The Day of The Lord, Wrong Timing Applied

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We have run about the bush enough, the horse is dead, I Strongly Disagree!
Actually, "the horse" remains to be truly alive.
There is not one written Scripture in all the KJV Bible, that is against what I have said. In fact I can find even the more to support it, of which I have not even mentioned or alluded to here. There is so much for it, that it is actually almost overwhelming to take it in. For example, the day of the Lord, described by the OT prophets, is spoken without their discernment, of knowing what was to take place by the Lord, or WHEN. But now that we do have the mind of Christ, WE CAN KNOW!

Fortunately for us, though many religious tares have had their say and have swayed many away from the doctrine of the Gospel of Christ, and into the doctrines of men, His truth (all of it) is still available, but by His Spirit ONLY. John 16:13.
For example: Matthew 24[5] For many shall come in my name, saying, "[that] I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Do you see the depth and true meaning of that verse? It's NOT a few shall come. It's the many "tares" who have come in His Name, and are rampant with there preaching and self authored books, and still are.
 
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Furthermore, men's theory of Amillennialism is allied with the OCCULT.

The doctrines of Amillennialism are behind the 'Kingdom Now' movement. These men believe that Jesus left the job of creating of His Kingdom on earth in TODAY'S WORLD, and they actually believe ALL peoples will eventually convert to Jesus Christ FOR TODAY'S PRESENT WORLD TIME. That idea of course is no where written in God's Word, but it IS... an idea the one-world globalists Occult followers are very serious about, as their god they worship is Lucifer, and they want to prepare Lucifer's kingdom on this earth for our near future.

And that is exactly what God is allowing them to do, for THIS PRESENT WORLD. This is why Lord Jesus is coming to END the coming "great tribulation" time He forewarned us about, and will destroy that false one who will attempt to play God in Jerusalem.

And that... is why Amillennialism is revealed to be a GNOSTIC DOCTRINE from the old pagan Occultists.
Such thinking, as in the referenced definitions below, is NOT to be misconstrued or intermixed with the clarity of God's thoughts and ways of God, THROUGH the Holy Spirit's work within us, of revealing God's TRUTH to us by His divine Spirit, through His words John 16:13.

You are clearly implying that Jesus' directive for us, to seek and allow for His spiritual "guidance" is evil. To do so, is to put yourself on thin ice!!!
Be very careful of what you are claiming against others, who ARE born again in the Lord, who seriously do HEAR the mind of Christ, along with those who are new in the Lord, that are trying to HEAR the mind of Christ within them.
There is absolutely NOTHING evil about that!!
1 Corinthians 2:13.

Definition of gnosticism
: the thought and practice especially of various cults of late pre-Christian and early Christian centuries distinguished by the conviction that matter is evil and that emancipation comes through gnosis.
Examples of gnosis in a Sentence
Recent Examples on the WebAnother noted Alexandrian thinker was Valentinus, whose interpretation of Christianity required believers to embrace divine knowledge—in Greek, gnosis.— National Geographic, 19 Apr. 2019
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Definition of emancipate
transitive verb
1: to free from restraint, control, or the power of another, especially : to free from bondage
2: to release from parental care and responsibility and make sui juris

3: to free from any controlling influence (such as traditional mores or beliefs).
> Also known as- the wisdom and doctrines of men.
1 Corinthians 2:5
 
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Religion (the tares) may be looking for a One world government on earth, but born again Christians, who ARE living and walking in His Spirit, KNOW without a shadow of doubt, that when Jesus suddenly APPEARS in all is Immortal Glory of flaming fire, the entirety of this world and the earth itself will be a Lake of Fire, whereby everything in it will be engulfed in molten lava, and be totally dissolved.
Actually I see scripture teaching that the Lord returns in fire and all men will be judged by it 1 Corinthians 3:13, the righteous pass through this fire receiving glorified bodies, and the wicked are caught in it (Lake Of Fire) all in the twinkling of an eye
 

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Actually, "the horse" remains to be truly alive.
There is not one written Scripture in all the KJV Bible, that is against what I have said. In fact I can find even the more to support it, of which I have not even mentioned or alluded to here. There is so much for it, that it is actually almost overwhelming to take it in. For example, the day of the Lord, described by the OT prophets, is spoken without their discernment, of knowing what was to take place by the Lord, or WHEN. But now that we do have the mind of Christ, WE CAN KNOW!

Fortunately for us, though many religious tares have had their say and have swayed many away from the doctrine of the Gospel of Christ, and into the doctrines of men, His truth (all of it) is still available, but by His Spirit ONLY. John 16:13.
For example: Matthew 24[5] For many shall come in my name, saying, "[that] I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Do you see the depth and true meaning of that verse? It's NOT a few shall come. It's the many "tares" who have come in His Name, and are rampant with there preaching and self authored books, and still are.
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I tell ya brethren, my IGNORE LIST is just getting bigger and bigger!
No need for a big announcement, the truth has been presented before your eyes, and has been on ignore for months

You want to go to the Millennial Kingdom of Oz, and the space ship Star Trek is out of gas to get you there, in a far distant place in the land of frogs and fairy tales
 

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Actually I see scripture teaching that the Lord returns in fire and all men will be judged by it 1 Corinthians 3:13, the righteous pass through this fire receiving glorified bodies, and the wicked are caught in it (Lake Of Fire) all in the twinkling of an eye
I might agree to that, if you include the verses of 11- 15.
For anyone's works to be preserved or destroyed, and still be saved, they must first be born again of His Spirit (Romans 8:8-9). Our works, without having faith in the foundation of Christ's work for our salvation, is what the parabolic "foolish virgins" were attempting do in Matthew 25. All of such will be caught in the LoF, as you say.
 
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Only for so long. We all are growing in Christ. Some more so than others, for reasons of how often we allow the mind of Christ to speak to us. Our own natural mind, likes to stop along the way and entertain itself with other things, wasting time.
 
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KJV Luke.17[20] And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with [visual] observation:

Strong's Number - G3907
"Observation"
Greek: παρατήρησις
Transliteration: paratērēsis
Pronunciation: par-at-ay'-ray-sis
Definition: From G3906; inspection that is ocular evidence: - observation.
KJV Usage: observation (1x).
Occurs: 1
In verses: 1

So then, let's review the "comings" of the Lord:
1. In the visible flesh.
2. In the invisible Spirit.
3. In His visible Immortality.
In which of the above, does the KoG come without visual observation?

Edit: here is a clue, although it might not be to everyone's understanding or likeing, a prophet who spoke
vividly by the Lord's mind of Pentecost, and the many years to follow, during the figurative 1000 years in this present Age of God's Grace:
KJV Joel 2[28] And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
[29] And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
[32] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Did the above prophecy come to pass? Yes, it most assuredly did, and is known of as
the Day of Pentecost.
Though some think it to be ONLY a "flash in the pan" with the Apostles at that time, they blatantly neglect to see that it was for all generations of people to come AFTER. Verses 28-29.
It was the beginning of "The Great Commission", for the preaching of the Gospel of Christ, to the whole world. It quite literally is the figurative 1000 years, whereby all the world is now confronted with the question: "What shall I do about Jesus The Christ?"

Therefore, according to the prophet Joel, ever since Pentecost, ALL are and have been, in "the valley of decision".
KJV Joel 3[14] Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near* in the valley of decision.

*Note: "near" H7138- at hand, is next.
 
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Have you all never studied the first part of the Lord's prayer, by the Mind of Christ within you?
Matthew 6[9] After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
[10] Thy kingdom COME. Thy WILL be done IN earth, as it is [being done] IN heaven [with the holy angels]......

"Compare" that with:
KJV 2Cor.4[7] But we have this [His] treasure [of His Holy Spirit] IN earthen vessels [our mortal bodies], that the excellency of the power [of Christ's resurrection] may be OF God, and NOT of us.
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So now (quite literally), what's going on with:
KJV
Luke.17[21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is [to be] within you.
Or for that matter:
KJV John.14[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him [no "observation" whatsoever]:
BUT ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and
shall be in you.

Question: where was "the Spirit of truth", when Jesus spoke those words?
1. Floating around outside the disciples.
2. In the KoG, in heaven, waiting to come down.
3. Within Jesus.
4. In the birds, animals, stones and all things.
Ans. #3

Is Jesus within you, and you in Him?
I most assuredly hope so!!
If not, then the latter part of Romans 8:8-9 will directly apply to your life.

Now, back to the latter parts of Luke 17:21 and John 14:17.
Now, the real question, that church-ianty never gets the truth of it correct:
Who is the KoG, aka the KoH??
 
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So now, having said all that in my previous two posts, I ask you all: where does God the Father and God the Son desire to dwell for all eternity?
1. On a New global earth with us.
2. On this global earth, remodeled and refurbished back to it's former state.
3. Within the earthen bodies of His immortalized Saints.
4. In our resurrected spirits, and taken up into heaven.

Clue:
John.14[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
What does that mean?

Heb.13[5] Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
Ans. #3
 
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1. Yes!
2. Yes!
3. Yes!
4. Yes! So NOW WHAT?
5. Jesus is STILL now, ever since Pentecost, COMING to us by His Holy Spirit, being in all truth and reality, His SECOND Coming!!
It's not my fault, that He is still coming to each of us, and that "the religious, the pharisaical" of church-'ianity has messed it up, and became short sighted, losing sight of it almost altogether.
6. So what's next on God's calendar in Heaven?
He is waiting for the time upto the point when no more shall come to Him in repentance through Jesus.
7. In that day, He shall END His Age of Grace ("cut it short in righteousness"), and send Jesus in His THIRD and FINAL Coming, in all His fiery immortality to gather the wicked for destruction, and to redeem all His Saints, whose names are written IN HIM,
who IS the Book of Life Himself.


And all those first century redeemed currently have incorruptible, physical, bodies in Paradise, and have had those physical bodies for over 1900 years.
 

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And all those first century redeemed currently have incorruptible, physical, bodies in Paradise, and have had those physical bodies for over 1900 years.
Do you have scripture that reveals that?
Ever since Pentecost, aren't we ALL still waiting for Jesus' final appearance, in the Glory of His Immortality, in flaming fire from Heaven?
1 Corinthians 15[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
 
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And all those first century redeemed currently have incorruptible, physical, bodies in Paradise, and have had those physical bodies for over 1900 years.
Those who came out of the Graves in the 1st century were "Raised From The Dead" just as Lazarus and Tabitha were

The resurrection and glorified body to be received is "Future" that will take place at the coming of Jesus Christ, as earburner clearly explains above in post #333
 
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Ever since Pentecost, aren't we ALL still waiting for Jesus' final appearance, in the Glory of His Immortality, in flaming fire from Heaven?
1 Corinthians 15[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
While all of that is true, no, all are not waiting.

If we did not hear the angels sing, we should have. If we do not realize that Jesus has come in glory, that glory of the Father (which is spirit) when we opened the door to Him; that the flames of fire from Heaven are the Holy Spirit as promised; that in that moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the trump of Him who is called the Last, that we were indeed raised incorruptible and were changed forever. That it was even explained by Paul that "we who are alive" forevermore "and remain" until the end of our flesh, remain until that moment no one knows except the Father. That just as Jesus was raised in the flesh to walk the earth forty days before His ascension, we too walk out our days even with the marks of our sins as He did.

Jesus said to him, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me. Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?” John 21:23​
 

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If we did not hear the angels sing, we should have. If we do not realize that Jesus has come in glory, that glory of the Father (which is spirit) when we opened the door to Him; that the flames of fire from Heaven are the Holy Spirit as promised; that in that moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the trump of Him who is called the Last, that we were indeed raised incorruptible and were changed forever. That it was even explained by Paul that "we who are alive" forevermore "and remain" until the end of our flesh, remain until that moment no one knows except the Father. That just as Jesus was raised in the flesh to walk the earth forty days before His ascension, we too walk out our days even with the marks of our sins as He did.

Jesus said to him, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me. Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?” John 21:23​
Your interpretation is "laughable" in my opinion, as you desperately try to erase the Lord's future coming in fire and final judgment through symbolic allegory "Distortion Of Truth"!

The flames of fire from heaven is the Holy Spirit?

"Complete Distortion Of Biblical Truth" seen below, it will be "Literal Fire" and destruction (The End)


Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)


2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
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Your interpretation is "laughable" in my opinion, as you desperately try to erase the Lord's future coming in fire and final judgment through symbolic allegory "Distortion Of Truth"!

The flames of fire from heaven is the Holy Spirit?

"Complete Distortion Of Biblical Truth" seen below, it will be "Literal Fire" and destruction (The End)


Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)


2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
So much for your "opinion."

When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2:1-4​
 
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So much for you "opinion."

When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2:1-4​
Your "Symbolic Allegory" Is A Complete Distortion Of God's Truth, As You Try Desperately To Remove The Lord's "Future" Coming In Literal Fire And Final Judgement (The End)
 
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While all of that is true, no, all are not waiting.

If we did not hear the angels sing, we should have. If we do not realize that Jesus has come in glory, that glory of the Father (which is spirit) when we opened the door to Him; that the flames of fire from Heaven are the Holy Spirit as promised; that in that moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the trump of Him who is called the Last, that we were indeed raised incorruptible and were changed forever. That it was even explained by Paul that "we who are alive" forevermore "and remain" until the end of our flesh, remain until that moment no one knows except the Father. That just as Jesus was raised in the flesh to walk the earth forty days before His ascension, we too walk out our days even with the marks of our sins as He did.

Jesus said to him, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me. Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?” John 21:23​
I am part and partial to your thinking, except for one thing, the work of God's salvation towards us and that of our redemption, is a two stage process.

The first stage is our salvation:

Jesus said: "Ye MUST be born again".
We who are Born again by His Spirit, have received the Spirit of Christ now, and indeed we are spiritually risen with Christ.
Along with that, we have received the Righteousness of God, with His Gift of Eternal Life 1 John 5:12-13. But, as for Jesus, He is more than just Spirit, He was also made after the likeness of our flesh, but after His Resurrection, He is now in His New Life of Spirit, Immortal flesh and bone, but without blood.
Therefore, we would be incomplete, if we were resurrected being only Spirit. But as the scriptures say, we will be resurrected after His likeness, of His Immortality.

The second stage is our redemption:
Jesus is now both Spirit and Glorified flesh, and ALL WE, whether alive or dead, are still waiting to be glorified in the likeness of His Immortality.

For all, who have been spiritually risen in Christ (born again), but have physically died in faith, they are now spiritually with God, being asleep in Jesus, waiting for His Final and fiery appearance, to be Glorified into the likeness of Christ's immortality.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10
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7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming [G5395- Blazing] fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
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10] When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

See also Luke 17:28-30 for support scriptures:
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28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
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29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed THEM ALL.
[30] Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
 
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