When did Daniel 7:13-14 happen?

[Marty fox]

The book of Daniel is "Prophetic", having events that will take place in the "Future"

Where in history has the second coming and final judgement taken place in history as seen below

Daniel 7:10-11KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

We have been over this many times I never said that verse 10 was in the past

 

[Hidden In Him]

Mmm. Far easier to say, its all in the future. That way the icky stuff to do with the papal Antichrist can be forgotten or ignored and all we have to worry about is some imaginary mythical anti super hero of the indefinite future.

Ok, LoL!

Maybe the problem is I run smack dab into icky stuff all the time, so by the time I get to you I'm all ickied out, Lol.

 

[Truth7t7]

Or this happened in the past during Daniels day like we see in the book of Daniel.

We need to remember that these books weren’t written to us they were written to past generations. They are for us but not written to us.

They were warnings to people of soon coming persecutions to give them hope and let them know that the faithful would prevail through them.

Marty I have noticed you give Scott likes on his denial of a future literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens

Marty do you also deny this future literal second coming as Scott does?

 

[Truth7t7]

We have been over this many times I never said that verse 10 was in the past

Marty you openly state Daniel isn't prophetic to our generation as your quote in post #134 below clearly shows, as you push the 70AD preterist narrative, stating the books were written as a warning of "Soon Coming" persecutions in past generations

Once again Daniel is prophetic to myself, Where in history has the second coming and final judgement taken place as seen below

Daniel 7:10-11KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Where in history has the "Consummation" or "Ultimate End" taken place in as seen below in Daniel 9:27, it's a future event unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Quote Marty Post #134 Below

Or this happened in the past during Daniels day like we see in the book of Daniel.

We need to remember that these books weren’t written to us they were written to past generations. They are for us but not written to us.

They were warnings to people of soon coming persecutions to give them hope and let them know that the faithful would prevail through them.

 

[Marty fox]

Marty I have noticed you give Scott likes on his denial of a future literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens

Marty do you also deny this future literal second coming as Scott does?

Of course its future but sorry I'm not sure which liked post you are meaning.

 

[ScottA]

Marty I have noticed you give Scott likes on his denial of a future literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens

Marty do you also deny this future literal second coming as Scott does?

Even your quotes are not accurate.

I did not say, no "literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens." That is just you quoting yourself, saying I deny what YOU believe.

What I have said, is what Paul said, that it is not a mass future event, but rather to "each one in his own order" (which, apparently you deny). And that if you mean that it is visible in this world by saying "literal", that is not biblical, because Jesus said it "is without observation" and "the world sees me no more."

 

[Marty fox]

Marty you openly state Daniel isn't prophetic to our generation as your quote in post #134 below clearly shows, as you push the 70AD preterist narrative, stating the books were written as a warning of "Soon Coming" persecutions in past generations

Once again Daniel is prophetic to myself, Where in history has the second coming and final judgement taken place as seen below

Daniel 7:10-11KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Where in history has the "Consummation" or "Ultimate End" taken place in history as seen below in Daniel 9:27, it's a future event unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Quote Marty Post #134 Below

Or this happened in the past during Daniels day like we see in the book of Daniel.

We need to remember that these books weren’t written to us they were written to past generations. They are for us but not written to us.

They were warnings to people of soon coming persecutions to give them hope and let them know that the faithful would prevail through them.

We have been over this many times before so its kind of redundant so once again I never said every thing is in the past like that verse 10 and the resurrection at the end of chapter 12

 

[covenantee]

Marty you openly state Daniel isn't prophetic to our generation as your quote in post #134 below clearly shows, as you push the 70AD preterist narrative, stating the books were written as a warning of "Soon Coming" persecutions in past generations

Once again Daniel is prophetic to myself, Where in history has the second coming and final judgement taken place as seen below

Daniel 7:10-11KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Where in history has the "Consummation" or "Ultimate End" taken place in as seen below in Daniel 9:27, it's a future event unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Quote Marty Post #134 Below

Or this happened in the past during Daniels day like we see in the book of Daniel.

We need to remember that these books weren’t written to us they were written to past generations. They are for us but not written to us.

They were warnings to people of soon coming persecutions to give them hope and let them know that the faithful would prevail through them.

Your "consummation" has been debunked previously. Merriam-Webster doesn't do Hebrew. Bro. Strong does:

Strong's Concordance
kalah: completion, complete destruction, consumption, annihilation

Such as what occurred in 70 AD.

 

[ScottA]

Where in history has the "Consummation" or "Ultimate End" taken place in as seen below in Daniel 9:27, it's a future event unfulfilled

“I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,” says the Lord God." Revelation 1:8

Jesus was and is the "Ultimate End." ...Do you deny this?

 

[Truth7t7]

Even your quotes are not accurate.

I did not say, no "literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens." That is just you quoting yourself, saying I deny what YOU believe.

What I have said, is what Paul said, that it is not a mass future event, but rather to "each one in his own order" (which, apparently you deny). And that if you mean that it is visible in this world by saying "literal", that is not biblical, because Jesus said it "is without observation" and "the world sees me no more."

Scott you openly deny a future literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, where human eyes upon this earth will witness the event

Scott I fully understand your claims in item #3 below, that is a open denial of a future literal, visible, coming of Jesus in the heavens, witnessed by human eyes upon earth

You can repeat yourself till the sun don't shine, it's in bold red below for all to see and read

Revelation 1:7KJV
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Quote Scott, Post # 111 Below

1. Yes, every eye sees Jesus coming in the clouds, which is to say, in the spirit after the resurrection.
2. The second coming according to Paul is "each one in his own order."
3. Your next question about a literal, presumably worldly visible 2nd coming, is not biblical, as Christ said, "the kingdom of God does not come by observation." Thus, it is a spiritual event, that is, an event that is in the presence of God whom is spirit...the only possible way that every eye can see.

 

[Truth7t7]

“I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,” says the Lord God." Revelation 1:8

Jesus was and is the "Ultimate End." ...Do you deny this?

Jesus Christ will usher in the (Ultimate End) a future event unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(The Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[ScottA]

Scott you openly deny a future literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, where human eyes upon this earth will witness the event

Yes, as do the scriptures.

Do you deny that quoting Jesus, the scriptures say "not by observation" and "the world sees me no more?"

 

[Truth7t7]

We have been over this many times before so its kind of redundant so once again I never said every thing is in the past like that verse 10 and the resurrection at the end of chapter 12

Marty you clearly state "These Books" and mention the book of "Daniel" and claim it was written to past generations on warnings of "Soon Coming" persecutions

Marty You aren't going to erase your claims below as if it didn't take place, your claims below are "Wrong", the book of Daniel is prophetic on future events that are unfulfilled

Quote Marty Post #134 Below

Or this happened in the past during Daniels day like we see in the book of Daniel.

We need to remember that these books weren’t written to us they were written to past generations. They are for us but not written to us.

They were warnings to people of soon coming persecutions to give them hope and let them know that the faithful would prevail through them.

 

[ScottA]

Scott you openly deny a future literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, where human eyes upon this earth will witness the event

Scott I fully understand your claims in item #3 below, that is a open denial of a future literal, visible, coming of Jesus in the heavens, witnessed by human eyes upon earth

You can repeat yourself till the sun don't shine, it's in bold red below for all to see and read

Revelation 1:7KJV
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Quote Scott, Post # 111 Below

1. Yes, every eye sees Jesus coming in the clouds, which is to say, in the spirit after the resurrection.
2. The second coming according to Paul is "each one in his own order."
3. Your next question about a literal, presumably worldly visible 2nd coming, is not biblical, as Christ said, "the kingdom of God does not come by observation." Thus, it is a spiritual event, that is, an event that is in the presence of God whom is spirit...the only possible way that every eye can see.

Ha!

Indeed it is--just as the scriptures say. And also in writing is your confession of error and misunderstanding of the scriptures you quote, as believing those events to be before men rather than before God, that is in the world rather than in the kingdom.

You have spoken it.

 

[Truth7t7]

Of course its future but sorry I'm not sure which liked post you are meaning.

You gave Scott a "Like" on post #111 seen below, in his denial of a future literal, visible, coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

Quote Scott, Post # 111 Below

1. Yes, every eye sees Jesus coming in the clouds, which is to say, in the spirit after the resurrection.
2. The second coming according to Paul is "each one in his own order."
3. Your next question about a literal, presumably worldly visible 2nd coming, is not biblical, as Christ said, "the kingdom of God does not come by observation." Thus, it is a spiritual event, that is, an event that is in the presence of God whom is spirit...the only possible way that every eye can see.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus Christ will usher in the (Ultimate End) a future event unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(The Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

This too is error and misunderstanding of what you quote. Of which you have shown no desire to know the truth of, but prefer the foretold lie and delusion.

So be it. So shall it be written.

 

[ScottA]

You gave Scott a "Like" on post #111 seen below, in his denial of a future literal, visible, coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

Quote Scott, Post # 111 Below

1. Yes, every eye sees Jesus coming in the clouds, which is to say, in the spirit after the resurrection.
2. The second coming according to Paul is "each one in his own order."
3. Your next question about a literal, presumably worldly visible 2nd coming, is not biblical, as Christ said, "the kingdom of God does not come by observation." Thus, it is a spiritual event, that is, an event that is in the presence of God whom is spirit...the only possible way that every eye can see.

Woe!

Now you do it to Him. Matthew 25:40

 

[Marty fox]

You gave Scott a "Like" on post #111 seen below, in his denial of a future literal, visible, coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

Quote Scott, Post # 111 Below

1. Yes, every eye sees Jesus coming in the clouds, which is to say, in the spirit after the resurrection.
2. The second coming according to Paul is "each one in his own order."
3. Your next question about a literal, presumably worldly visible 2nd coming, is not biblical, as Christ said, "the kingdom of God does not come by observation." Thus, it is a spiritual event, that is, an event that is in the presence of God whom is spirit...the only possible way that every eye can see.

I don't reject a literal second coming but that verse from revelation chapter 1 is a coming in judgement against Israel in 70AD

 

[Truth7t7]

Ha!

Indeed it is--just as the scriptures say. And also in writing is your confession of error and misunderstanding of the scriptures you quote, as believing those events to be before men rather than before God, that is in the world rather than in the kingdom.

You have spoken it.

Romans 16:17KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

 

[ScottA]

Romans 16:17KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Yes, this is why I said, So shall it be written.