shame.

Your comment is appreciated.

 

[Robbie]

I can't believe you guys actually believe the will of the Father is for you guys to try and be good enough to earn your way to heaven... so deceived.

John 6:40 (NIV) For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. - JESUS

You guys who have made yourselves estranged from Christ (Being a stranger to Christ is when He says He doesn't know you) because you want to justify yourselves by works... you are seriously so blinded by your pride and you can't even see or hear anything... it seriously sucks = (

I really hope you can wake up and repent...

 

[jiggyfly]

5 But we who live by the Spirit eagerly wait to receive by faith the righteousness God has promised to us.6 For when we place our faith in Christ Jesus, there is no benefit in being circumcised or being uncircumcised. What is important is faith expressing itself in love.
Gal 5:5-6 (NLT)

 

[jiggyfly]

I can't believe you guys actually believe the will of the Father is for you guys to try and be good enough to earn your way to heaven... so deceived.

John 6:40 (NIV) For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. - JESUS

You guys who have made yourselves estranged from Christ (Being a stranger to Christ is when He says He doesn't know you) because you want to justify yourselves by works... you are seriously so blinded by your pride and you can't even see or hear anything... it seriously sucks = (

I really hope you can wake up and repent...

Religious paradigm is difficult to reason with Robbie. Just look at Israel and Egypt, even under impossible demands many still wanted to return after God had set them free. It is the same with religion and "good works". God has set us free yet many want to return back to the bondage. You see there is no room in God's kingdom for self, so because of the survival instinct of the carnal nature it is better for self to be imprisoned than to die. But self cannot avoid the irresistible will of God forever.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
1 Cor 15:27-28 (KJV)

 

[brionne]

Robbie and Jiggyfly, What do these verses indicate to you?

Matthew 5: 20 For I say to YOU that if YOUR righteousness does not abound more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, YOU will by no means enter into the kingdom of the heavens
Matthew 6:33 “Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these [other] things will be added to YOU.
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God does not mean eating and drinking, but [means] righteousness and peace and joy with holy spirit.

What is the righteousness of God that we must seek and display?

 

[jiggyfly]

Robbie and Jiggyfly, What do these verses indicate to you?

Matthew 5: 20 For I say to YOU that if YOUR righteousness does not abound more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, YOU will by no means enter into the kingdom of the heavens
Matthew 6:33 “Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these [other] things will be added to YOU.
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God does not mean eating and drinking, but [means] righteousness and peace and joy with holy spirit.

What is the righteousness of God that we must seek and display?

Christ's righteousness.
7 I once thought these things were valuable, but now I consider them worthless because of what Christ has done.8 Yes, everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ9 and become one with him. I no longer count on my own righteousness through obeying the law; rather, I become righteous through faith in Christ. For God’s way of making us right with himself depends on faith.
Phil 3:7-9 (NLT)



Context is important Pegg, what was the righteousness of the pharisees and scribes?

 

[Episkopos]

A person can only show forth the righteousness of Christ when it is no longer he that lives but Christ that lives through that person. I have experienced this at various times and for various lengths of time. But I have not yet attained to the lasting witness of His righteousness within me.

 

[Robbie]

It's so double minded when people talk about how the righteousness of Christ can only be attained when they no longer live... but then go on to talk about how their righteousness is all about how they're living... hahahahahaha

And Word Jiggy... there's no room for self when it comes to salvation... it's all Him... all glory to Him...

 

[Episkopos]

It's so double minded when people talk about how the righteousness of Christ can only be attained when they no longer live... but then go on to talk about how their righteousness is all about how they're living... hahahahahaha

And Word Jiggy... there's no room for self when it comes to salvation... it's all Him... all glory to Him...

The spiritual reality is a conundrum for human beings. We have eyes but we don't see the spiritual world. We have ears but we can't hear God. That is until we are spiritually awakened. But even then, we have much to overcome. Yes !!! WE must overcome. That is done through Christ within us as WE surrender our faculties over to Him. So everything in God is counter-intuitive. We must learn to be dependent again. This is quite scandalous to a fully grown adult.