but that is only if the homosexual turns away from the practice of homosexuality. One must stop sinning intentionally if they are to benefit from Christs blood.
Do you really think you live up to the righteousness of Christ?
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but that is only if the homosexual turns away from the practice of homosexuality. One must stop sinning intentionally if they are to benefit from Christs blood.
Crazy that you who deny Christ and say
"Christ has NOT paid any price for your sins nor has he become your righteousness."
is the same person who condemns others... actually I guess that makes perfect sense...
Why don't you, Ducky, Prentis, and the rest of the yahoos all start the, "Better than everyone else church"
Your decree can be...
"Christ has NOT paid any price for your sins nor has he become your righteousness." and "There is no such thing as the gift of salvation." and "you cannot come before God and proclaim your righteousness is because Christ died for you." and "We''re super good people and better than everyone and that's why we're saved"
Then you can all boast among each other about how you're saved by all the great works you do and take a bunch of glory for yourselves... then you can talk about homosexuals and all the other people that don't live up to your standard of righteousness and how they're condemned... and how Christ died only for you who are righteous enough...
Maybe you can ever make some signs that say, "God hates fags"
You're seriously such a bunch of self righteous hypocritical creeps...
I mean seriously? Christ only died for those who are righteous enough? Do you have any idea how stupid that is? Do you have any idea how hypocritical and self righteous it is to say Christ only died for people who are as righteous as you?
I mean just shut it already with all your self righteous garbage that just denies the Lord and puts yourself on a pedestal... over you already...
"Christ has NOT paid any price for your sins nor has he become your righteousness."
is the same person who condemns others... actually I guess that makes perfect sense...
Why don't you, Ducky, Prentis, and the rest of the yahoos all start the, "Better than everyone else church"
Your decree can be...
"Christ has NOT paid any price for your sins nor has he become your righteousness." and "There is no such thing as the gift of salvation." and "you cannot come before God and proclaim your righteousness is because Christ died for you." and "We''re super good people and better than everyone and that's why we're saved"
Then you can all boast among each other about how you're saved by all the great works you do and take a bunch of glory for yourselves... then you can talk about homosexuals and all the other people that don't live up to your standard of righteousness and how they're condemned... and how Christ died only for you who are righteous enough...
Maybe you can ever make some signs that say, "God hates fags"
You're seriously such a bunch of self righteous hypocritical creeps...
I mean seriously? Christ only died for those who are righteous enough? Do you have any idea how stupid that is? Do you have any idea how hypocritical and self righteous it is to say Christ only died for people who are as righteous as you?
I mean just shut it already with all your self righteous garbage that just denies the Lord and puts yourself on a pedestal... over you already...
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
I would direct you to 1Cor 6:9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of YOU were. But YOU have been washed clean, but YOU have been sanctified, but YOU have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God
Yes Jesus blood was enough for them to be forgiven for their sins, but they had to repent and turn away from such bad practices. those christians who previously practiced such things did not do so after they became christians.
Should we believe you or God?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
Pegg...
You highlighting "and yet that is what some of you were" isn't gonna work distracting me from what it says next , "But you were washed clean"...
Why are we not that anymore? Because we were washed clean... and how were we washed clean?
From Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
We're not washed by works... we're washed by His blood... all glory to Him... the glory you deny...
Yep Ducky... and those homosexuals that wouldn't have entered in according to their own righteousness... when they are washed clean by His blood... will be entering in before you in your filthy rags of self righteous works... how will that feel? To see the homosexuals entering into the Kingdom before you? all glory to Him... the glory you deny Him...
You highlighting "and yet that is what some of you were" isn't gonna work distracting me from what it says next , "But you were washed clean"...
Why are we not that anymore? Because we were washed clean... and how were we washed clean?
From Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
We're not washed by works... we're washed by His blood... all glory to Him... the glory you deny...
Yep Ducky... and those homosexuals that wouldn't have entered in according to their own righteousness... when they are washed clean by His blood... will be entering in before you in your filthy rags of self righteous works... how will that feel? To see the homosexuals entering into the Kingdom before you? all glory to Him... the glory you deny Him...
they were only washed clean because they had repented and turned away from their wrongdoing.
Do you honestly think that God is ok with wrongdoing now? Do you think his standards have changed now?
The get washed clean when they repent. Not before.
Proverbs 28:13 (NKJV)
13 He who covers his sins will not prosper, But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.
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Pegg, I don't believe that.... Never have even if I disagree with what Robbie's arguements, tactics and tantrums are. What would you day if we said, "but that is only if the pork chop eater turns away from the practice of eating pork chops. One must stop sinning intentionally if they are to benefit from Christ's blood"?
Clearly the question at hand is the human measure of sin. You can take "pork chop eater" and substitute it with any other sin in the Law of Moses. We can also include some things like wearing makeup, which aren't in the Law. Why? It's really a form of lying, isn't it? Going by the hard copy of the Law, if you find cattle or a beast of burden that has strayed, you are supposed to return it, because it is property. Right? What about loose change along the sidewalk? We pick it up, but did we earn it? No. We are commanded to return lost livestock, but the spirit of the law is that we return property. So, find a penny pick it up, all day long..... Try to figure out who it belongs to.
Rediculous, but only to make a point. How are any of us going to stop sinning intentionally? We can't. Homosexuals get it really bad because it's a clear lust of the flesh in a pleasurable way (TO THEM..... I DON'T SWING THAT WAY!). It's something most Christians can easily bash and get away with because most are either of like mind, or pretend to be.
But how are you going to stop intentionally sinning? I'm not asking if you have, I'm asking how are you going to stop it? The question is rhetorical; you aren't. Furthermore, the Law was given for two reasons: 1. that we could be charged with an offense, and 2. That grace through faith could take over.
You've had some great posts, Pegg... But from now on, when you speak of intentional sins like homosexuality, I'm going to imagine you speaking of eating catfish, shrimp, pork, planting tomatoes next to cucumbers, etc. It won't make much sense, but it'll serve a point.
Homosexuals defeat sin in the same way as the rest of us do.... Grace through faith. As rediculous, silly and I'll even say ignorant as Robbie may be, he's got that right, even if he doesn't understand it, which I'm pretty sure he doesn't.
My point is that we all sin, and do it intentionally.
Why would I think God would be OK with wrong doing if it caused Him to have to send His Son to die for our sins?
And what Pegg... God sent His Son only to die for the righteous?
Do you know how stupid that sounds?
Yeah Ducky... God only sent His Son to die for those that made themselves righteous... you're clueless...
And what Pegg... God sent His Son only to die for the righteous?
Do you know how stupid that sounds?
Yeah Ducky... God only sent His Son to die for those that made themselves righteous... you're clueless...
we all sin, but we dont have to commit sins that are expressly forbidden in the NT.
The mosaic laws were pushes aside, so eating certain foods and all those regulations do not pertain to us. But laws against murder and fornication and eating blood were all known well before the mosaic law was put down in writing. For example, Joseph knew that it would be a sin against God to commit fornication with Potiphers wife. How did he know that? Because there are universal laws that have been in mankinds conscience since our creation....murder is another universal law that does not need to be down in writing for us to know it is a terrible sin.
So if we think we can comitt acts that God condemns because Christ died and therefore i can do what I like.... that is dangerous and irresponsible. God will not stand for it, he has expressly forbidden certain acts as mentioned in the NT and he will not tolerate certain behavior.
And ask yourself....would Jesus do this or that... if you know in your heart that he would never involve himself in an act of fornication or of homosexuality or any other sinful act, then nor should we.
It was what you asked but I'll say it again...
I believe everyone who is washed in His blood will be saved... and I believe everyone who rejects His Son won't.
So apart from Jesus... if you reject His grace and mercy that's available in His Son... no... you wont be saved.
I believe everyone who is washed in His blood will be saved... and I believe everyone who rejects His Son won't.
So apart from Jesus... if you reject His grace and mercy that's available in His Son... no... you wont be saved.
They're separated from God... they experience the death that is separation from Him... they are cast into outer darkness... He's so desperate to save us from that... because He loves us to much... that He was even willing to send His Son to die for our sins... so we could be reconnected to Him... but if we deny that... all to His pain... we are cast out of His presence... the absence of His presence is hell... that's why the less Godliness there is on this planet... the more it feels like hell... because that's what hell is... separation from Him.
Yes... His blood can save everyone... if they are willing to receive the free gift... that's the thing about a gift... you can choose to reject it... or you can choose to receive it...
Are you really wanting to understand this Ducky?
or are you just wanting to find something that you can accuse me about?
Are you really wanting to understand this Ducky?
or are you just wanting to find something that you can accuse me about?
Just trying to understand what you believe. Here's what I have understood you to mean:
Those who preach against sin will be lost forever.
Those who live in sin will be saved.
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