"willfully sin". : Hebrews 10

[Behold]

JW's version and viewpoint.
Try the spirits.

I spend most of my time on Forums highlighting deceiver's theology so that real Believers can see it.
Ive seen His already, as have you.
Other's need to become sensitive to "heresy", so, that is why i seemingly never stop talking about it..

And if Robert is a JW, then that explains why He believes that Hell is Temporary.

If Hell is Temporary, and is not the initial punishment for Christ Rejection, with the Lake of Fire to be the final ending.... then Christ didnt have to die for sin, as it would not matter if you were a sinner, if you died, and Hell is only a short time temporary situation.
RD is preaching some seriously demonic theology.

 

[Johann]

I spend most of my time on Forums highlighting deceiver's theology so that real Believers can see it.
Ive seen His already, as have you.
Other's need to become sensitive to "heresy", so, that is why i seemingly never stop talking about it..

And if Robert is a JW, then that explains why He believes that Hell is Temporary.

If Hell is Temporary, and is not the initial punishment for Christ Rejection, with the Lake of Fire to be the final ending.... then Christ didnt have to die for sin, as it would not matter if you were a sinner, if you died, and Hell was only a short time temporary situation.
RD is preaching some seriously demonic theology.

I hear you

 

[Robert Gwin]

Its your words that said that Paul's thorn in the Flesh was "His sin".

The bible does not say that..
The bible does not even suggest that.
The NT says that a "messenger from Satan" came to Paul which became a "thorn in his flesh".

A "thorn in Paul's flesh", is not Paul having sin issues.
This type of Thorn is what Jesus refers to when He said.>"in this world you shall have Tribulation".

If you have a bible, which i doubt, then when you look up the verse, which i doubt you've ever read, you'll discover for the 1st time that Paul prayed 3 times for God to take away this THORN.

So, that is not Paul confessing sin 3 times.

You should burn your commentary and get out of whatever "church" you belong to that has you deep into their deception.
Believe it.

A "thorn in the flesh" is a bad desire or something that tries to keep you from serving God wholeheartedly. We all have them, and satan is well aware of them, and will work to use them to turn us away from Jehovah sir. Not everyone has the same thorns Be.

 

[Behold]

A "thorn in the flesh" is a bad desire .

You do enjoy making up your own bible verses.

However, the NT says that a Messenger from Satan, came to Paul, tormenting Him.
3X Paul prayed about this, and never once did he confess a "sin", as Jesus has all his Sin, 2000 yrs ago, on the Cross..... as Paul Teaches...

"Jesus BECAME SIN"". As God made Him to be so... and Jesus knew no sin, Himself.
But He took all mine, and all of Paul's, and all of the worlds...
He'll take yours as well, if you do this... "the work of God is that you believe in Jesus....who God sent".

And water baptism, is not how you get that...

 

[Robert Gwin]

You do enjoy making up your own bible verses.

However, the NT says that a Messenger from Satan, came to Paul, tormenting Him.
3X Paul prayed about this, and never once did he confess a "sin", as Jesus has all his Sin, 2000 yrs ago, on the Cross..... as Paul Teaches...

"Jesus BECAME SIN"". As God made Him to be so... and Jesus knew no sin, Himself.
But He took all mine, and all of Paul's, and all of the worlds...
He'll take yours as well, if you do this... "the work of God is that you believe in Jesus....who God sent".

And water baptism, is not how you get that...

Might you reveal one of my made up verses sir. Why not keep focused on the topic? Prove to yourself if what I am saying has merit or not. The Bible is there for you to examine Be.

 

[Johann]

Might you reveal one of my made up verses sir. Why not keep focused on the topic? Prove to yourself if what I am saying has merit or not. The Bible is there for you to examine Be

The thorn

Pro_26:9 Like a thorn that goes into the hand of a drunkard Is a proverb in the mouth of fools.

Isa_55:13 Instead of the thorn shall come up the cypress tree, And instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree; And it shall be to the LORD for a name, For an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off."

Eze_28:24 "And there shall no longer be a pricking brier or a painful thorn for the house of Israel from among all who are around them, who despise them. Then they shall know that I am the Lord GOD."

Hos_10:8 Also the high places of Aven, the sin of Israel, Shall be destroyed. The thorn and thistle shall grow on their altars; They shall say to the mountains, "Cover us!" And to the hills, "Fall on us!"

Mic_7:4 The best of them is like a brier; The most upright is sharper than a thorn hedge; The day of your watchman and your punishment comes; Now shall be their perplexity.

 

[Behold]

Might you reveal one of my made up verses sir. Why not keep focused on the topic? Prove to yourself if what I am saying has merit or not. The Bible is there for you to examine Be.

How about the your odd idea that Paul's Thorn was "sin".

 

[quietthinker]

The issue is the monkey with the red face......don't think of it!
Focus on sin and sin will master you.....even when that focus is decrying sin or its pleasures, it makes no difference!

 

[quietthinker]

"willfully sin". :
It keeps the religious wheels turning!

 

[Robert Gwin]

The thorn

Pro_26:9 Like a thorn that goes into the hand of a drunkard Is a proverb in the mouth of fools.

Isa_55:13 Instead of the thorn shall come up the cypress tree, And instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree; And it shall be to the LORD for a name, For an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off."

Eze_28:24 "And there shall no longer be a pricking brier or a painful thorn for the house of Israel from among all who are around them, who despise them. Then they shall know that I am the Lord GOD."

Hos_10:8 Also the high places of Aven, the sin of Israel, Shall be destroyed. The thorn and thistle shall grow on their altars; They shall say to the mountains, "Cover us!" And to the hills, "Fall on us!"

Mic_7:4 The best of them is like a brier; The most upright is sharper than a thorn hedge; The day of your watchman and your punishment comes; Now shall be their perplexity.

I honestly believe you do not think Pauls thorn was a literal splinter. It is apparent you do not intend to reason on this point. Have a nice day sir.

 

[Behold]

IN the book of Hebrews, in chapters 6 and 10, we fine the Apostle Paul preaching the Gospel to a group of Christ Hating Jews ( Hebrews)
None of them are born again, as Paul does not preach the Cross to the born again, as there is no need.
But here, in Hebrews 6 and 10, and in Acts 28, we find Paul preaching the Gospel, which is "the Preaching of the CROSS" to a group of Christ Hating Jews. (Hebrews).
They are "willfully sinning".= by knowingly rejecting Christ. Paul severely warns them that when you reject Christ you "crucify him Afresh"
These Christ Hating Jews (Hebrews) willfully continue to Hate Jesus and willfully rejected their MESSIAH in the book of Hebrews, and also in Acts 28.
So, if you are born again, you are not them.
If you are not born again. If you are just water baptized and religious, then even tho you are not trying to reject Christ willfully, as did those HEBREWS......you are still not coming to Christ correctly, according to the will of God.. so, its the same end result.

 

[Robert Gwin]

How about the your odd idea that Paul's Thorn was "sin".

Only if he acted upon it Be. That was his point, he was plagued by it. Whatever it was, he felt it was hindering his service to God. It might have even been some sort of physical defect, which of course would have nothing to do with sin, but he did say he struggled with sin elsewhere.
(Romans 7:18-25) . . .For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, there dwells nothing good; for I have the desire to do what is fine but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good that I wish, but the bad that I do not wish is what I practice. 20 If, then, I do what I do not wish, I am no longer the one carrying it out, but it is the sin dwelling in me. 21 I find, then, this law in my case: When I wish to do what is right, what is bad is present with me. 22 I really delight in the law of God according to the man I am within, 23 but I see in my body another law warring against the law of my mind and leading me captive to sin’s law that is in my body. 24 Miserable man that I am! Who will rescue me from the body undergoing this death? 25 Thanks to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So, then, with my mind I myself am a slave to God’s law, but with my flesh to sin’s law.

Paul did say that thorn was from satan.

 

[Behold]

Only if he acted upon it Be..

Paul did 'act upon it".

He prayed 3x that God would take it away.
Paul never confessed sin 3 times.

So, you are obviously not using a Real blble.
= Burn your commentary, or your "book of Mormon" as it lies to you endlessly, and you have believed the lies.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

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Here are The other 3 Threads in this short series :

"Depart from me i never knew you". #1

"Endure to the END< ... #2

"dead faith".... #3


Reader,

This is the 4th Thread ive written in the last few days that deals with the most abused and repeated verse that heretics twist to try to cause you to not believe that Jesus keeps you saved.

See that?
That DECEIT.... is the defining line between someone who understands Philippians 1:6, that says that """GOD is faithful to complete your Salvation"""...and the heretic who is trying to do it for themselves, having "fallen from Grace" or they are simply water baptized and religious, and not saved at all.

Reader.... when you faith is correct, it will be very obvious to you that Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved.
Jesus..who saved you.......Keeps you saved.
God ... who saved you...KEEPS YOU SAVED.
But when you are deceived, you will fight that Truth and you will try to deny that Truth, and you will try to REPLACE that TRUTH with your "self saving LIST of "do's and don't do's, that you teach and believe" are how YOU KEEP YOURSELF SAVED.
And when you are that Broken Faith, you literally have NO FATIH in Jesus, as you believe that Jesus does NOT keep you saved, which proves that your faith in Christ is GONE, or was never there to begin with..

Ok, the most abused epistle in the NT, that heretics live in, is Hebrews.
See, all Heretics live in James, Matthew, and Hebrews. All of them.
Notice this..
They all use those 3 Letters by Apostles to try to Deny the Cross, and reject Eternal life, and teach you that you can lose your Salvation, or that its up to you to keep yourself saved.
And when you are that type of Believer, you have been deceived and your faith in Christ is BROKEN, and you'll think its not.
You will ACTUALLY believe, that trying to save yourself by works, self effort, or trying to keep yourself saved by commandment keeping is: ""how im trusting in Christ"". And truthfully, even a unbeliever can see how ridiculous and backwards is your thinking and your theology and your faith if you are that deceived person.
Paul, in Galatians, literally says that you are "BEWITCHED" to think that way about Salvation.
And he states "WHO... has bewitched you" that you "no longer obey the TRUTH".
And THAT is the Deceived RELIGIOUS STATE of everyone who believes they can "Lose their Salvation".

And let me tell you this also...
The Devil knows the bible, in a Legalist way, and he deceives using Legalism.
He puffs up your self righteousness and turns it against the Cross and the Grace of God.
He causes you to read verses in a carnally minded way, so that they teach you that YOU have the responsibility to get yourself to heaven, by WORKS, Enduring, Commandment keeping or Self Effort. And Satan teaches you that you can lose your salvation,.. by causing you to NOT BELIEVE that Jesus who saved you keeps you saved.
And his people, his "ministers" infect forums and build churches to try to prove that lie, and they have deceived millions.

Now....Look at this partial verse that heretics will BEAT YOU WITH, on every forum, and from thousands of Satanic Pulpits....
= """if you sin willfully, there remains no more sacrifice for your sin""".

See that? That is FALSE teaching SHOUTED by HERETICS...= that if the BORN AGAIN REJECT JESUS, who is the Sacrifice for ALL your SIN, then there is nothing left that can save you, or forgive your sin.
That is how the HERETICS teach this verse, so that its upside down and deceptive and is aimed to ruin your faith.

Now, If you reject the sacrifice of Christ, then you can't have it, not ever, as you have "willfully sinned" the unpardonable sin.
So, the only people who are doing that are UNBELIEVERS. John 3:36
They, the UNBELIEVERS..... have rejected being Saved., reader,..... and that is what Paul is dealing with in Hebrews Chapter 6, and Chapter 10.
He is preaching the Gospel to Christ Rejecting HEBREWS, and these unsaved JEWs are rejecting their Messiah in the verse, and similar... The are "trodding underfoot the blood of Jesus".. They , these Christ Rejecting Hebrews, in the epistle to the HEBREWS.... are "crucifying Christ Afresh", as that is the sin of CHRIST REJECTION.
So, this is not a born again believer in this verse that Paul is dealing with.., as the born again have already accepted Jesus, which is why you become a BORN AGAIN Christian.. A "New Creation in Christ", and a "SON/Daughter of God".

Now, when you here the Heretics ranting about.. "this is written to the Born again", as heretics live on forums to try to ruin your faith, and cause you to believe that you can lose your salvation.
That is their "ministry".
So, when they do, or before they do, ... you need to read Acts Chapter 28... the last 10 verses, as Paul is again dealing with these SAME Christ Rejecting JEWS (Hebrews).
And if you will study that for 3 mins you can then understand clearly that its the same CHRIST REJECTING JEWs... = situation in Hebrews 10:26 and also in Hebrews Chapter 6.

Reader......Thats a fact for you to "study" and "rightly divide".
And if you dont, you can be misled and deceived all your life regarding your understanding of the Cross of Christ and the Blood of Jesus and the Grace of God, and end up a ranting heretic who thinks that a few verses in Hebrews, written to UNBELIEVING Christ Rejecting JEWS.... are written to you.
The Heretics will always TWIST these verses in Hebrews to try to deceive you over and over and over., as well as a couple of verses in James and a couple in Matthew.
It's their ministry of deception, and they are always trying to ruin your faith with those verse in those 3 Epistles.
Notice who they are, and protect yourself.

It is truly sad that so many believers read this as a verse saying you can lose your salvation. They do so because they forget the context in which this verse was written in, who it was written to, why it was written and not doing a study of th ehistory when this epistle was written and doing in depth word studies of the words used that sound so condemning!

If one does all this, they learn what the writer was warning about.

It was Jews who were felloshipping with believers, heard the gospel were deciding on accepting Jesus as Messiah. However many went away due to the intense persecution of jews against Jewish believers.

So they heard the truth, undeerstood the truth, got a taste of the joy the truth brings, but because of the intnese pressure of Jewish persecution went back to teh Law. For them theyre was no hope. For the Judgment of the unpardonable sin wasd but a few years away against Israel (the destruction of the temple and death of 1.1 million Jews).

 

[Behold]

It is truly sad that so many believers read this as a verse saying you can lose your salvation.

Ronald.

Over the many years i have dealt with people who have broken faith, including visiting people who are in "mental health clinics", i discovered that the DEVIL beats hardest with Hebrews 6 and 10.
He will destroy a person's faith, and mind, with the book of Hebrews.

What most believers dont know and understand, is that the Bible is a Bear Trap. It has the power to divide soul from spirit and joints from marrow.
The Bible , the HOLY Bible is A LIVING SPIRITUAL POWER, and it can tear your head off....right into insanity, if you get in there and the devil takes you to certain verses that will truly harm you if you wrongly divide them.. as he shows you how to do it.
Mental Health professionals, will attest to having dealt with many who are "suicidal" because they went into the Book of Hebrews, as a baby believer, or even not being born again, and read..>"if we sin willfully there remaineth no more sacrifice for SIN".

And they thought....."Omg< i have sinned many times "willfully"......OMG, OMG, OMG< i have LOST MY SALVATION< i am going to HELL">.!!!!

See that?
That is how the DEVIL will use a verse against someone, to trick them, trap them, and harm their mind.....even break it, with HEBREWS....this one Epistle.

This is why i teach a lot about it, in posts, Threads.
Ive seen what this Epistle, and those few verses can do.
Ive heard people dying, who are born again, panic stricken, believing that they are going to HELL< because the DEVIL got into their HEAD with HEBREWS Chapter 6 and 10.

You can't play with the word of God.
Its too powerful. Its too revealing.. Its sharper then a two-edged SWORD, and that is The TRUTH.

 

[Webers_Home]

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The letter to Hebrews was addressed to Jews (Heb 1:1) When outsiders
attempt to christianize the letter, they get themselves confused; for
example;

• Heb 10:26-28 . . If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received
the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful
expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of
God.

The pronoun "we" in that passage refers to the target of the letter, i.e. Jews.

Among the Jews; a knowledge of the truth speaks of the covenant that
Moses' people entered into with God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy.

There are many sins for which the covenant permits neither ransom nor
pardon; but not every Jew commits them. However, every Jew does
eventually commit deliberate sins. Their Levitical system has absolutely
no atonements in its catalogue for sins in that category.

• Num 15:27-31 . . And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring
a she goat of the first year for a sin offering. And the priest shall make an
atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by
ignorance before The Lord, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be
forgiven him.

. . .Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for
him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that
sojourneth among them.

. . . But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in
the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth The Lord; and that soul shall
be cut off from among his people. Because he hath despised the word of The
Lord, and hath broken His commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off;
his iniquity shall be upon him.

The "stranger" in that verse pertains to resident aliens. In other words:
the covenant is supposed to be the law of the land in the State of Israel,
but I doubt it's being enforced these days.
_

 

[Robert Gwin]

Paul did 'act upon it".

He prayed 3x that God would take it away.
Paul never confessed sin 3 times.

So, you are obviously not using a Real blble.
= Burn your commentary, or your "book of Mormon" as it lies to you endlessly, and you have believed the lies.

Again, a thorn in the flesh is not sin, it is something that hinders your service to Jehovah. All people use versions of the Bible sir, there is no such thing as a real Bible, but you believe what you want. I wish I could find 1 page of the real Bible sir, I could retire from retirement even.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ronald.

Over the many years i have dealt with people who have broken faith, including visiting people who are in "mental health clinics", i discovered that the DEVIL beats hardest with Hebrews 6 and 10.
He will destroy a person's faith, and mind, with the book of Hebrews.

What most believers dont know and understand, is that the Bible is a Bear Trap. It has the power to divide soul from spirit and joints from marrow.
The Bible , the HOLY Bible is A LIVING SPIRITUAL POWER, and it can tear your head off....right into insanity, if you get in there and the devil takes you to certain verses that will truly harm you if you wrongly divide them.. as he shows you how to do it.
Mental Health professionals, will attest to having dealt with many who are "suicidal" because they went into the Book of Hebrews, as a baby believer, or even not being born again, and read..>"if we sin willfully there remaineth no more sacrifice for SIN".

And they thought....."Omg< i have sinned many times "willfully"......OMG, OMG, OMG< i have LOST MY SALVATION< i am going to HELL">.!!!!

See that?
That is how the DEVIL will use a verse against someone, to trick them, trap them, and harm their mind.....even break it, with HEBREWS....this one Epistle.

This is why i teach a lot about it, in posts, Threads.
Ive seen what this Epistle, and those few verses can do.
Ive heard people dying, who are born again, panic stricken, believing that they are going to HELL< because the DEVIL got into their HEAD with HEBREWS Chapter 6 and 10.

You can't play with the word of God.
Its too powerful. Its too revealing.. Its sharper then a two-edged SWORD, and that is The TRUTH.

In recent years I have taught all my students in bible Institute to not sit in if they are not serious. for once they hear the Word of God they become responsible to the Word and its commands.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

the DEVIL beats hardest with Hebrews 6 and 10.

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them who fell, severity; but towards thee, goodness, if thou shalt continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:22)

You hate the severity of Hebrews 6 and 10.

“They hate him that rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly.” (Amos 5:10)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them who fell, severity; but towards thee, goodness, if thou shalt continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:22)

You hate the severity of Hebrews 6 and 10.

“They hate him that rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly.” (Amos 5:10)

YOu suck at reading minds. Just thought I would let you know!