The Day of The Lord, Wrong Timing Applied

[ScottA]

Seems only centered and limited to a few people alive on earth, instead of billions already in Paradise.

This is a true statement...but many will not understand. This is like that saying from Jesus: "Before Abraham was I am." As those who do not understand would say, "Which is it, which do you mean--do you mean before, or now?"

Thus, "already in Paradise" should be understood as: Those who have already left this world as Paul explained our leaving to be "each one in his own order", have already passed on.

As Paul also explained: "We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord." 2 Corinthians 5:8 Which is to say that the convergence from time to eternity, is only chronological up unto that point.​

 

[ScottA]

Jesus, after His Resurrection, is both physical flesh, (unsustained by blood), and spiritual (sustained by His Holy Spirit), which is the fulness of His Immortality (perfection).
John.20[19] Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

No, but only for a time. Which time was a foreshadowing of the church age, the times of His body given to them:

Luke 22:19
And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”​

 

[Earburner]

The soul of a dead person returns to God who made it. Eccl 12:7 There is no consciousness after death until we all stand before God in Judgement. Revelation 20:11-15 AFTER the Millennium.

That is actually so for the unsaved, but as for the born again saints, Jesus said we shall never die.

What many Christians don't seem to fully grasp, is that we are given the Gift of eternal life immediately, upon our acceptance of Christ's sacrifice for us, through the Gift of the Holy Spirit. 1 John 5:12-13. Christians are no longer condemned, however the unsaved without Christ, are condemned already. John 3:18.

 

[Timtofly]

What did you think has been going on ever since Pentecost, upto today?
2. In His Spirit-present:
Joel 3[14] Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Matthew 24[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
All who have died in faith, in their mortal flesh, are in paradise and are asleep in Jesus, being of the Holy Spirit only. They are still waiting to be made into the likeness of Christ's immortality.
Romans 6[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
> Jesus was spiritually and physically resurrected.
1 John 3[2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Certainly not a Second Coming.

This is the fulness of the Gentiles. It is the growth and harvest of the NT church.

 

[Earburner]

No, but only for a time. Which time was a foreshadowing of the church age, the times of His body given to them:

Luke 22:19
And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”​

Acts 1[9] And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
[10] And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
[11] Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Jesus ascended into heaven physically visible, and He shall descend from heaven physically visible.

 

[Earburner]

Certainly not a Second Coming.

This is the fulness of the Gentiles. It is the growth and harvest of the NT church.

Pharisaical Church-ianity dropped the ball along time ago, and has been duping Christians in all denominations for years.
Let me know when God the Father and God the Son STOP coming to people for the Gift of God's salvation, John 14:23, because when He does, then shall the end come, His sudden third and FINAL coming.
Edit:
Even to this day, Jesus does know of the time of His return, but the Father only. Matthew 24:35-36.
Please notice what KJV Joel 3 says:[14] Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near [next to come] IN [during] the valley of decision.
"He will cut it short in [His] Righteousness". Romans 9:26-28
Which is to say: that "The Day of The Lord" shall come suddenly and unexpectedly.

Because no one knows when this Age of God's Grace shall end, but the Father only, on His decision alone, the Father will send His Son, in all His Immortal Glory, for the third and last time.

 

[Earburner]

Certainly not a Second Coming.

This is the fulness of the Gentiles. It is the growth and harvest of the NT church.

So then the Holy Spirit is not involved with God the Father and God the Son coming to us, to make their dwelling place within us? John 14:23

 

[Timtofly]

Pharisaical Church-ianity dropped the ball along time ago, and has been duping Christians in all denominations for years.
Let me know when God the Father and God the Son STOP coming to people for the Gift of God's salvation, John 14:23, because when He does, then shall the end come, His sudden third and FINAL coming.

You said it:

Jesus ascended into heaven physically visible, and He shall descend from heaven physically visible.

Then you switch it up, and add a different type of coming.

I am not against either type. You limit it to 3 times, not me.

So then the Holy Spirit is not involved with God the Father and God the Son coming to us, to make their dwelling place within us? John 14:23

Only one Second Coming. There are many comings of God to earth.

 

[Keraz]

That is actually so for the unsaved, but as for the born again saints, Jesus said we shall never die.

It is very obvious that Jesus meant those faithful Christians will never die Spiritually. Humans do die physically and as the Bible says; we 'sleep' in the earth, until the great Day of Judgment for everyone.
Several verses proves this by saying the second death won't affect believers. They go with God into Eternity.
The second death which will happen to all unbelievers, is annihilation for Eternity.

 

[Earburner]

It is very obvious that Jesus meant those faithful Christians will never die Spiritually. Humans do die physically and as the Bible says; we 'sleep' in the earth, until the great Day of Judgment for everyone.
Several verses proves this by saying the second death won't affect believers. They go with God into Eternity.
The second death which will happen to all unbelievers, is annihilation for Eternity.

Prior to anyone who receives the Gift of the Holy Spirit, the vehicle of God's Eternal Life, no person has eternal existence of any kind. All are equal to the animals, having animal life of being living souls (nephesh- in Hebrew).
And we all know that animals do not live ever again after death. Compare Genesis 2:7 with Genesis 6:17 and Genesis 7:15, 22.

So why is it that all people, apart from the Gift of the Holy Spirit, do surely die?
Genesis 3[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
[23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
[24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
This is God's judgment of death against man.

The second judgment of God is Eternal life for man, but only for those who believe in Jesus.
All others REMAIN under the first judgment of death.
John 3:18

 

[Earburner]

Only one Second Coming. There are many comings of God to earth

You are persuaded to believe that, because of years and years of false teaching by pharisaical church-ianity. It's been pounded in our heads for so long, most cannot get to the true understanding.
KJV John 14[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

 

[Timtofly]

You are persuaded to believe that, because of years and years of false teaching by pharisaical church-ianity. It's been pounded in our heads for so long, most cannot get to the true understanding.
KJV John 14[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

No. There was one first coming. There will be one second coming. You can call whatever else you want a third, fourth, fifth, etc.. When it comes to eschatology, there is a first coming and a second coming.

 

[Earburner]

No. There was one first coming. There will be one second coming. You can call whatever else you want a third, fourth, fifth, etc.. When it comes to eschatology, there is a first coming and a second coming.

So, Jesus didn't personally come to Saul (Paul the Apostle), when he was on the road to Damascus?
He is the living example of the many ways of how God comes to us, since Pentecost.
Do you fully understand John 6:44-45 and Revelation 3:20?

 

[Earburner]

You said it:
Then you switch it up, and add a different type of coming.
I am not against either type. You limit it to 3 times, not me.
Only one Second Coming. There are many comings of God to earth.

I am not "switching anything up".
Yes, ever since Pentecost, the Holy Spirit of God the Father and Jesus, have been Coming to each of us, in every generation, knocking upon the door of our heart.
Will we answer the door of OUR residence of being (our fleshly "house") and INVITE Him in, or do we leave Him outside "knocking" until our DEATH?
IF WE die before we open up to Him, to come into our very being, we shall perish (be lost and then destroyed) for all eternity.
Don't forget that the loss of anyone, is also a loss to God the Father!

God's deepest desire is to LIVE WITHIN US. John 14:23.
2 Peter 3[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Therefore, by His coming to each of us now, ever since Pentecost, TO HIM it is the GREATEST of His three comings (being unobservable) Luke 17:20, for without His Holy Spirit living within us (before we die), we will be declared by Him as being "none of His", upon His Third and FINAL coming, in visible blazing fire. Romans 8:8-9, Ephesians 4:30.

"Ye MUST BE born again." And if not, you cannot enter into the KoG/KoH....EVER!
Therefore, for we who ARE Born again of His Holy Spirit, we now fully agree and understand Paul and Peter:
2 Corinthians 4[7] But we have this [His] treasure in earthen vessels [our mortal bodies], that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
2 Peter 1[4] Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

[ScottA]

Acts 1[9] And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
[10] And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
[11] Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Jesus ascended into heaven physically visible, and He shall descend from heaven physically visible.

Yes, and He went through locked doors, ate fish, etc., and the angels of God came and ate with Abraham and Sarah, but that does not mean that the flesh is glorified...but rather that the Spirit is made manifest at the will of God. It is not that God is made perfect by the flesh, but that mankind is made perfect by the Spirit. Nonetheless, flesh does not enter the kingdom of God.

But the greater point here for our times, is that Christ laid down His body giving it over to death which continues throughout the church age. This is His return in the flesh (which began at Pentecost--"not by observation"), as the church is His body and we follow Him in resurrection and also in His ascension--that is, we also become One in the perfect spirit of God, just as they are One and were One before the foundation of the world--before the creation of flesh made of the dust of the earth. According to His prayer:

John 17
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.

9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. 18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

24 “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”​

 

[Timtofly]

So, Jesus didn't personally come to Saul (Paul the Apostle), when he was on the road to Damascus?
He is the living example of the many ways of how God comes to us, since Pentecost.
Do you fully understand John 6:44-45 and Revelation 3:20?

You then accept a 4th coming. Great, now we have more than 3.

 

[Earburner]

You then accept a 4th coming. Great, now we have more than 3.

We are still in the days of Pentecost. Acts 2:16-21 (Joel 2:27-32, Joel 3:14).
When no more come in repentance towards God, He will send Jesus in His third and last coming.
No one but the Father knows of when that day shall be, therefore the Day of the Lord is [always] near [next to come] in [during] the valley of decision". Joel 3:14.
EDIT: "the valley of decision" began on Pentecost, which is the beginning of the Age of God's Grace to ALL people.
If at any time God perceives that people no longer repent towards Him through Jesus, God the Father will cut these days short in [His] righteousnes"
(Romans 9:28) and shall immediately send Jesus to come the Third and Final time for His saints.

 

[Earburner]

Yes, and He went through locked doors, ate fish, etc., and the angels of God came and ate with Abraham and Sarah, but that does not mean that the flesh is glorified...but rather that the Spirit is made manifest at the will of God. It is not that God is made perfect by the flesh, but that mankind is made perfect by the Spirit. Nonetheless, flesh does not enter the kingdom of God.

KJV 1 Corinthians 15[50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood [together] cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Jesus specifically described His resurrected body as a "New creature", being of flesh and bone, never mentioning blood, of which all of it was shed on the cross.
His New sustenance for Life, was now the Spirit of God, thus making Him to be both the son of man and God the Son. A New creation, with immortality, having the ability to be physical or spiritual at will.

 

[ScottA]

KJV 1 Corinthians 15[50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood [together] cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Jesus specifically described His resurrected body as a "New creature", being of flesh and bone, never mentioning blood, of which all of it was shed on the cross.
His New sustenance for Life, was now the Spirit of God, thus making Him to be both the son of man and God the Son. A New creation, with immortality, having the ability to be physical or spiritual at will.

No, but rather the life of the flesh is in the blood, and flesh and bone are of the elements of the earth, dust, to be dissolved with fervent heat and with fire.

On the contrary, it is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing.

 

[Earburner]

No, but rather the life of the flesh is in the blood, and flesh and bone are of the elements of the earth, dust, to be dissolved with fervent heat and with fire.

On the contrary, it is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing.

I don't know what Bible you are reading, but from all that I have seen, 1 Corinthians 15:50 says: "flesh and blood cannot inherit the KoG".
Even the JW-NWT doesn't step out of line with that.
Edit:
it is evident that you are not willing to accept the fact of Jesus' immortality, as being both resurrected flesh + bone + Spirit existence into NEW Life. He is the very first of a New immortal creation by God, capable of being physical and Spirit at will.