Christ's Coming to Gather His Church is AFTER the Tribulation

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amigo de christo

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Regarding your example, can you tell me how you interpret this passage:

Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

You say: "Israel is Israel".

Paul said: "For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel".

Paul didn't seem to agree with you.
And paul was a JEW . HE knew . The children of the flesh are not Truly of ISRAEL .
Jesus said it , The flesh profits nothing , YE must be born again .
For he is not a jew which is one outwardly and circumsicion is just of the flesh , HE is a jew which is one inwardly
and has been circumsized in the heart . There simply is zero hope for a jew or gentile that comes not TO CHRIST .
For only Christ can reveal the Father unto us . I think its high time we return to the bible and learn doctrine for ourselves .
The LORD is with the lambs and HE shall lead us and guide us into all truth . FOR HE IS THE TRUTH THE WAY AND THE LIFE .
The ONLY WAY unto the FATHER whose footsteps we do follow by the unction of the HOLY GHOST .
JESUS sheep HEAR HIS VOICE and the voice of a stranger they will flee . Ever wonder why i was kept safe from ROME
from other false ones as well . AND HOW by grace GOD put me into one book by which i would grow wise unto salvatoin
through faith in Christ . DOCTRINE MATTERS . Lambs love and rejoice in the Truth .
 

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Smart-elick...? Like someone who thinks they know it all?
BTY, it’s smart aleck. And Knowing All is exclusive to Jesus.
Be sure and let the all inclusive preaches know this truth . THEY seem to teach TRUTH is not aboslute
and that JESUS is not the only way to be saved . THAT my friend is a pharce from the dragon himself .
The dragon , aka that serpent , that ol devil has always desired to be AS GOD to be worshipped as GOD .
THUS he and many of his preachers have set up a lie that has led folks to a false love , a false unity and a false image of GOD
which in truth is the dragon himself . HE knows HOW to decieve , HE knows how to lie , HE knows how to use the same
words and yet twist them . aka , he brings another love , he brings another unity , he brings another freedom
he brings another ..........and that list goes on and on . My advice remains the same .
Cause Satan also knows how to paint a jesus that AINT JESUS . Folks better learn THE BIBLCAL JESUS is all i can say and i cant say it
fast enough or often enough .
 

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I'll take a guess by your previous response to me, you did not take a look at Genesis 7. And you offer no explanation as to Pre-Tbs idea that Noah was saved 7 days before wrath and thereby following that same pattern they put out, we should be saved 7 years before wrath: The fact that Pre-TB changes from a logical 7 years before wrath begins (as they interpret Noah was) to 7 years before the wrath is completed is an issue. It doesn't follow the logical pattern of Noah's historic view, but instead twists it.

Here are the verses Pre-TBers use.

Genesis 7:1 - The command given to begin entering the ark with the following;
Genesis 7:2-3 What needs to be taken into the ark
Genesis 7:4 - Noah was warned that in 7 days, the flood would come. He had 7 days to complete the entering in of all animals and food commanded by God.

Now the following verses:

10And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. 11In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

13In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

What do others say?

1. Observe that P represents the Flood as commencing on the same day (cf. Genesis 7:11) that Noah entered the ark. There is no account taken here of the interval of seven days, mentioned by J in Genesis 7:4; Genesis 7:10, preceding the catastrophe.

2. the entrance of Noah and his retinue into the ark, first in the command, next in the actual process during the seven days, and, lastly, in the completed act on the seventh day.

3. In the selfsame day on which the flood began by that terrible shower.

4. On the self-same day: on that day he had entered, had completed the entering, which occupied the seven days between the giving of the command (Genesis 7:4) and the commencement of the flood (Genesis 7:10).

I hope you will study this and look into it yourself. My problem is not with you. It is with the man's ideas being tossed around like scripture and the church is full of man's ideas that are untrue. No different than the Pharisees with their man-made traditions.

Lot and Noah were both saved on the same day destruction came. On the last day. Otherwise, Luke 17 is kinda funny.

26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

If we assume it is 7 days before, then the wicked stopped eating, drinking, marriage also 7 days before wrath (when Pre-TB assumes Noah entered) which would mean the wicked KNEW wrath was coming...but that is impossible since they were surprised. Very illogical.

 
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Regarding your example, can you tell me how you interpret this passage:

Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

You say: "Israel is Israel".

Paul said: "For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel".

Paul didn't seem to agree with you.
@The Light

Spiritual Israelite, I quoted you not to ask you a question, but to piggy back off what you mentioned.

Christ said to the Jews:
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Those Jews were not Abraham's seed according to our Lord. He wasn't concerned with the flesh but ONLY the spirit.
Yet in Galatians 3:29 Paul says,
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

How is it the Jews then were not the seed of Abraham nor heirs to the promise but we are? Because of what is said in Romans 9:8

So it is not the children of the flesh who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as offspring

And there is an Israel of the flesh today which is blind and anti-Christ; and an Israel of the spirit made of Jew and Gentile which the church is grafted into.
 
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The `promise` singular that God gave Abraham is the Holy Spirit.

The Promise which God gave Abraham, and Abraham believed God, and thus God accounted Abraham's Faith as righteousness, is The Gospel of Jesus Christ, not The Holy Spirit. There is a difference, as The Holy Spirit did not come to die on the cross like Jesus did.

And this is what Apostle Paul was teaching in Galatians 3, and is WHY... Paul said those of Faith... have become the children of Abraham.

Paul even said in Galatians 3 that The Gospel was preached to Abraham...

Gal 3:7-8
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
KJV

Thus we see that Paul's subject there regarding Abraham is about FAITH on The Gospel.

So WHY... would those you listen to and heed TRY to change that "faith" there with The Holy Spirit instead? Or did you just try to do that? And IF... you inserted that instead of the idea of the Promise by Faith (in The Gospel), that only tells me you REJECT what Apostle Paul said there in favor of keeping the Dispensationalists doctrines of men in your theology.
 

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I'll take a guess by your previous response to me, you did not take a look at Genesis 7.
Your guess would be incorrect.

And you offer no explanation as to Pre-Tbs idea that Noah was saved 7 days before wrath and thereby following that same pattern they put out, we should be saved 7 years before wrath:
Hey, bingo, you got it and I did not need to offer an explanation.
The fact that Pre-TB changes from a logical 7 years before wrath begins (as they interpret Noah was) to 7 years before the wrath is completed is an issue. It doesn't follow the logical pattern of Noah's historic view, but instead twists it.
I don't know what pre-tb thinks as I don't read what others say except on these boards. If that is true then yes it would be a problem. In light of that, we don't know when exactly the Church will be raptured before the 70th week of Daniel begins. All we can surmise is that the Church will be raptured 7 years before wrath.
Here are the verses Pre-TBers use.

Genesis 7:1 - The command given to begin entering the ark with the following;
Genesis 7:2-3 What needs to be taken into the ark
Genesis 7:4 - Noah was warned that in 7 days, the flood would come. He had 7 days to complete the entering in of all animals and food commanded by God.
Actually, I don't know what they use. I only know what the Word says.

Now the following verses:

10And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. 11In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

13In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

So what does the Word really say? It says that there was rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights. End of Story. NEW PARAGRAPH. It is not the self same day as forty days and forty nights.

Genesis
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.


13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
What do others say?

1. Observe that P represents the Flood as commencing on the same day (cf. Genesis 7:11) that Noah entered the ark. There is no account taken here of the interval of seven days, mentioned by J in Genesis 7:4; Genesis 7:10, preceding the catastrophe.

2. the entrance of Noah and his retinue into the ark, first in the command, next in the actual process during the seven days, and, lastly, in the completed act on the seventh day.

3. In the selfsame day on which the flood began by that terrible shower.

4. On the self-same day: on that day he had entered, had completed the entering, which occupied the seven days between the giving of the command (Genesis 7:4) and the commencement of the flood (Genesis 7:10).

Listen No Pre-TB. This is merely the blind leading the blind. Take another look.

Gen 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

The people you have listed are telling you that it took Noah 7 days to load the animals. But the Word says, in the selfsame day Noah, his family and ALL THE ANIMALS entered the ark. That would mean that it would be impossible for it to take 7 days to load the animals as they all loaded on the selfsame day. That should proof enough that the above people do not know what they are talking about.

I hope you will study this and look into it yourself. My problem is not with you. It is with the man's ideas being tossed around like scripture and the church is full of man's ideas that are untrue. No different than the Pharisees with their man-made traditions.
These are not man's ideas, it is the Word of God. God said enter the ark. Noah did as instructed.

Gen 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

This shows you that Noah and the animals entered the ark and then 7 days later, it flooded. I'm not sure what these other people are reading. How do you read past this.
Lot and Noah were both saved on the same day destruction came. On the last day. Otherwise, Luke 17 is kinda funny.

26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

If we assume it is 7 days before, then the wicked stopped eating, drinking, marriage also 7 days before wrath (when Pre-TB assumes Noah entered) which would mean the wicked KNEW wrath was coming...but that is impossible since they were surprised. Very illogical.

The Word says that Noah entered the ark with the animals on the selfsame day. Then it comes to pass after 7 days that the flood was upon the earth.

So, they were eating and drinking until the day that Noah entered the ark and that was 7 days before the flood, even as the Church will be in heaven 7 years before wrath.

As for days of Lot and the second harvest, the very day Lot left Sodom destruction came, even as destruction will come the very day 12 tribes are raptured from the earth.
 
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In light of that, we don't know when exactly the Church will be raptured before the 70th week of Daniel begins. All we can surmise is that the Church will be raptured 7 years before wrath.
And that quote is your stumbling block.

Let's hope you're not part of the crowd that thinks it'll happen by 2028....:eek:
 

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Though i am no pre tribber , i have one question , What on earth makes anyone think WE EVEN HAVE THAT LONG . Twenty twenty eight ,
That is about five and one half more years . YET i peek at this world and the SIGNS OF THE TIMES are saying THE COMING OF THE KING JESUS DRAWS EVER NIGH .
 
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Though i am no pre tribber , i have one question , What on earth makes anyone think WE EVEN HAVE THAT LONG . Twenty twenty eight ,
That is about five and one half more years . YET i peek at this world and the SIGNS OF THE TIMES are saying THE COMING OF THE KING JESUS DRAWS EVER NIGH .
Some think that because they say Israel is the fig tree and it spouted in 1948. Then add 70 years to that for 2018. Nothing happened then so they add 10 more for 80 years which is the max. That puts us at 2028. Nothing I believe in but obviously many strangely do.
 
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Some think that because they say Israel is the fig tree and it spouted in 1948. Then add 70 years to that for 2018. Nothing happened then so they add 10 more for 80 years which is the max. That puts us at 2028. Nothing I believe in but obviously many strangely do.
Those who don't accept 1948 as the parable of the fig tree are Preterist and they claim it all happened in 70AD. Literally everything. We are currently in eternity as everlasting sinners.

They already set a date and refuse to budge on that 70AD date.
 

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I'll take a guess by your previous response to me, you did not take a look at Genesis 7. And you offer no explanation as to Pre-Tbs idea that Noah was saved 7 days before wrath and thereby following that same pattern they put out, we should be saved 7 years before wrath: The fact that Pre-TB changes from a logical 7 years before wrath begins (as they interpret Noah was) to 7 years before the wrath is completed is an issue. It doesn't follow the logical pattern of Noah's historic view, but instead twists it.


Here are A FEW of the verses Pre-TBers use.

Gen 7:
[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
[2] Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
[3] Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
[5] And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
[6] And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
[7] And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
[8] Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
[9] There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
[10] And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
[11] In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
[12] And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
[13] In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
[14] They, and every beast after his kind,
and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
[15] And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
[16] And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
[17] And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
[18] And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
[19] And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
[20] Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
[21] And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
[22] All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
[23] And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
[24] And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

God commanded Noah, family, particular animals to enter the Ark.
They all entered as commanded.
God Shut the door to the Ark.
Seven days later rain fell from Heaven.
Two months later Rain increased and Water from below the earth rose upward.
The Ark rose upward 22+ feet above the mountain tops.
Consider the 51 feet height of the Ark...
The Top of the ark was reasonably 73 feet above the face of the waters.

Just a wild guess, but I’m imagining....(Just for starters)...rain comes forth out from clouds, clouds are above the mountains tops, and Noah, his family, select animals....
ARE SAVED From Gods Destruction UPON the face of the Earth
and ARE IN THE CLOUDS above the face of the Earth.

Sound familiar?
 

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[10] And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
[11] In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
[12] And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
[13] In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
[14] They, and every beast after his kind

You have already boldened the facts above.
1. After 7 days;
2. In the 600th year of Noah’s life the great deep was broken up;
3. The rain was upon the earth;
4. In the selfsame day entered Noah and his family into the ark;
5. Noah’s family and all the animals
6. They all went into the ark because;
7. The Lord shut him in

To change the idea above, you’d have to explain what selfsame day was verse 13 referring to. Sticking to context, it was when the rain came on that 7th day when Noah completed the entering of all animals and foods per God’s command.

As far as being lifted up to the clouds, I don’t hold any disagreement there my friend. The symbolism mimics being harpazo’d into the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

Btw, This notion above of the 7 days to complete the entering in is even found in some major Pre-TB authors books believe it or not. Not that it matters on this site. Every man will still believe whatever they feel like.
 

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Those who don't accept 1948 as the parable of the fig tree are Preterist and they claim it all happened in 70AD. Literally everything. We are currently in eternity as everlasting sinners.

They already set a date and refuse to budge on that 70AD date.
I don’t accept it and I’m not preterist. Guess we’ll find out in 2029? 1 year later right? I’ll be looking for all the apologies of those 2028 proponents littering various religious forums, but I won’t hold my breath they’ll repent of it.
 

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You have already boldened the facts above.
1. After 7 days;
2. In the 600th year of Noah’s life the great deep was broken up;
3. The rain was upon the earth;
4. In the selfsame day entered Noah and his family into the ark;
5. Noah’s family and all the animals
6. They all went into the ark because;
7. The Lord shut him in

To change the idea above, you’d have to explain what selfsame day was verse 13 referring to. Sticking to context, it was when the rain came on that 7th day when Noah completed the entering of all animals and foods per God’s command.

As far as being lifted up to the clouds, I don’t hold any disagreement there my friend. The symbolism mimics being harpazo’d into the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

Btw, This notion above of the 7 days to complete the entering in is even found in some major Pre-TB authors books believe it or not. Not that it matters on this site. Every man will still believe whatever they feel like.

Oh good grief, Noah, family, Animals all entered the Ark the SAME Seven Days Before the rain began to fall.

The RAIN, The FOUNTAINS of the Deep.....WERE EXPRESSLY intended to DESTROY THE EARTH and ALL inhabitants UPON the Face of the Earth..................BECAUSE OF GOD’S ANGER AGAINST the inhabitants UPON the Face of the Earth.

It is not some “secret mysterious understanding”....that THOSE upon the Face of the Earth.........THAT GOD WAS NOT ANGRY WITH....were LIFTED UP OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH, THAT “THEY” NOT Suffer Gods WRATH...”WHILE” God DESTROYED the FACE OF THE EARTH!

Nothing NEW under the Sun...WHAT WAS SHALL BE AGAIN.
Gods’ Anger...
Gods’ Wrath upon the Face of the Earth...
God LIFTING UP Off the Face of the Earth...THOSE GOD HAS and WILL SAVE from His DESTRUCTION.

Glory, Glory, Glory to the Lord God Almighty,
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You have already boldened the facts above.
1. After 7 days;
2. In the 600th year of Noah’s life the great deep was broken up;
3. The rain was upon the earth;
4. In the selfsame day entered Noah and his family into the ark;
5. Noah’s family and all the animals
6. They all went into the ark because;
7. The Lord shut him in

To change the idea above, you’d have to explain what selfsame day was verse 13 referring to. Sticking to context, it was when the rain came on that 7th day when Noah completed the entering of all animals and foods per God’s command.

I do not have to change anything.

Gen 7
[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
[2] Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
[3] Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

Now, Noah, his family, the animals Entered the Ark, will WAIT IN THE ARK, YET FOR SEVEN DAYS, THEN God will CAUSE the RAIN to fall.

[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
 

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Here are A FEW of the verses Pre-TBers use.

Gen 7:
[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
[2] Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
[3] Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
[5] And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
[6] And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
[7] And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
[8] Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
[9] There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
[10] And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
[11] In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
[12] And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
[13] In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
[14] They, and every beast after his kind,
and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
[15] And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
[16] And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
[17] And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
[18] And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
[19] And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
[20] Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
[21] And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
[22] All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
[23] And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
[24] And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

God commanded Noah, family, particular animals to enter the Ark.
They all entered as commanded.
God Shut the door to the Ark.
Seven days later rain fell from Heaven.
Two months later Rain increased and Water from below the earth rose upward.
The Ark rose upward 22+ feet above the mountain tops.
Consider the 51 feet height of the Ark...
The Top of the ark was reasonably 73 feet above the face of the waters.

Just a wild guess, but I’m imagining....(Just for starters)...rain comes forth out from clouds, clouds are above the mountains tops, and Noah, his family, select animals....
ARE SAVED From Gods Destruction UPON the face of the Earth
and ARE IN THE CLOUDS above the face of the Earth.

Sound familiar?
Two quick reminders . Get anyone and everyone you know OUT of the all inclusive we are one unity churches .
I tell us all the coming of JESUS draws nigh . And on that day all outside of the true ark , the BODY OF JESUS , will wail
as God pours down His wrath upon the world . We do NOT have the time folks think we do . Get folks back into bibles
and learning THAT JESUS fast .
 
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Two quick reminders . Get anyone and everyone you know OUT of the all inclusive we are one unity churches .
I tell us all the coming of JESUS draws nigh . And on that day all outside of the true ark , the BODY OF JESUS , will wail
as God pours down His wrath upon the world . We do NOT have the time folks think we do . Get folks back into bibles
and learning THAT JESUS fast .

* There are plenty SAYING...”I believe”...”I’m a Christian”....”I was Baptized emerged in Water”....”I was Christened Drizzled with Water”...”I joined this or that Church”....”I go to this or that Church”...”a Cleric said I am saved”....”my parents HAD me “water baptized”....
...............”ALL IS GOOD.......I’m Saved!”

*NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS JESUS’ ORDER OR WAY TO “RECEIVE” Gods GIFT of SALVATION NOW”!

The TIME IS at hand. The whole world has gone mad. People are hearing 24-7 propaganda FEAR MONGERING, Being OPPRESSED, Being THREATENED, Being KILLED.
People ARE Angry....GUESS WHAT? God IS ANGRY!
When Gods ANGER Waxes HOT...His WRATH WILL Rain Down From Heaven....AGAIN...as He DID once Before...AND Shall DO AGAIN.
And EVERY man upon the FACE OF THE EARTH, SHALL suffer His WRATH. (Except the Sealed 144,000).
AGAIN As IN Noah’s DAY, THE SAVED, SHALL NOT be appointed to suffer Gods WRATH, and SHALL be risen Up OFF the Face of the Earth.

MORE THAN EVER the churches should be PREACHING....
Jesus” ORDER and WAY, to “RECEIVE” Salvation NOW, and ESCAPE, The Terrible Wrath of God, Prepared for The Face of the Earth and it’s Occupants.

Glory, Glory, Glory, to our Great Lord God Almighty,
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I do not have to change anything.

Gen 7
[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
[2] Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
[3] Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

Now, Noah, his family, the animals Entered the Ark, will WAIT IN THE ARK, YET FOR SEVEN DAYS, THEN God will CAUSE the RAIN to fall.

[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
Yeah, sorry I don’t agree. Neither do countless numbers of theologians.
Hence the reason Christ compared the 2 similar events (Noah and Lot). I’m not ok with falsehood in scripture. I’d like to believe you feel the same way.
 
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Yeah, sorry I don’t agree. Neither do countless numbers of theologians.
Hence the reason Christ compared the 2 similar events (Noah and Lot).


That’s okay to disagree.
A countless number of unknown theologians do not persuade me.
Gods ORDER and WAY is explicit and exclusive.
I trust Gods ORDER and WAY, over and above men.

Noah’s day, saw the utter destruction of the Whole Earth.
Lot’s day, saw the destruction of a City.

Comparing Apples and Oranges.

Another day is coming, that will utter destroy the Earth.
* First Great Tribulation rained down from Heaven.
* Second and Last Great Tribulation to rain down from Heaven.

Comparing Apples and Apples.

Glory to God,
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That’s okay to disagree.
A countless number of unknown theologians do not persuade me.
Gods ORDER and WAY is explicit and exclusive.
I trust Gods ORDER and WAY, over and above men.

Noah’s day, saw the utter destruction of the Whole Earth.
Lot’s day, saw the destruction of a City.

Comparing Apples and Oranges.

Another day is coming, that will utter destroy the Earth.
* First Great Tribulation rained down from Heaven.
* Second and Last Great Tribulation to rain down from Heaven.

Comparing Apples and Apples.

Glory to God,
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As the world was first destroyed by water , SO too nigh the end it will be destroyed by fire .
A NEW HEAVENS and A NEW EARTH are A COMING . THAT IS THE DAY THAT THE LAMBS LOOK FORWARD TOO .
THE WRATH OF GOD IS VERY REAL . AND ITS COMING . As for the lambs we will be HID in CHRIST
Thus the message stands . POINT ALL that has breath to the one true JESUS in that bible and do so fast .
Cause no man knows the day nor the hour ........and by the signs of the times , THE COMING OF THE TRUE KING DRAWS NIGH .
The good news for the lambs is , WE GONNA BE HOME FOREVER WITH THE LORD one day . THE LORD IS OUR HOPE
and HE our salvation .