Ducky... The gospel isn't about us being sinners? And Christ having to redeem us? You're clueless...
Do you really think you live up to the righteousness of Christ?
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Why are you sorry Aspen? Remember the time you got wasted and said weird stuff to me on my facebook? I had no judgment against you because I thought you knew you were saved by grace... and I had grace for you blowing it.
Are you seriously not able to see how far you are from the righteousness of Christ?
And how being clothed in His righteousness is the only righteousness that can save you?
Are you seriously not able to see how far you are from the righteousness of Christ?
And how being clothed in His righteousness is the only righteousness that can save you?
Are you really that uninformed that you would think I meant that?
Was the lamb without blemish because his blood was without blemish?
I mean... are you serious?
Was the lamb without blemish because his blood was without blemish?
I mean... are you serious?
of course i dont think that, but you were the one who said it
So you are being deliberately misleading.... why dont you just say you are not interested in discussing it and i'll stop asking questions.
You said what does it mean to be clothed in his righteousness... I said His blood...
Why is that misleading?
You then asked if it was His blood that was his righteousness...
I asked if the lambs without blemish were righteous because of their blood.
That isn't misleading.
Maybe you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about so you can't understand what I'm saying but nothing I said was misleading.
When a lamb was without blemish it wasn't because of their blood... but because they were without blemish their blood was able to make someone righteous enough to enter.
That was a picture of Who was to come... Who is Jesus... Who is the lamb without blemish... and when we're covered by His blood we're able to enter the holiest of holies.
If you don't know this stuff why you setting yourself up as an expert?
And if you do know this stuff why you acting like you don't?
Why is that misleading?
You then asked if it was His blood that was his righteousness...
I asked if the lambs without blemish were righteous because of their blood.
That isn't misleading.
Maybe you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about so you can't understand what I'm saying but nothing I said was misleading.
When a lamb was without blemish it wasn't because of their blood... but because they were without blemish their blood was able to make someone righteous enough to enter.
That was a picture of Who was to come... Who is Jesus... Who is the lamb without blemish... and when we're covered by His blood we're able to enter the holiest of holies.
If you don't know this stuff why you setting yourself up as an expert?
And if you do know this stuff why you acting like you don't?
Instead of vitriol and arguing, why don't we start from a Biblical foundation?
Philippians 2:12-16 HCSB
So then, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God who is working in you, [enabling you] both to desire and to work out His good purpose. Do everything without grumbling and arguing, so that you may be blameless and pure, children of God who are faultless in a crooked and perverted generation, among whom you shine like stars in the world. Hold firmly to the message of life. Then I can boast in the day of Christ that I didn't run or labor for nothing.
So, let's just start by asking a simple set of questions:
Did Christ come for us to follow rules, or is there more than just following a set of rules in the Gospels?
Philippians 2:12-16 HCSB
So then, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God who is working in you, [enabling you] both to desire and to work out His good purpose. Do everything without grumbling and arguing, so that you may be blameless and pure, children of God who are faultless in a crooked and perverted generation, among whom you shine like stars in the world. Hold firmly to the message of life. Then I can boast in the day of Christ that I didn't run or labor for nothing.
So, let's just start by asking a simple set of questions:
Did Christ come for us to follow rules, or is there more than just following a set of rules in the Gospels?
this is a great scripture. It highlights the fact that many have been saying over and over in this thread...more then simple belief is required of christians. We have a responsibility to 'work out our own salvation'
The offer is there on the table...the means of salvation is available, its Christs blood. But Christs blood in itself does not make us righteous. The only thing that can do that is us. God cannot work in us if we continue to live in sin and if we dont strive to be faultless.
Robbie seems to think that Christs blood makes everyone righteous. I think he is way off base.
When I realized I didn't live up to the rules was when I realized I couldn't save myself and I needed a savior... that's when I welcomed the good news of Jesus Christ paying the price for my sins on the cross and covering me with His blood once and for all so I could boldly enter the holiest of holies.... the presence of God... and have a reestablished relationship with my Father... which is eternal life... all glory to Him...
Romans 3:20
For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.
Galatians 2:18
Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down
Ephesians 2:9
Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.
Acts 15:11
We believe that we are all saved the same way, by the undeserved grace of the Lord Jesus.”
Ephesians 2:8
God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God.
Romans 3:20
For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.
Galatians 2:18
Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down
Ephesians 2:9
Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.
Acts 15:11
We believe that we are all saved the same way, by the undeserved grace of the Lord Jesus.”
Ephesians 2:8
God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God.
God removed the mosaic law Robbie. So God is not judging any of us by the standards laid out in the mosaic law. He is judging us by our faith in Christ and by our willingness to live in worthy imitation of Christ.
We all sin every day, but we dont throw our hands up and say 'oh well im a sinner there is nothing more I can do here'... Christs blood covers our sins IF we are repentant over them. I just dont understand where you are coming from. I'm still trying to work our what you think righteousness is for a christian???? We are told to live by righteousness... not sinlessness. So obviously a sinful person can still be a righteous person but you dont seem to believe that, why not?
Here's the rest that you ignored...
Romans 3:20
For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.
Galatians 2:18
Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down
Ephesians 2:9
Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.
Acts 15:11
We believe that we are all saved the same way, by the undeserved grace of the Lord Jesus.”
Ephesians 2:8
God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God.
Maybe now it's big enough for you to see.
one more time
Ephesians 2:9
Salvation is not a reward
Romans 3:20
For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.
Galatians 2:18
Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down
Ephesians 2:9
Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.
Acts 15:11
We believe that we are all saved the same way, by the undeserved grace of the Lord Jesus.”
Ephesians 2:8
God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God.
Maybe now it's big enough for you to see.
one more time
Ephesians 2:9
Salvation is not a reward
No, it is not owing to works, in order that no man should have ground for boasting.
Salvation is a 'gift' and the only way to receive that gift is by putting faith in Christ and obeying Christs commands.
Mosaic law and its works are pushed aside but the law of Christ is not. If you live by the law of the Christ, God views you as righteous and its because of that righteousness that he will bestow the gift upon you.
1Cor 9:21 '... although I am not without law toward God but under law toward Christ'
Salvation is a 'gift' and the only way to receive that gift is by putting faith in Christ and obeying Christs commands.
Mosaic law and its works are pushed aside but the law of Christ is not. If you live by the law of the Christ, God views you as righteous and its because of that righteousness that he will bestow the gift upon you.
1Cor 9:21 '... although I am not without law toward God but under law toward Christ'
robbie
you are talking of salvation. how to be saved and why we should be saved.
you and prentis are talking of different things. prentis is referring to become closer to God.
we need to do both. we cannot get close to God without being saved first. but once saved it is our responsibility to nurture our relationship with God and keep getting closer and closer in our relationship with God. the word says we are to become dead to our flesh and let Christ live through us. this is difficult because we are so used to sinning that we need to relearn the things of God. once we have conquered an area it is easy to maintain but getting there tough. for example swearing, there are people that cannot go 3 words without swearing but then others have conquered this and we don't swear at all but then there are others who swear only when they lose their tempers. we are all at different stages in our walk with God. thanks for taking the time to read ths.
you are talking of salvation. how to be saved and why we should be saved.
you and prentis are talking of different things. prentis is referring to become closer to God.
we need to do both. we cannot get close to God without being saved first. but once saved it is our responsibility to nurture our relationship with God and keep getting closer and closer in our relationship with God. the word says we are to become dead to our flesh and let Christ live through us. this is difficult because we are so used to sinning that we need to relearn the things of God. once we have conquered an area it is easy to maintain but getting there tough. for example swearing, there are people that cannot go 3 words without swearing but then others have conquered this and we don't swear at all but then there are others who swear only when they lose their tempers. we are all at different stages in our walk with God. thanks for taking the time to read ths.
Whadda yall do. Stay up all night to start the exact same argument that you had yesterday? Do you either of you dare think this is "teaching them to obey what I have commanded"? One day of nonsence to the next day of nonsence, glory to glory. Yeah right.
There is no such thing as the gift of salvation. God seeks to influence us and give us His strength to do the things that are pleasing to Him.
Everyone will be judged by their works. Those who think they will be judged (or not judged) by a magic formula (saying rumplestilzkin or Jesus 3 times)have not understood the power of the gospel to bring about the will of God NOW!
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Everyone will be judged by their works. Those who think they will be judged (or not judged) by a magic formula (saying rumplestilzkin or Jesus 3 times)have not understood the power of the gospel to bring about the will of God NOW!
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Liar... who's denying Jesus the glory He deserves and rejecting the salvation that's in Him alone... false teacher... false gospel...
But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. [sup]16[/sup] And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. [sup]17[/sup] For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
[sup]18[/sup] Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. [sup]19[/sup] For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
[sup]20[/sup] Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, [sup]21[/sup] so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Blessings to you Robbie!
There is a gift of grace, there are gifts of the Spirit, but no gift of salvation (in an everlasting way). Christianity is meant as a means of equiping us for the race of faith and faithfulness here below. There is no gift that exempts one from taking part in life. Only death seeks to do that.
Like I told your boy Prentis...
You might as well punch someone in the face and tell them you hope they have a nice day...
It doesn't matter if you tell people to get blessed with a big happy face if while doing so you're trying to convince them not to trust in Jesus for their salvation...
You and Prentis go to the same church by any chance?
You his pastor?
Because you guys both speak the same lies that deny Christ the glory He deserves... while making it about you... take your cultish deception elsewhere... because it will never fly with me...
I know Christ... I know it's only because of Him... I know He didn't hang on that cross in vain... for me just to turn it around and make it all about me would be to deny Him the glory that is only His...
You want to deny Christ.. and put yourself back under the curse again... being found a sinner again... so there no longer remains a sacrifice for you because you reject that Christ died once and for all... that's on you... as for me... I see right through your pride based deception... I see how filthy your rags are that your pride tells you are righteous... and I want nothing to do with your false gospel.
You might as well punch someone in the face and tell them you hope they have a nice day...
It doesn't matter if you tell people to get blessed with a big happy face if while doing so you're trying to convince them not to trust in Jesus for their salvation...
You and Prentis go to the same church by any chance?
You his pastor?
Because you guys both speak the same lies that deny Christ the glory He deserves... while making it about you... take your cultish deception elsewhere... because it will never fly with me...
I know Christ... I know it's only because of Him... I know He didn't hang on that cross in vain... for me just to turn it around and make it all about me would be to deny Him the glory that is only His...
You want to deny Christ.. and put yourself back under the curse again... being found a sinner again... so there no longer remains a sacrifice for you because you reject that Christ died once and for all... that's on you... as for me... I see right through your pride based deception... I see how filthy your rags are that your pride tells you are righteous... and I want nothing to do with your false gospel.
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