I’m certain of it.
Do you feel the same way about WWJD?
That’s why I didn’t put quotation marks around my words.
Who Do You Worship?
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I’m certain of it.
Do you feel the same way about WWJD?
That’s why I didn’t put quotation marks around my words.
It depends on how you arrive at your answers. Scripture should guide our thinking and reasoning. It's like, I'm not wondering What Would Jesus Say, He already is speaking to me, so the question really is, what IS Jesus saying to me?
And in like manner, What Would Jesus Do? What IS Jesus doing? What does it mean to my living right now that I am to live in trust in Jesus, and loving others? What would Jesus do? What am I to do? What do I already know that God wants me to do?
If WWJD is a cerebral exercise, that's all it is. If it's a Scriptural and spiritual search to find the life we have in Christ, press on!
Much love!
I worship, love and live in the grace of the Ancient of Days, the Creator, the " I am ", the One and Only God, the Beginning,the End, the Alpha and the Omega, the Author and Finisher of my faith, my Saviour and Redeemer,my Lord and Master; this is whom I worship !
You may deny, split my Lord into parts ,and call Him by another name but I know in whom I have believed.
None can change nor take away my belief in the el shaddai of my soul.
You may deny, split my Lord into parts ,and call Him by another name but I know in whom I have believed.
None can change nor take away my belief in the el shaddai of my soul.
Hi @L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d I do like that hymn 'Immortal, invisible, God only wise' which mentions the Ancient of Days.....
(I think you mentioned also that the El Shaddai title might be the basis for your next tattoo, or one of them, I should say.)
Yes , I can see it in my mind when I get ready to imprint it on my skin as well as it resides in my heart ❤
@marks Well.....if ppl really do wish to answer the question in WWJD, they have a ready way of finding out: search the Scriptures prayerfully.......
@L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d This one was a favorite of a friend of mine; he passed a while ago (seems like not a few friends have the 'habit' of passing...)
It was my mom's favorite that and the Old Rugged Cross. She passed in 93 @ 56 yo.
I have so far outlived my family except for a daughter, a sister of 7 siblings ,3 grands,2 greats and several nieces and nephews.
Aunty Jane
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So only what you read in the newspaper.....I thought so....Here's the news item again, it seems clear enough..
Oh good grief.....are you serious?And as I said before, God had to warn people to lay off meat for a while in Old T times because there was probably livestock disease going around, but later the all-clear was given, now go out and buy yourself a nice juicy steak and tuck in..
"On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common." (Acts of the Apostles 10:1-14)
Please go and do some Bible study......you have no idea what you are talking about....
Peter’s vision had nothing to do with food.....he was giving Peter a pictorial example of how Gentiles, once considered “unclean”, (spiritually speaking) were now going to be accepted into the Christian congregation. Shortly thereafter Peter was sent to the home of Cornelius, the first Gentile to be accepted as a Christian without first converting to Judaism.
You,ve heard the saying, “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”? It’s dangerous because it gives people ideas that are completely inaccurate.
Aunty Jane
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It's hard for any trinitarian to comprehend that Jesus as both a man and as a spirit being (which he was before his earthly mission) worshipped the one he called his "God".....that is what you do when someone is your God....you worship them....no?
John 20:17....
When Mary Magdalene first recognized the resurrected Jesus....."Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’” (NASB)
Jesus has a God (the one he worships) on earth AND in heaven. His God is our God, and his Father is "Our Father" as any Christian who has ever prayed the Lord's prayer has to know.
His "brothers" are his disciples who all worship the same God as he does. (2 Corinthians 8:5-6) He is not the 'father' of his own 'brothers'.
After his return to heaven, Jesus gave the Revelation to John, which he said was from "God". (Revelation 1:1) "God" gave the revelation to Jesus who then gave an angel the assignment to deliver it to John. There is the chain of command. (1 Corinthians 11:3)
In Revelation 3:12, Jesus said...
"The one who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name." (NASB)
Jesus referred to his Father as "my God" four times in that one verse. Jesus also speaks of his "own new name", which scripture confirms he has many names according to the role he is fulfilling. Yahweh has only one name. (Deuteronomy 6:4; Psalm 83:18)
Jesus spoke of his new name in Philippians 2:9-11, where it is acknowledged that after the success of his faithful mission on earth, his Father rewarded him.....
"For this reason also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (NASB)
Several questions are raised in these verses......If Jesus was God....how, after his return to heaven, can he be "highly exalted" and "given a name that is above every name"? If he was God, there is no personage greater, or name higher than what he already has. (Psalm 83:18 KJV)
When it says that "at the name of Jesus every knee will bow" is that an act of worship? NO! it is an act of obeisance, as it was in every other instance of Jesus being "worshipped". Bowing in respect is not necessarily worship as the scriptures show.
No angel or man would worship someone who is not Yahweh. Not once in all of scripture is Jesus called Yahweh.
And "every tongue" confessing that "Jesus is Lord" is not confessing that he is "God", but acknowledging that he is God's son "to the glory of God the Father"....Jesus' whole mission was to glorify his Father, not himself.
You miss all the vital words "written for our instruction", blinded by Christendom's fake doctrines and therefore failing to worship the same God as Jesus and his first century disciples did. There is someone causing that blindness. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
Dropship
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Get some juicy sausages inside you, you don't know what you're missing..
"Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.
“Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet." (Matthew 22:1-4)
“Jesus was born a Jew (Matthew 1:1-17; Galatians 4:4; John 4:22), and as such, from the perspective of Jesus’ humanity, related to God through the law which Moses gave in the Old Testament (Galatians 4:4). To that extent, He didn’t worship Judaism, but He worshipped the God of Judaism - the God who revealed Himself at the Exodus as ‘I Am’ or ‘Yahweh’ (generally written in English Bibles as “The LORD”) (Exodus 3:14).”
(James Steer, “What religion did Jesus worship?”)
What religion did Jesus worship?
There’s a lot I agree with in this trinitarian author’s statement. I find it very persuasive.
In fact, minus the minor twinge of trinitarianism, I could happily agree with everything in this quote.
When a trinitarian tell us that “Jesus didn’t worship” or “Jesus didn’t worship the God of Judaism” remember that it is a personal position of that person, not the position of trinitarianism or all trinitarians.
(James Steer, “What religion did Jesus worship?”)
What religion did Jesus worship?
There’s a lot I agree with in this trinitarian author’s statement. I find it very persuasive.
In fact, minus the minor twinge of trinitarianism, I could happily agree with everything in this quote.
When a trinitarian tell us that “Jesus didn’t worship” or “Jesus didn’t worship the God of Judaism” remember that it is a personal position of that person, not the position of trinitarianism or all trinitarians.
DuckieLady
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Why can't Jesus be the son of God, and be God, and still have a father who is God?It's hard for any trinitarian to comprehend that Jesus as both a man and as a spirit being (which he was before his earthly mission) worshipped the one he called his "God".....that is what you do when someone is your God....you worship them....no?
John 20:17....
When Mary Magdalene first recognized the resurrected Jesus....."Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’” (NASB)
Jesus has a God (the one he worships) on earth AND in heaven. His God is our God, and his Father is "Our Father" as any Christian who has ever prayed the Lord's prayer has to know.
His "brothers" are his disciples who all worship the same God as he does. (2 Corinthians 8:5-6) He is not the 'father' of his own 'brothers'.
After his return to heaven, Jesus gave the Revelation to John, which he said was from "God". (Revelation 1:1) "God" gave the revelation to Jesus who then gave an angel the assignment to deliver it to John. There is the chain of command. (1 Corinthians 11:3)
In Revelation 3:12, Jesus said...
"The one who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name." (NASB)
Jesus referred to his Father as "my God" four times in that one verse. Jesus also speaks of his "own new name", which scripture confirms he has many names according to the role he is fulfilling. Yahweh has only one name. (Deuteronomy 6:4; Psalm 83:18)
Jesus spoke of his new name in Philippians 2:9-11, where it is acknowledged that after the success of his faithful mission on earth, his Father rewarded him.....
"For this reason also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (NASB)
Several questions are raised in these verses......If Jesus was God....how, after his return to heaven, can he be "highly exalted" and "given a name that is above every name"? If he was God, there is no personage greater, or name higher than what he already has. (Psalm 83:18 KJV)
When it says that "at the name of Jesus every knee will bow" is that an act of worship? NO! it is an act of obeisance, as it was in every other instance of Jesus being "worshipped". Bowing in respect is not necessarily worship as the scriptures show.
No angel or man would worship someone who is not Yahweh. Not once in all of scripture is Jesus called Yahweh.
And "every tongue" confessing that "Jesus is Lord" is not confessing that he is "God", but acknowledging that he is God's son "to the glory of God the Father"....Jesus' whole mission was to glorify his Father, not himself.
You miss all the vital words "written for our instruction", blinded by Christendom's fake doctrines and therefore failing to worship the same God as Jesus and his first century disciples did. There is someone causing that blindness. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
You have a family; in it you are family.
I don't really understand why everything needs to make sense in human understanding in organic world terms. God isn't limited by our perception and understanding of how things work.
In fact, I suspect when you get to heaven, that a lot of your understanding of reality will melt away.
Exodus 3:14
14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
Revelation 22:12
12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
Hi @LadyofFireandLace God in Three Persons is deeply present in Scripture, indeed..............
And there came one of the scribes who had heard them disputing together. He perceived that Jesus had answered them well, and asked him, “Which is the first of all the commandments?”
Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength. This is the first commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these.”
And the scribe said to him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth: that there is one God, and that there is none but he. And to love him with all the heart, and with all the mind, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is greater than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”
And after that, no one dared ask him any question.
(Mark 12:28-34, NMB)
An encounter between two Jews.
Did Jesus himself obey the two greatest commandments which he and the scribe were in agreement on?
Did Jesus and the scribe love the God of Judaism?
Is expressing love of the God of Judaism an act of worship?
Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength. This is the first commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these.”
And the scribe said to him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth: that there is one God, and that there is none but he. And to love him with all the heart, and with all the mind, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is greater than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”
And after that, no one dared ask him any question.
(Mark 12:28-34, NMB)
An encounter between two Jews.
Did Jesus himself obey the two greatest commandments which he and the scribe were in agreement on?
Did Jesus and the scribe love the God of Judaism?
Is expressing love of the God of Judaism an act of worship?
Brakelite
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Scripture has been presented to show the Father calling His Son, God.
The Son stated He and the Father are one.
We know they are one in character, and I'm purpose, similar to how we also maybe one in them.
What we are not told is how they are one in relationship. In personality, clearly 2. But in divine DNA, as a Son proceeding from the Father, that is a mystery that had not been shared with us. However, we have not been left in total ignorance. My son is a human man. What is so difficult in believing God's Son is a divine Being?
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